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Royal is the easiest class because of mana regen and ranged attack at the beginning.
If you play on Asia server, the higher level people won't be able to disturb you. But I heard you may get more invasions by players in the same level range as yourself. You may also get free drops by other experienced players.
Starting with a new server like everyone else may be more fun though. inefficient may have more input since he's on the Japanese server.
http://kotaku.com/5575189/demons-souls-actually-selling-in-europe
Demon's Souls has only just come out in Europe, after an agonising delay. If you thought the wait would mean most of the target audience would have imported and passed on the local release, though, you're dead wrong.
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the game has debuted on the British charts in seventh place, an incredible achievement considering its niche appeal.
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Thank you, UK gamers. If you were in PS Home, I'd probably take some time to shake your hands. :-P
nightshade
01-Jul-2010, 07:23
I started as a thief just cause my character looked the best with the thief outfit :p
In this game, agility is better than armor. I think thief is easier than knight. Your choice is good.
Ranged attack is also extremely important. You might want to look for a bow. There is one on the first level castle bridge somewhere.
Sigfried1977
01-Jul-2010, 14:12
Royal is the best starting class. Royal starts off with the Fragnant ring that gives mana regen, silver catalyst that gives +20% max mana and the cirlcet which gives you another +20% max mana. All very helpful early in the game because you also start off with the soul arrow spell.
The royal also starts off at soul level ,1 which means you can shape the character to your liking earlier than the others.
In general the base class in DS is rather meaningless though.
i nerini del buio
01-Jul-2010, 15:29
I started as a thief just cause my character looked the best with the thief outfit :p
I did that too! Love the shady look of the thief with some livid bags under the eyes.
But then I got my ass kicked and switched to a more powerful Knight :lol:
nightshade
01-Jul-2010, 15:53
Well considering that in this game you can develop any attribute as you like I think I'd prefer going with the one with the best cosmetic attributes :) . Sure playing a thief would be tougher than playing a Royal but I'm doing relatively fine till now. The worst parts are unexpected events. For example I was maybe at the midway of level 1-1 & then I entered a room only to get blasted to death. A few seconds later I realized that there were couple of drums with explosives lying inside the room right beside the door (which I couldn't see from outside) & as soon as I entered the room an undead used a firebomb on me resulting in the drums to explode.... DEAD ! (again)
Sigfried1977
01-Jul-2010, 16:45
Well, the cosmetic attributes are identical as well. You can obtain the thief's starting gear relatively early on.
I started with a thief as well, by the way.
nightshade
01-Jul-2010, 17:05
is there any gameplay difference between the EU ver & asian ver ?
Billy Idol
01-Jul-2010, 17:22
damn, just bought this damn game...was on my list like forever...I hope I play it more than 5 minutes though!!
just realized that I got a neat ultimate phantom edition (only costed 55 Euros??): includig a strategy guide - I hope this helps a little...
Sigfried1977
01-Jul-2010, 17:34
is there any gameplay difference between the EU ver & asian ver ?
Some gameplay "oddities" remain unpatched in the Asian release of the game (on purpose I assume, because the gamers have gotten used to them). As far as I know this has been addressed in the US version, which was most likely the basis for the EU version.
In the Asian version you can defeat the final boss by sneaking up behind him and casting a death cloud spell (or was it poison cloud? Not so sure anymore) Than hide in a corner and make a sandwich, or go showering or do whatever you want to kill 10 minutes. It's completely safe.
One of the toughest bosses in the game can at least be partially defeated without ever entering the fight because there's a spot were you can shoot arrows through a barrier right into his face. The dude will just sit there and take it.
This basically takes care of the 2 toughest encounters in the game.
Cornsnake
01-Jul-2010, 18:52
I finally got the game. I started out as a knight. I hate the healing items use with the square button because I keep falling back into a God of War mindset, press square for quick attack. Now I'm just wasting precious healing items, even at full health, and leaving myself vulnerable to attacks.
The Black Phantom edition is nice. It has a 156 page strategy guide, a cool little artbook, and the soundtrack.
Bring me more Demon Souls!
In the Asian version you can defeat the final boss by sneaking up behind him and casting a death cloud spell (or was it poison cloud? Not so sure anymore) Than hide in a corner and make a sandwich, or go showering or do whatever you want to kill 10 minutes. It's completely safe.
I'm on the US server. That's exactly what I did after he sucked one level out of me. I'd call it a (cruise control) feature, not a bug. :cool:
...because I keep falling back into a God of War mindset
:lol2: GoW3 and DS are the exact opposite of each other. In DS, you'll need to focus 100%, don't panic or make rash moves. Sometimes, walking backwards slowly is better than rolling, even when attacked by fast ememies.
Sigfried1977
01-Jul-2010, 23:24
I'm on the US server. That's exactly what I did after he sucked one level out of me. I'd call it a (cruise control) feature, not a bug. :cool:
Aha, so it's still possible. Interesting. Care to try cheap shooting the other boss, Maneater, I mentioned?
I beat Maneater fair and square !
Warding and Fire spells + Melee saved my skin.
Sigfried1977
02-Jul-2010, 00:08
Wait until you face him in new game+:twisted:
I already did. :twisted:
I over-levelled in 4-* bullying skeleton warriors and farming moon stones (I think). Brisked through New Game+ until 1-3 and 1-4.
Billy Idol
02-Jul-2010, 10:11
Played some hours yesterday...
first impression: graphics shock...it shows that this is a rather old game. So first step: ignore the graphics (this game even has a lot of framerate problems)!
I used the strategy guide and start playing...finished chapter 1-1, got the sword in 4-1 (silver skeletons are idiots!!) and finished chapter 2-1.
Did not die once in the first view hours...thought it was easy (I think you guys mentioned it already: royal class is cool!!)...until reaching the silver skeletons, where I died like a hundred times!!
so far, the gameplay is the best about this game: fighting is well made, although I sometimes get in troubles due to camera (especially when I am locked on an enemy). I love the counter attack with L2...this is super cool, I have to admit.
regarding the game: for my taste it is a little bit to complex, and the game does no attempts to explain stuff properly (at this point: thanks strategy guide for some help, but some stuff is curious too!):
can someone for instance please explain me, why the strategy guide insists on this: after each demon, I should kill myself...this is a little bit annoying, as I am loosing my body, which decreases my hit points bar!? why is this important?!
regarding the story: err..is there even one?
audio-visuell....for me the game is very "muted"! graphics style is rather dark, which is maybe the best thing about graphics, sound+music...can't really remember if there is any, except the sound of the dragon flapping!
so far, I think the game is solid and I will play some more to see a little bit more of boletaria...
one question regarding online play: is there an advantage when I play online? when I play offline...do I get the hints on the floor, or is this online only?
can someone for instance please explain me, why the strategy guide insists on this: after each demon, I should kill myself...this is a little bit annoying, as I am loosing my body, which decreases my hit points bar!? why is this important?!
You do more damage in soul form and no one can invade your world.
one question regarding online play: is there an advantage when I play online? when I play offline...do I get the hints on the floor, or is this online only?
The hints are left on the floor by other online players (and aren't saved to your game or anything). Some are silly or traps but most can be helpful (especially in places where you're unsure if falls will kill you), and the bloodstains can be helpful too. Be sure to leave a hint yourself when you find something interesting (I think it's the select button, you get healed if someone recommends yours). As long as you're in soul form online play is beneficial.
Other players invading you world can still be fun though...as long as you haven't just completed the whole map and are about to fight the boss.
Billy Idol
02-Jul-2010, 10:44
You do more damage in soul form and no one can invade your world.
The hints are left on the floor by other online players (and aren't saved to your game or anything). Some are silly or traps but most can be helpful (especially in places where you're unsure if falls will kill you), and the bloodstains can be helpful too. Be sure to leave a hint yourself when you find something interesting (I think it's the select button, you get healed if someone recommends yours). As long as you're in soul form online play is beneficial.
Other players invading you world can still be fun though...as long as you haven't just completed the whole map and are about to fight the boss.
thanks a lot for the explanation!
how can I recommend a message?
I think it's the select button again, but while you're on top of a hint. I haven't played online in a while :)
Sigfried1977
02-Jul-2010, 10:58
I already did. :twisted:
I over-levelled in 4-* bullying skeleton warriors and farming moon stones (I think). Brisked through New Game+ until 1-3 and 1-4.
Nice. The character I built seems horribly ill-suited for that fight. Archery and spears are my primary means of attack. Great for regular enemies and most bosses because I generally enjoy a range advantage at the cost of a lower damage output, but this guy is too fast and too strong.
I hated that fight because one of them kept getting stuck under the bridge :evil:
Cornsnake
02-Jul-2010, 15:37
:lol2: GoW3 and DS are the exact opposite of each other. In DS, you'll need to focus 100%, don't panic or make rash moves. Sometimes, walking backwards slowly is better than rolling, even when attacked by fast ememies.
It's only the square button that's the problem, all that GoW playing has me conditioned into thinking it's for hitting things. The rest of the combat is fine, it seems to be mostly about figuring out the weaknesses in every type of enemies attack pattern.
Since this game doesn't bother to explain itself I have a question. How do you jump? A message on the floor informed me I should jump down, but I can't seem to, while I see ghosts that can.
Sigfried1977
02-Jul-2010, 16:03
You can roll, sprint and hop backwards with the circle-button, but you can't jump.
I used the strategy guide and start playing...finished chapter 1-1, got the sword in 4-1 (silver skeletons are idiots!!) and finished chapter 2-1.
How to play Demon's Souls
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Step 1. Hide the strategy guide. Use it only to figure out the weapons and spells you have access to, and how to upgrade.
For extra help, this is all you need:
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... and summon Blue Phantom freely. Get a ranged weapon unless you really want to melee everything at your own risk. It should be obvious by now that some enemies are way too powerful for close encounter (e.g., The red and blue dragons).
royal class is cool!!)...until reaching the silver skeletons, where I died like a hundred times!!
so far, the gameplay is the best about this game: fighting is well made, although I sometimes get in troubles due to camera (especially when I am locked on an enemy). I love the counter attack with L2...this is super cool, I have to admit.
Yeah... because of the strategy guide, you're missing one of the real draws of the game. It is very good at setting up an unknown hostile world around you. Should try to explore on your own. e.g., See those treasures around the dragons. How far can you get ?
regarding the game: for my taste it is a little bit to complex, and the game does no attempts to explain stuff properly (at this point: thanks strategy guide for some help, but some stuff is curious too!):
That's how it rolls.
can someone for instance please explain me, why the strategy guide insists on this: after each demon, I should kill myself...this is a little bit annoying, as I am loosing my body, which decreases my hit points bar!? why is this important?!
Google for "World Tendency". I forgot how it works. :lol: Will try to remember later.
regarding the story: err..is there even one?
Yap, take good care of your NPCs. If you hit them accidentally, they will remain hostile throughout the entire game. Be suspicious of them too. This is not a cookie cutter RPG.
Cornsnake
02-Jul-2010, 16:31
You can roll, sprint and hop backwards with the circle-button, but you can't jump.
I just found what I was looking for in the game manual. Pushing into a small wall lets you climb up on it. That should get me where I wanted to go.Though I'm pretty sure I tried that.
I just found what I was looking for in the game manual. Pushing into a small wall lets you climb up on it. That should get me where I wanted to go.Though I'm pretty sure I tried that.
Yes, the climb up a ledge action is not very reliable. You have to try a few times.
The first time I did this was when I dropped into a new area from a ledge in 4-1. I panic'ed because I couldn't come back up and had to go forward (Had too much souls to risk dying). The game is mean like that.
When I finally died in the new area [ha ha], I went to find out how to cast a spell to go back to the Nexus. It's very helpful.
EDIT: I just remember something. In Demon's Souls, your agility depends on your weight. You can also check to see if it's easier to climb up a ledge when you lose your armor and payload. I did the experiment but can't recall the result anymore. :)
Sigfried1977
02-Jul-2010, 18:55
Agility depends on the weight of the equipmet on your body to be more specific (including weapons), not on the weight you are carrying in total (the two also have separate stats. Wouldn't make things too easy now would we). If you keep your equipped weight under 50% you are really fast, recover stamina more quickly and can dodge and roll without much of a penalty. If you go over 50% you will still be reasonably mobile, but noticeably more sluggish and easier to stagger. If you go over 100% you can still move, but you won't be able to roll anymore. If you try it regardless, you actually get penalized with a brief stun (that usually lasts just long enough to get you killed)
According to Atlus or some official source, you run faster without armor also -- great for outrunning danger. And most importantly, you walk quieter without metal armor. ;-)
findhorn_elves
03-Jul-2010, 06:06
Sad i don't have PS3 /cry
Find a friend who has a PS3. Be nice to him. ^_^
Billy Idol
03-Jul-2010, 11:42
Man, I tried yesterday world 2-2:
Did the platforming stuff and fall down, luckily...I did not die, but then has to travel through some caves with weired lava beast..after an hour or so, I finally see the day of light, but still getting stucked in a weired part of the game where this damn Patches (or what he is called) tried to trick me!
I have now over 11,000 souls and don't know where to go, or how I can get back to Nexus..knowing that a single blow could kill me, I am afraid of leaving my souls in a part of the world which I will never find again :lol::lol::lol:
Knowing that there are no intermediate save points (as this game mechanic is part of the game) I can see now, that this game *could* get frustrating :mrgreen:
Hope you didn't attack patches - he sells you items back in the Nexus.
Beware that the boss of 2-2 is one of the hardest of the game ;)
nightshade
03-Jul-2010, 14:33
This....is an addictive game :)
Man, I tried yesterday world 2-2:
Did the platforming stuff and fall down, luckily...I did not die, but then has to travel through some caves with weired lava beast..after an hour or so, I finally see the day of light, but still getting stucked in a weired part of the game where this damn Patches (or what he is called) tried to trick me!
I have now over 11,000 souls and don't know where to go, or how I can get back to Nexus..knowing that a single blow could kill me, I am afraid of leaving my souls in a part of the world which I will never find again :lol::lol::lol:
Knowing that there are no intermediate save points (as this game mechanic is part of the game) I can see now, that this game *could* get frustrating :mrgreen:
Wait a minute, are you still with Patches ? You can walk back to the Nexus. It's not far away. You're near the starting point where you fell off the wooden platform. Hope your character hasn't died yet. :twisted:
Did you find the "treasure" in the 2-2 cave ?
Ha ha, you'll get used to dying. Be careful. Take things step by step. Run if necessary. If you die, take the left turn when you're at the junction with the exploding carts. Don't go down the elevator and continue in the same direction as before you took the elevator (bash through the blocked tunnel). There is at least one powerful enemy along the way but you should be able to use the terrain to your advantage.
EDIT: This....is an addictive game :)
I told you~~
Cornsnake
03-Jul-2010, 22:50
I'm loving this game. It feels great killing off tons of enemies without taking a single hit after they've made your life difficult on the previous attempts.
I've just killed the first boss and got my body back. But lost it again soon after I did some exploring of the first level. I found half a tank worth of armour, it's a shame I can't use it yet because it overburdens me. And looking at the amount, that won't be any time soon.
Billy Idol
04-Jul-2010, 07:59
Wait a minute, are you still with Patches ? You can walk back to the Nexus. It's not far away. You're near the starting point where you fell off the wooden platform. Hope your character hasn't died yet. :twisted:
Did you find the "treasure" in the 2-2 cave ?
Ha ha, you'll get used to dying. Be careful. Take things step by step. Run if necessary. If you die, take the left turn when you're at the junction with the exploding carts. Don't go down the elevator and continue in the same direction as before you took the elevator (bash through the blocked tunnel). There is at least one powerful enemy along the way but you should be able to use the terrain to your advantage.
EDIT:
I told you~~
thanks for the hint Patsu...you were right: I just took the elevator and got back to Nexus with all my Souls. First thing I did: I bought this miracle which brings you back to Nexus. My problem is, this miracle won't work? I choose it with digi cross up but the icon is dark, when I try to summon it, does nothing?! How does this work?
Afterwards, I tried the climbing again and got down to the ground, where I meet Flamelurker. Tried him 5 times..how can I summon one to help me?? How does this work?
thanks for the hint Patsu...you were right: I just took the elevator and got back to Nexus with all my Souls. First thing I did: I bought this miracle which brings you back to Nexus. My problem is, this miracle won't work? I choose it with digi cross up but the icon is dark, when I try to summon it, does nothing?! How does this work?
I think you need a Talisman to cast miracles. You'll need sufficient faith. Check your guide. :)
Afterwards, I tried the climbing again and got down to the ground, where I meet Flamelurker. Tried him 5 times..how can I summon one to help me?? How does this work?
To beat Flamelurker alone....
you may need the Purple Flame Shield and the ring of fire resistance. Then soul arrow him to death.
Keep your distance like him:
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To summon Blue Phantoms, I think most of them drop their stones near the boss entrance or right after the Archstone.
You'll see "holograms" of these phantoms. Pick one that you like.
nightshade
04-Jul-2010, 08:34
I think that to summon someone you need to be in Body form & the person getting summoned should be in soul form. Once you meet the condition all you have to do is use the Blue stone (ie. if you are the soul) & the other person uses the mark on the floor to summon you.
Be wary though death means you get back to your summon point & get disconnected from your friend's gameworld.
I think that to summon someone you need to be in Body form & the person getting summoned should be in soul form. Once you meet the condition all you have to do is use the Blue stone (ie. if you are the soul) & the other person uses the mark on the floor to summon you.
That is correct !
If necessary, you can use one of the items to return yourself to body form.
Billy Idol
04-Jul-2010, 08:50
Thanks a lot guys!!
BTW, do you guys know if the save data of this game can be transfered to another playstation...or is it locked?
No, it cannot be copied to another PS3 via a USB drive (Well we can but it won't work). Back it up using the backup or PS3 transfer tool.
nightshade
04-Jul-2010, 08:55
How much do those things that bring you back to body form cost ?
And what are the advantages of Body form beside health ?
Final question...What's World Tendency ?
Btw I was playing the game & killed a boss got loads of souls but instead of getting back to nexus I continued playing & summoned two guys, further down the level I got killed by a Red Phantom (Why do people want to kill me :roll: ) .....& I lost all my souls :(
How much do those things that bring you back to body form cost ?
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/stone-of-ephemeral-eyes-farming
And what are the advantages of Body form beside health ?
Soul form deals more damage, has less health but is free from invasion.
Final question...What's World Tendency ?
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/world-tendency
Btw I was playing the game & killed a boss got loads of souls bu tinstead of getting back to nexus I continued playing, further down the level I got killed by a Red Phantom (Why do people want to kill me :roll: ) .....& I lost all my souls :(
Ha ha, I was about to write about Black Phantom invasion. It was a nerve wrecking experience for me the first time. My heart was racing. If you are prepared to fight, you should be able to win most of the time.
EDIT:
Billy Idol, did you find the weapon in the 2-2 cave system ?
There is another special weapon outside Flamelurker's lair but it's easy to get to. The one in the cave system is better hidden.
Cornsnake
04-Jul-2010, 10:44
Is there a particular order you must complete each world in? Or at least a preferable order to take? I'm getting killed a lot running between the towers after the Phalanx fight. I checked the guide, but that is written for playing the Royal class. My knight can't do some of the things it suggests.
nightshade
04-Jul-2010, 11:16
Is there a particular order you must complete each world in? Or at least a preferable order to take? I'm getting killed a lot running between the towers after the Phalanx fight. I checked the guide, but that is written for playing the Royal class. My knight can't do some of the things it suggests.
You have to time your runs, start running as soon as the Dragon flies over your head, also it'll help a lot if you remove some of your armor. This way you get improved agility/endurance.
But then at the end of third bridge section you have a lot of guys waiting for you...good thing is that you'll have quite a bit of room to fight as the area of effect of Dragon's breath ends a good few meters before the entrance to the third tower of the bridge.
Cornsnake
04-Jul-2010, 11:37
You have to time your runs, start running as soon as the Dragon flies over your head, also it'll help a lot if you remove some of your armor. This way you get improved agility/endurance.
But then at the end of third bridge section you have a lot of guys waiting for you...good thing is that you'll have quite a bit of room to fight as the area of effect of Dragon's breath ends a good few meters before the entrance to the third tower of the bridge.
That is as far as I managed to get. At the third tower with 4 archers and the 2 blue knights. Last time one of the archers ran back to shoot me from a distance, while I was still fighting the blue knight. Individually they won't be a problem, but with this many I run out stamina too fast, leaving me defenceless.
There is a short bow at the top of the first tower (right after the swooping dragon). You can use it to clear nuisances from far first. Take your time to wear enemies down. Most do not know how to heal themselves. You have to spend souls on arrows though, which is why Royal is easy since he has regen mana and mana is free.
Playing as Knight is difficult because his armor weight made stamina management more strict, and he has no starting ranged attack. Hopefully the short bow will help. You can get a compound long bow in 4-1. You need to kill a few skeleton warriors to get to it. It may be scary to fight the skeleton warriors at first. But if you complete the game as a knight, you should give yourself a good pat in the back. It is no easy feat both skills-wise, focus and mental strength. Good thing Demon's Souls doesn't restrict your growth, you can tailor your character anyway you want.
Most guide recommends you to start as Royal. The Crescent Falchion at the beginning of 4-1 will have increased damage boosted by your mana pool (but doesn't use it up). Some people will recommend you to go 4-1 right after 1-1. Since you don't have any mana, you can try all the *-1 to see which one is easier for you.
Personally I like to train in 4-1 because if you can handle the skeleton warriors, you can handle most regular critters. 2-1 is not bad too. IMHO, 5-1 is the toughest starting level, and 3-1 is the most interesting (but you probably need ranged attack).
The end of the beginner video above illustrates a skeleton warrior's attack techniques very well (The foot soldier skeleton moves a lot faster because it can roll). If you lock-on to one and retreat as it rolls towards you (Keep your shield up), you should be able to survive the attack, and kill him when he runs out of move. They are susceptible to fire and blunt weapons (e.g., club, falchion). Timing of attack is important.
The compound long bow is at the top of the castle wall where you see the 2 skeleton archers. [Wait, I might have gotten it wrong. It may be on the lower tower where only 1 archer is standing, right behind the 2 archers]. It is not far from the archstone (You need to kill about 7 9-10 skeletons). Be careful of booby traps along the way (You can see them. Keep your shield up and lean against the wall, or if you're fast enough, run !). You'll want to upgrade it eventually to a Sticky Compound Long Bow + 5. This is the most powerful bow in the game.
Stay away from strong enemies or run past it. If you see the dual katana black skeleton, he's guarding the magical falchion. Lure him out and rush for the treasure behind him. Take it and jump down the cliff (It's safe). You may want to leave your armor somewhere safe before you do this so you can run and roll faster.
1-2 is good too, but the 1-2 boss is intimidating for a melee warrior. 2-1 boss is safe if you have ranged attack, but close up fight is also intimidating.
EDIT: If you don't want to spend too much skill points on magic-related attributes, you can find other enhanced weapons in the game. You should be able to complete the game with just the bow and a melee weapon, plus some basic points for Faith (healing, retreat to Nexus). There is a dragon sword (fire damage) in the 2-2 cave. Or you convert some boss' spirit into a special weapon, or you can make your own weapon. The guide will help here.
Billy Idol
04-Jul-2010, 18:41
Summoning did not work...although I had my body, the blue stone did not activate.
So I went ahead and killed dirty Flamelurker myself :mrgreen:
And then I proceed and finished the boss in 2-3 ...
Ha ha, wow... you're on a roll. You should revisit 2-3 when the World Tendency is pure white. One of the most powerful melee weapons is there.
Cornsnake
04-Jul-2010, 19:13
@ Patsu. Thanks for the tips. I have the compound long bow now. :razz:
Until now I have been spending all my souls on increasing my strength, and upgrading weapons. This allowed me to kill some of the stronger opponents quickly and without getting killed as long as I could block or dodge their attacks. Works well against those skeleton warriors and that red knight in the 1-1 level. That compound long bow should be a great addition every time I'm forced to use range attacks.
4-1 is pretty good for collecting souls, and 2-1 is good for finding the stones necessary for upgrading weapons.
4-1 is pretty good for collecting souls, and 2-1 is good for finding the stones necessary for upgrading weapons.
Yap ! From now on, I think you may want to look out for Crystal Lizards. The stones for Sticky Compound Long Bow can be found in 2-1 and 2-2. In the entire game, only one Crystal Lizard will drop the complete Spiderstone. It is in 2-1 or 2-2. You should read the guide to find out which one it is. They only appear a limited number of time.
Agree that 4-* is great for farming. I believe bow requires Dexterity (and Sticky Compound Long Bow scales with Dexterity).
Cornsnake
04-Jul-2010, 21:21
Yap ! From now on, I think you may want to look out for Crystal Lizards. The stones for Sticky Compound Long Bow can be found in 2-1 and 2-2. In the entire game, only one Crystal Lizard will drop the complete Spiderstone. It is in 2-1 or 2-2. You should read the guide to find out which one it is. They only appear a limited number of time.
Agree that 4-* is great for farming. I believe bow requires Dexterity (and Sticky Compound Long Bow scales with Dexterity).
22 for Strenght and 12 for Dexterity. Which I now have thanks to the souls I got from beaten that boss. :razz:
The bow should make hunting those lizards a lot easier. Before they would always run away as soon as I got close.
It looks like all of you are well on your way to complete the game. I should keep quiet now. Already spoiled too much. :P
nightshade
05-Jul-2010, 14:42
Got killed by a Red Phantom (player) again, I don't even stand a chance against these guys they always one hit kill me...wtf !
Gradthrawn
05-Jul-2010, 14:53
Got killed by a Red Phantom (player) again, I don't even stand a chance against these guys they always one hit kill me...wtf !
Have I told you about the online elements? At any time when you’re in Body form, another player from anywhere else in the world can invade your game and murder you to regain his own body, or just to keep you on your toes. This happens when you’re in the middle of fighting armies of unthinkable monsters that are probably already three-quarters of the way towards killing you. And no, you cannot opt out of this feature! This is what you signed up for when you agreed to be a man.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Probably the funniest "overview" (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/acz2t/let_me_tell_you_about_demons_souls/?all=true) of Demon's Souls I've seen. This quote is priceless:
I’ll tell you what happens in Demon’s Souls when you die. You come back as a ghost with your health capped at half. And when you keep on dying, the alignment of the world turns black and the enemies get harder. That’s right, when you fail in this game, it gets harder. Why? Because fuck you is why.
nightshade, which server are you running on ? And what's your character level ?
Are the Red Phantoms using long weapons or special weapons like Meat Cleaver, Dragon Bone Smasher ? They should not be able to one hit kill you.
nightshade
05-Jul-2010, 18:45
Asian...I'm a lvl 21 character now & I think I need to slay an archdemon to go to 1-3, so I'm on my way to defeat the armored spider.
Think I must've played around 8-9 hours (could be 10 as well, didn't check)....so I guess I'm slow.
Asian
Oh... must have encountered expert P2P DS player then. :-P
The Asian players have the most experiences. May be your only choice is to summon Blue Phantoms to help keep an eye for you, or suicide to stay in soul form. You character is either at very high level, or is starting out ?
EDIT:
Think I must've played around 8-9 hours (could be 10 as well, didn't check)....so I guess I'm slow.
I see. You're not slow. I took a long time too. ;-)
Armor Spider is cool, but freaking dangerous.
the funniest "overview" (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/acz2t/let_me_tell_you_about_demons_souls/?all=true) of Demon's Souls I've seen. This quote is priceless:
That's one of the first Demon's Souls reviews I read. It was very funny indeed. The comments are hilarious too.
nightshade
05-Jul-2010, 18:54
Next time someone comes to my world to murder me I'll be ready for him with a spear..lol
Also are Red Phantoms are able to access the game anytime when the I'm in body form or only when I have already summoned some Blue Phantoms ?
I'm asking this because both the times when I was killed by a Red Phantom I was summoned a blue phantom earlier in the level...yet I never encountered any while I was playing alone without any Blue Phantoms in my world.
Btw I helped a guy slay the Tower Knight today & after that I went on to slay him on my own world with the help of a high level character, he killed him in two hits lol. (ie. after he fell on the ground which would mean he did 4-5 slashes before). After this I was invaded & killed by a Red Phantom in 2-1 but then someone decides to summon me & revive....wooo such generosity !
Billy Idol
05-Jul-2010, 18:57
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Probably the funniest "overview" (http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/acz2t/let_me_tell_you_about_demons_souls/?all=true) of Demon's Souls I've seen. This quote is priceless:
ha ha ha, this is so true!!
Yesterday, I finished Flamelurker...then finished the dragon god...I was on a killing spree!
Got into 4-1...silver skeletons are now easy!! the need several hits to kill me, so no chance for them! I literally run through the level. Did the trick at the tower, jumped down and got the ring - I felt mighty and untouchable at this point!
Proceeded along the tight cliff and wanted to kill the crystal lizard. so I slowly walked forward, pressing R3 to lock on if I reach him...slowly, press R3 to lock the crystal lizard, slowly while spaming R3...suddenly, after pressing R3, my "hero" turns around and runs down the cliff - dead!!
What happend: I tried to lock on the crystal lizard, mean while a flying dragon passed by (high in air) and my ol "hero" decided to lock on him!! that is why I turned around and commited suicide....ha ha ha - I need a break from this game!
Next time someone comes to my world to murder me I'll be ready for him with a spear..lol
I think spears deal less damage but it's a safer weapon against monsters. You can shield up while you jab to interrupt monsters with the other hand. It may not be an effective weapon against human invaders. There is a sword that can bypass shield. The most effective defense is not to get hit. :twisted:
Some of them cast Warding on themselves to minimize physical damage. Some use the anti-magic armor to nullify magic damage. You have to recognize their gears and use the appropriate tactics.
Also are Red Phantoms are able to access the game anytime when the I'm in body form or only when I have already summoned some Blue Phantoms ?
I'm asking this because both the times when I was killed by a Red Phantom I was summoned a blue phantom earlier in the level...yet I never encountered any while I was playing alone without any Blue Phantoms in my world.
No, they can come into your world anytime "like walking into a TacoBell". :-)
Btw I helped a guy slay the Tower Knight today & after that I went on to slay him on my own world with the help of a high level character, he killed him in two hits lol. (ie. after he fell on the ground which would mean he did 4-5 slashes before). After this I was invaded & killed by a Red Phantom in 2-1 but then someone decides to summon me & revive....wooo such generosity !
Ha ha, Asian server sure is hectic ! On US servers, I do get invaded about 3 times a game (usually at the beginning) beyond a certain character level. Earlier levels were rather peaceful. May be things have changed, I am not sure.
I usually linger around the archstone for about 5 minutes for Black Phantoms to appear (Hide in corners or behind archstone). After about 3 spawns, the game doesn't bother you anymore.
EDIT:
You must also wear the Thief Ring at all times in the game. It makes you harder to detect by the monsters and human Black Phantoms.
There is also a spell/miracle that hides you from them. So you can ambush them more effectively. I believe if you cast Warding on yourself, then they can see you because of the spell's visual effect.
nightshade
05-Jul-2010, 19:11
I haven't been able to hunt one crystal lizard till now....how many hits do they take ? If its just one hit then I probably should use a bow. Also if the lizard runs from its place will it ever reappear ?
I haven't been able to hunt one crystal lizard till now....how many hits do they take ? If its just one hit then I probably should use a bow. Also if the lizard runs from its place will it ever reappear ?
Yes, I remember their appearance depends on the number of demons left in the level. Check the DS wiki to confirm.
Depends on your bow power, arrow weight and distance. Some takes 2-3 shots, some 1.
If you double-handed your melee weapon and strike, it can take one hit. However you need to pick the right weapon. Not all weapons swing downwards when double handed. Some swing sideways which would be useless against Crystal Lizards.
The Dragon Bone Smasher works against Crystal Lizard. In fact, it works against most/all monsters in a narrow corridor (The walls won't block your swing because it slashes vertically). When you knock them on the head, you'll plant their face into the ground where they lie flat. ^_^
EDIT:
I went to find a DS video where spears is effective:
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Black Phantom Satsuki (computer controlled) will try to heal himself, and is very aggressive. Spears-shield is a good combo. I beat Satsuki by luck with a sword. It's like I killed him accidentally by attacking repeatedly (never stopped once I scored a hit, so he was stunned and had no time to heal). I had light weight armor, which means I could swing a lot without recovering. A heavy armor can't deflect his strong attacks anyways (Not much different from a light armor).
Billy Idol
05-Jul-2010, 19:26
I haven't been able to hunt one crystal lizard till now....how many hits do they take ? If its just one hit then I probably should use a bow. Also if the lizard runs from its place will it ever reappear ?
Every crytal lizard has a certain counter if I got it right. Some have a higher counter, some a lower counter!
If you cannot get him with your first try, it appears when you reach this place again according to the counter - after the counter is reduced to zero, it never appears again at this position!
Don't know if this is true, but this is what I think!
ha ha ha, this is so true!!
Yesterday, I finished Flamelurker...then finished the dragon god...I was on a killing spree!
Got into 4-1...silver skeletons are now easy!! the need several hits to kill me, so no chance for them! I literally run through the level. Did the trick at the tower, jumped down and got the ring - I felt mighty and untouchable at this point!
Heh, that's usually when/why the player dies in the game. :twisted:
Proceeded along the tight cliff and wanted to kill the crystal lizard. so I slowly walked forward, pressing R3 to lock on if I reach him...slowly, press R3 to lock the crystal lizard, slowly while spaming R3...suddenly, after pressing R3, my "hero" turns around and runs down the cliff - dead!!
What happend: I tried to lock on the crystal lizard, mean while a flying dragon passed by (high in air) and my ol "hero" decided to lock on him!! that is why I turned around and commited suicide....ha ha ha - I need a break from this game!
Yeah, the lock-on sucks and takes careful handling.
When I found out about different weapons' swing style (vertical or horizontal), I thought picking a narrow place to fight -- like 4-1's cliffside -- would be an advantage for me. I had Dragon Bone Smasher on standby, never used it and was itching to try on someone. ;-)
When a human BP dies of environmental effects (e.g., falls to death), he'd lose a level. It should add more psychological pressure on him too.
So when the Phantom finally found me standing by the cliff, the fight ensued. It was a fair fight. I happened to corner him on the open side of the cliff, but the lock-on caused me to leap off the cliff when I attempted a heavy attack. About 2 seconds later, I saw the BP "flew" past me too. :lol: I didn't get to use my DBS either.
EDIT: I forgot to mention this: You can switch to first person view when wielding a bow. I didn't know at first. It's extremely helpful for long range shooting since the enemy may be too far for the lock-on to kick in. It's also superb for scouting the level.
Cornsnake
07-Jul-2010, 20:58
Is it just me or is the difficulty curve of this game all over the place? The skeleton warriors in 4-1 I can beat easily, 3 consecutive strikes will drop them. But those miner things in 2-2 are a lot stronger, far stronger then the one's in 2-1. I'll need far more hits to kill them. And going by world tendency, 2 world is close to pure white, while 4 is grey.
I have the feeling if make it past some of the more difficult worlds, I'm going to run into one that'll just be a walk in the park. Taking the challenge away that makes this game so interesting.
This could all just be my own fault though. Making a character that focuses mostly on strength alone. Enemies that are weak to regular attacks should be easier for me, compared to some of the others.
Is it just me or is the difficulty curve of this game all over the place? The skeleton warriors in 4-1 I can beat easily, 3 consecutive strikes will drop them. But those miner things in 2-2 are a lot stronger, far stronger then the one's in 2-1. I'll need far more hits to kill them. And going by world tendency, 2 world is close to pure white, while 4 is grey.
It probably depends on your character build and weapon. Skeletons are weak against fire. I remember I could one hit them with a dragon sword. I don't remember the miners as strong fighters. They hit very hard (2 hits could kill me), but their health bars are not that long. It could be because I had the Falchion that deals magic damage.
I have the feeling if make it past some of the more difficult worlds, I'm going to run into one that'll just be a walk in the park. Taking the challenge away that makes this game so interesting.
They are all interesting in their own ways, particularly in Pure Black World Tendency. If you want to take on the difficult worlds, try world 5. ^_^
This could all just be my own fault though. Making a character that focuses mostly on strength alone. Enemies that are weak to regular attacks should be easier for me, compared to some of the others.
You will find powerful melee opponents in the game. ;-)
nightshade
07-Jul-2010, 21:52
Use a piercing weapon like spear against the miner/lizard men & see how they go down faster than the skeletons .
I <3 the miners. They drop a lot of stones for me.
Cornsnake
10-Jul-2010, 14:00
This game is starting to annoy me. I'm constantly dying from falling down pits. Either is the lock-on system that pulls me down with it, or it's the dodgy camera blocking my view, or I have to jump down somewhere but don't quite land where I wanted to. For a game that clearly doesn't do well in confined spaces, it sure has a lot of them.
Ha ha ha, the jump is a little unpredictable. I don't know what it was.
I fell into the castle moat once while fighting a Black Phantom. Wanted to jump down behind him but I took a step too far. Usually it's easier to let yourself fall naturally. It's safer that way.
As for lock-on, I got used to it rather quickly. It does make cliff side fighting a hair raising experience.
Are you in 2-2 now ? It's a claustrophobic level. I think World 2, 3 and 5 require careful movement.
Cornsnake
11-Jul-2010, 09:12
Ha ha ha, the jump is a little unpredictable. I don't know what it was.
I fell into the castle moat once while fighting a Black Phantom. Wanted to jump down behind him but I took a step too far. Usually it's easier to let yourself fall naturally. It's safer that way.
As for lock-on, I got used to it rather quickly. It does make cliff side fighting a hair raising experience.
Are you in 2-2 now ? It's a claustrophobic level. I think World 2, 3 and 5 require careful movement.
Yeah I'm in 2-2 now, but I've also been checking out the other *-1 levels. 5-1 seems to be the worst. I think I'm better off not using the lock-on there, or use ranged attacks. I would also be nice if I could see where I was going. I have no idea where I'll end up in that pit in 2-2, because I can only see the next platform.
Yeah I'm in 2-2 now, but I've also been checking out the other *-1 levels. 5-1 seems to be the worst. I think I'm better off not using the lock-on there, or use ranged attacks. I would also be nice if I could see where I was going. I have no idea where I'll end up in that pit in 2-2, because I can only see the next platform.
5-2 is the most *stressful*. On top of that, you need to go all the way to the end of the level to unlock the shortcut.
The guide should help in the 2-2 pit. It's also interesting to visit that area in Pure White and Black tendency.
Don't try to jump in the pit. After I got the position right, I inched out and let myself fall naturally to the next platform. I believe if you have high dexterity, you take less fall damage.
nightshade
11-Jul-2010, 09:33
Just curious...does changing the world tendency while playing online requires as much work as it does while playing offline ?
I think you can't change world tendency reliably when playing online. If more bosses and Black Phantoms get killed, the average WT will become whiter without you doing anything.
I was lucky enough to catch Pure White one random day. Quickly cleared through 2-3 to retrieve Dragon Bone Smasher.
nightshade
11-Jul-2010, 12:29
Another thing how do we exactly check the tendency.
I've herd there are several stages of tendency from -3 to +3..true ?
The thing is the tendency status is of no help as the only thing it'll show is a black world or a white world, no means of differentiating anything else.
It's difficult to gauge your world tendency if you're in the neutral zone, but +3 and -3 are are easy to distinguish between the others. The Demon's Souls wiki has example pictures. It is a tad frustrating.
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/world-tendency
That's the page I used to verify my WT. The surest way is to visit special locations where Black Phantom appears. In Pure White WT, they usually appear as real human.
Hey, people have been holding Demon's Souls cross-site PvP tournament on the US server and I didn't know. Wish they built spectating into the game :-(
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/954345-demons-souls/55647372
Atlus VS Wikidot.
Wikidot wins 7-5. Ilkarraven and LunarHostility remained for their team
Wikidot VS Gamegaqs.
Wikidot wins 7-5 Ilkarraven and Ryuzaki remained.
Atlus VS Gamefaqs.
Gamefaqs wins 7-6. A2thecs won the last fight against True Rememberance
This means Wikidot won in the advanced category. Congrats to them.
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The Euro tournament is coming soon:
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/pvp-tournaments
EU. tournament
August 7th,8pm london time
Soul level: 120 (100-130)
Organizer PSN ID: DeathEleament
Online support confirmed to at least March 2011 for the US. Seems a bit too soon, but I guess Atlus doesn't have a lot of experience with online games.
http://www.justpushstart.com/2010/07/21/demons-souls-is-not-yet-dead-online-support-continues/
Atlus is pleased to announce today that the online support for Demon’s Souls, exclusively on the PlayStation 3, will continue until next year.
Fans who love playing Demon’s Souls will don’t have to worry about losing the online support function until March 2011. The World Tendency event will continue and to celebrate the awesome news today, the world will be switched into Pure Tendency, making the game slightly easier to newcomers who just picked the game up.
I assume the tendency event is US only..
Scott_Arm
22-Jul-2010, 14:51
I think it has less to do with experience in the online market than it does money.
It looks like a simple extension of their previous server deadline.
Atlus also makes use of the opportunity to highlight the (new ?) $30 price.
The game is indeed still spreading based on word of mouth. The GAF thread continues to linger on the first page because of user posts like this: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22514771&postcount=33288
minimoke
24-Jul-2010, 01:17
Just killed the Phalanx Demon!
I'm really enjoying this game but it's flippin' hard:)
Phalanx is a piece of cake (literally). :-P
The FlameLurker:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22614056&postcount=33584
.. and the Man-eater (mentioned in the previous post) are more representative of the Demon's Souls bosses. :twisted:
minimoke
31-Jul-2010, 08:32
Yeah, the Armor Spider was a LOT tougher!
Had to get up close and personal with a Scimitar +5:)
nightshade
31-Jul-2010, 08:49
Armor Spider is a cake, just hide in the crevice & wait, once it stops attacking you can go halfway to cast some fire spells and then come back to hide again....repeat this 10 times & its dead.
Yap, I respect people who go toe to toe against DS bosses. For Armored Spider, if you have a good bow, you can hide beside the boss entrance (right side) and fire at it freely until it dies. There is no need to dodge incoming projectile if you stand at the right spot.
nightshade
31-Jul-2010, 22:43
There's normally a message while playing online at that spot telling that its safe to stay there :p
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/uk-demons-souls-virtually-sold-out
The Black Phantom Edition of terrific PS3 role-playing game Demon's Souls has - but for a few "dribs and drabs" - sold out in the UK, according to publisher Namco Bandai Partners.
"I can't give you a number, but what I mean by an 'amazing success' is that all the stock we built of the Black Phantom Edition has sold out (apart from dribs and drabs)," Lee Kirton, marketing and PR manager for Namco Bandai Partners UK, told Eurogamer.
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"We haven't done hundreds of thousands of units," he added, "but we've been pleased."
Demon's Souls: Black Phantom Edition, released 25th June, spent just two weeks in the UK all-formats top 40 chart - entering in sixth and then falling to 20th a week later.
This Friday, Namco Bandai will release the standard edition of Demon's Souls at the much cheaper price of £34.99.
Akumajou
04-Aug-2010, 09:25
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/uk-demons-souls-virtually-sold-out
Great news this really makes me want to write to the Official US Playstation magazine and blasting them for their coverage (or lack of) of Demon's Souls can't really do that with other magazines since they are confirmed sellouts...
Great news lets hope the sales continue we really need the message being spread.
Also really enjoyed reading Demon's Souls' director Hidetaka Miyazaki's Eurogamer interview that was linked in the story.
minimoke
08-Aug-2010, 12:11
The Black Phantom Edition sold out in Australia too!
New Demon's Souls interview with Edge:
http://www.next-gen.biz/features/interview-demons-souls?page=0,0
“I’m no fan of the genre westerners refer to as the JRPG,” says Takeshi Kajii, the producer at Sony Computer Entertainment who first approached From Software with the proposition to rediscover a lost breed of action game. “I’ve always loved the dark fantasy genre, from Wizardry right through to King’s Field. Yet games that assume that aesthetic these days are usually, at their heart, more like science-fiction. So my desire was to revisit this lost area of gaming, to rediscover a charismatic corner of the medium.”
...
For game director Hidetaka Miyazaki, the interest was shared.
...
Miyazaki explains. “I never had a videogame influence in mind when writing the design documents. Of course, people need to make comparisons and our game has been likened to Diablo, Wizardry, Monster Hunter and even Bushido Blade. But none quite fit. I think this is because our orientation for the game was so different. We weren’t built around cutscenes or scenario, as in so many action-RPGs. Rather, our aim was to have the player feel rewarded simply by playing the game. Not for completing a quest or finding a prize or winning loot, but simply by playing and experiencing the game.”
...
“When we first demo’d Demon’s Souls at the Tokyo Game Show it was nothing short of a disaster,” explains Kajii. “People were initially excited about the idea of a dark fantasy game, but they were so critical of the gameplay. Many people presumed we were still working on the combat at that stage of development, despite it being nearly finished!
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[Read it yourself, mate. Not going to summarize all the way]
EDIT:
Finally read it till the end:
”The theme of risk permeates the game itself, where players are constantly tested, and the stakes are continually raised. “Initially the plan was to have the game feature perma-death, where death of the character would result in the save file being erased,” Kajii laughs.
:runaway:
Cornsnake
14-Aug-2010, 09:04
We weren?t built around cutscenes or scenario, as in so many action-RPGs. Rather, our aim was to have the player feel rewarded simply by playing the game. Not for completing a quest or finding a prize or winning loot, but simply by playing and experiencing the game.?
More games should try to do this. All too often they rely on repetitive gameplay for petty rewards. And I think it greatly improves the sense of immersion.
nightshade
14-Aug-2010, 11:07
More & more games these days rely on pre-determined set pieces to give you all the oohs & aahs instead of the gameplay to provide the same.
Yeah, I am a little worried KZ3 may be heading that way. Let's see.
Cornsnake
15-Aug-2010, 00:33
Yeah, I am a little worried KZ3 may be heading that way. Let's see.
I thought KZ3 was heading in the opposite direction. More open levels should make pre-determined set pieces more difficult to do. Of course they can still do more scripted stuff in between.
You're right. It's going open level, better online, more action (jet pack, melee), more destruction, plus 3D together.
The open level does not promise more interesting gameplay/interaction. Online is under-wrapped.
From the marketing material, I get the feeling that they are working very hard on the (720-targeted) 3D visuals and set pieces (which I like), but am worried that they get carried away. The press demo dwelt on 3D, jet pack, explosions/destructions and melee, which is expected. The actual combat/gunfight mechanics became secondary. I hope they don't forget about basic stuff like enemy AI (teamwork ?), pacing, level design, gunplay, etc.
EDIT: Oh yes, they did talk about revamped aiming. Will have to see how they manage everything together.
In comparison, DS is about very basic exploration, encounter and reward system. There is not much fanciful visual effects. The nice looking things (e.g., the bosses, environmental hazards like the dragons) are all interactive and "touchable" by the character, just like everything else in the game. Little details are overflowing with "personality": from the way the NPCs behave, to every single combat move, every step taken (Look, messages on the floor and white ghosts everywhere !), and death.
Cornsnake
16-Aug-2010, 12:04
You're right. It's going open level, better online, more action (jet pack, melee), more destruction, plus 3D together.
The open level does not promise more interesting gameplay/interaction. Online is under-wrapped.
From the marketing material, I get the feeling that they are working very hard on the (720-targeted) 3D visuals and set pieces (which I like), but am worried that they get carried away. The press demo dwelt on 3D, jet pack, explosions/destructions and melee, which is expected. The actual combat/gunfight mechanics became secondary. I hope they don't forget about basic stuff like enemy AI (teamwork ?), pacing, level design, gunplay, etc.
EDIT: Oh yes, they did talk about revamped aiming. Will have to see how they manage everything together.
That maybe more due to the nature of presentations, it's more difficult to show off good enemy AI and level design, compact to 3D and jetpacks and such. KZ2 already had some good AI and level design. So I'm not worried. Hopefully we'll get a better look at those things at GamesCom.
In comparison, DS is about very basic exploration, encounter and reward system. There is not much fanciful visual effects. The nice looking things (e.g., the bosses, environmental hazards like the dragons) are all interactive and "touchable" by the character, just like everything else in the game. Little details are overflowing with "personality": from the way the NPCs behave, to every single combat move, every step taken (Look, messages on the floor and white ghosts everywhere !), and death.
Yeah, that persistent world feel, like everything had a history to it, was wonderful in DS. That may be hard to match in a shooter, but it would be if more RPG's were like that. I might actually finish them for once.
It was Greatest Hits in Japan, now it's Greatest Hits. Period.
http://imgur.com/tH9Pu.jpg
Source: http://www.atlus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7956
Even though I'm not playing it anymore currently, I think about this game often still. The atmospherics, the design, the gameplay... bring me more Demon's Souls!
Comstedt
16-Sep-2010, 15:22
Spiritual successor confirmed at TGS by from software "Project Dark". Can't wait!
http://kotaku.com/5657675/demons-souls-celebrates-its-birthday-with-a-black--white-affair
Atlus USA is celebrating one year of Demon's Souls today—the "biggest success" in the publisher's two decade history—giving devotees of the dark, dismal role-playing game a pair of World Tendency events to enjoy and/or suffer through.
Starting today, Demon's Souls first birthday in North America, the Kingdom of Boletaria is going "pure white," which players of the PlayStation 3 game know is a nicer change of pace. That lasts until October 18, Atlus says, when the game's world switches to "pure black" for the rest of the month, ending on Halloween.
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When Namco Bandai finally releases the game's successor, currently known as Project Dark, you're going to wish you had the practice. Trust me.
:lol2:
Speed Run !
gGAESIqgC08
One of my hard core gaming friends moved to New York and finally bought a PS3. He's suffering in this game now (muahahaha). Sent me XMB messages a couple of times to b*tch and beg for sympathy ["This game is... hard"]. Still see him playing last night though. :lol:
He's exactly like this comics (Kept telling me how difficult the original Ninja Gaidan was):
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o312/oracrest/Demons%20Souls/4u78l5.jpg
EDIT:
All 4 of the Speed Run videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWi6t8Psv9w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsUzM4rIATQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGAESIqgC08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z6bm27VTis
More Demon's Souls comics collected by GAF posters: <3
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=410758
(You will understand some of them only if you have played the game)
http://i.imgur.com/ehknr.png
This is so true. Can't remember another game that managed to fool me like this.
Ha ha, yes. This one rings true for me too, but fortunately it turns out differently for me.
Demon's Souls is pretty much like real life to me. A lot of the dangers can be avoided via common sense and cowardice. ^_^
The World 5 grunts are slow and weak (although some have pretty powerful attack).
When I saw one charging towards me like that, I thought it must be pretty confident of its capability and ran the hack away, all the way back to second floor (and I didn't dare look back). :lol: When I finally turned around and looked at the bridge, I realized that the thing was like twice my height. :mad: [curse at developers]
That's how I survived the game. That and ranged attack.
Yeah I am cheap. I know.
EDIT:
The PvP is too much sometimes. The thread added 2 new ones:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23968815&postcount=89
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=23969226&postcount=90
The Demon’s Souls Effect On Atlus USA’s Profits:
http://www.siliconera.com/2010/10/21/the-demons-souls-effect-on-atlus-usas-profits/
Index Holdings, the parent company of Atlus, released profit and loss figures for Atlus USA. The US subsidiary did significantly better in fiscal year 2010, the period between September 1, 2009 – August 31, 2010 (Persona style school year) compared to fiscal year 2009.
We’ll let these pictures key games in Atlus USA’s lineups and the numbers do the talking from here.
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Index Holdings specifically points out strong sales of Demon’s Souls as a reason for the boost.
Guardian interviewed Demon's Souls developers:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/oct/28/games-ps3
DaveFalse: Which part of the game are you most proud of and which is your favourite level and/or boss?
HM: This is also a difficult question. What I am the most proud of is the fact that so many players accepted the style of Demon's Souls and enjoyed it.
My favourite stages are the Valley of Death and Latria. My favourite bosses are the Phalanx and the Adjudicator. I will let you imagine why I like those best…
DaveFalse:How long do you intend to keep the servers going for online play?
TK: In Japan and Asia, SCE is publisher of the game so we can decide what to do about the servers. But in the US and in Europe, there are different publishers so this has to be discussed with them. We have daily tracking of the number of players connected to the servers, so we will take this into account when we make a decision about them. But I can't tell how long they will stay online right now. If a lot of people keep playing online, we can keep the servers online.
Dominicorourke: When will I be able to use the PS Move to loose my arrows at skeletons?
HM: We don't have any plans for that at the moment.
FINAL QUESTION: Will there be a sequel?!
HM: I will let Mr Kaiji answer that question.
TK: At the moment, my answer is "no sequel!" However, we have been encouraged by all the players, and this title is so well supported, and besides we like this title so much… Well, this is my own feeling, but I think one day we could bring you another Demon's Souls...
For late comers, Demon's Souls going Pure White again starting 20th December:
http://www.siliconera.com/2010/12/17/demons-souls-turns-pure-white-for-the-holidays/
The holidays are a time to rest and relax, even for the monsters in Boletaria. Demon’s Souls newcomers will get a break beginning on December 20th when the servers switch to pure white tendency. That means monsters will drop more healing items and you can scuffle with Miralda. Players will be safer from threats until just a little after the New Year.
Atlus also said they’re committed to keeping the Demon’s Souls servers online for "as long as they possibly can."
Just got the game a week or so ago. Wow. It started out as bad, but the more I play, the more it sort of grows on me. Just beat the armor spider boss after some serious grinding. Servers seem to be well populated too, judging by the sheer amount of those white ghosts running around. Haven´t had a PvP event or coop happening yet though I did see that blue text on the ground like once or twice. Didn´t go for it yet.
One thing though. I started playing as a mage... and I have a fireball spell and water veil spell. I start with 5 mana recharge items and thats it. No enemies drop mana potions. I have to buy them for 500 each... That is way too much, I need all the souls I can get to leveling up and healing herbs. I can´t seem to find anything that regenarates mana points either. I´ve just beaten the armor spider and the only way I could do that (to even get there) was to level up some strenght, vitality and dexterity so that I could manage as a melee fighter. Not ideal when I wanted to be a magic user.
2real4tv
09-Apr-2011, 14:57
You're right. It's going open level, better online, more action (jet pack, melee), more destruction, plus 3D together.
The open level does not promise more interesting gameplay/interaction. Online is under-wrapped.
From the marketing material, I get the feeling that they are working very hard on the (720-targeted) 3D visuals and set pieces (which I like), but am worried that they get carried away. The press demo dwelt on 3D, jet pack, explosions/destructions and melee, which is expected. The actual combat/gunfight mechanics became secondary. I hope they don't forget about basic stuff like enemy AI (teamwork ?), pacing, level design, gunplay, etc.
EDIT: Oh yes, they did talk about revamped aiming. Will have to see how they manage everything together.
In comparison, DS is about very basic exploration, encounter and reward system. There is not much fanciful visual effects. The nice looking things (e.g., the bosses, environmental hazards like the dragons) are all interactive and "touchable" by the character, just like everything else in the game. Little details are overflowing with "personality": from the way the NPCs behave, to every single combat move, every step taken (Look, messages on the floor and white ghosts everywhere !), and death.
It's been a while since I played but did you check the demon souls wiki?
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/home
Just got the game a week or so ago. Wow. It started out as bad, but the more I play, the more it sort of grows on me. Just beat the armor spider boss after some serious grinding. Servers seem to be well populated too, judging by the sheer amount of those white ghosts running around. Haven´t had a PvP event or coop happening yet though I did see that blue text on the ground like once or twice. Didn´t go for it yet.
One thing though. I started playing as a mage... and I have a fireball spell and water veil spell. I start with 5 mana recharge items and thats it. No enemies drop mana potions. I have to buy them for 500 each... That is way too much, I need all the souls I can get to leveling up and healing herbs. I can´t seem to find anything that regenarates mana points either. I´ve just beaten the armor spider and the only way I could do that (to even get there) was to level up some strenght, vitality and dexterity so that I could manage as a melee fighter. Not ideal when I wanted to be a magic user.
You need a Crescent weapon to regen mana. There is a free one in 4-1 guarded by a red-eyed black skeleton near the beginning. I'd say go for it. You only need to defeat 3 skeleton warriors and 2 skeleton archers to enter the castle. Turn left and on your left, you should see the black skeleton. Lure the black skeleton out and roll pass it. Grab the Crescent Falchion and jump down the slope. *Profit*
Be careful, the skeletons are good fighters and look out for traps.
Edit: you can also make Crescent weapons with Moon stones.
Edit 2: Pure magic users may find it hard to beat other human melee fighters in PvP. I remember Carl (xbd) completed the game with a pure magic user. might want to PM him for tips.
It's been a while since I played but did you check the demon souls wiki?
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/home
I did, but I was talking about KZ3 vs Demon's Souls above.
You need a Crescent weapon to regen mana.
Edit: you can also make Crescent weapons with Moon stones.
Oh... I had no idea. I have kind of grown attached to my short sword... but I already upgraded it to quality short sword. I don´t think I can upgrade it "sidewards" to a moon short sword(?)
I think I did pick up a crescent axe or something but didnt try it on. Probably I didn´t have enough strenght.
But I did find a tower level where a lot of spices are dropped so I can farm that :)
Originally Posted by 2real4tv View Post
It's been a while since I played but did you check the demon souls wiki?
That´s just awesome!
Oh... I had no idea. I have kind of grown attached to my short sword... but I already upgraded it to quality short sword. I don´t think I can upgrade it "sidewards" to a moon short sword(?)
What stones did you use ? Only one stone type per weapon I think.
I think I did pick up a crescent axe or something but didnt try it on. Probably I didn´t have enough strenght.
But I did find a tower level where a lot of spices are dropped so I can farm that :)
The axe is probably a two-handed weapon. If so, you can't equip a shield at the same time.
Get the Crescent Falchion if possible. It's quite easy if you can handle the skeletons (Need some practices).
There is also a Dragon Sword hidden in the 2-2 maze.
Are you in the Tower of Latria now ? World 3 is my most favorite world in DS, especially 3-1.
Get the Crescent Falchion if possible. It's quite easy if you can handle the skeletons (Need some practices).
It's quite incredible weapon for mages due to the bonus damage.
I could 'easily' run trough the skeletons with it.. ;)
Yes I´m in the tower of lantria but only to farm those spice drops and get some souls... once I think I have enough I will go to kill that dragon in the starting world after where I killed the phalanx :)
I wish I had played this two years ago, maybe would have liked the graphics more back then. Now I get to play this right after playing crysis 2 and uncharted 2 and it feels almost like a Playstation 2 game :D
Yes I´m in the tower of lantria but only to farm those spice drops and get some souls... once I think I have enough I will go to kill that dragon in the starting world after where I killed the phalanx :)
I wish I had played this two years ago, maybe would have liked the graphics more back then. Now I get to play this right after playing crysis 2 and uncharted 2 and it feels almost like a Playstation 2 game :D
You know you can kill that dragon with a bow from the top of the first tower, right? :wink:
Best game of this gen IMHO.
Yes I´m in the tower of lantria but only to farm those spice drops and get some souls... once I think I have enough I will go to kill that dragon in the starting world after where I killed the phalanx :)
The red dragon is easy to take down. It can't harm you once you crossed the bridge. Just use a bow and tons of arrows to shoot it down.
Best game of this gen IMHO.
I concur. It managed to make other games feel less engaging.
RenegadeRocks
11-May-2011, 09:54
Boy, is this game tough ! :D !
I chose to be a wanderer ! i dunno much about RPGs so I coudln't understand what all those stats would mean finally, so I chose what I felt I will be in this land, : A Wanderer !
I am at the Boletarian Palace, have died I dunno , maybe 5 times or so ! Does this game have no checkpoints at all??!?!? I managed to reach till that Knight with full armor and blue light for eyes ! Killed him and enetered the fog/gate next tohim only to get killed by a guy who threw a fire bomb and there were barrels all around me :( !!! I died in one hit and back to the beginning of the level :( !
My save game says I have played for 1:44 hrs, and I haven't got to a chkpoint!! or are there none ?
Also, I founf something called the a "Soldier's Lotus" ! How do iuse it, it doesn't appear when I try to change my equipment !
BTW< I am a total Noob at RPGs :P ! The only time I seriously managed stuff inside a game was STALKER, and Man that was awesome !
Cornsnake
12-May-2011, 17:06
My save game says I have played for 1:44 hrs, and I haven't got to a chkpoint!! or are there none ?
Also, I founf something called the a "Soldier's Lotus" ! How do iuse it, it doesn't appear when I try to change my equipment !
I was hoping someone who has actually beaten the game would answer this. Because I not sure how well my experience holds up in levels I haven't played.
There aren't any checkpoints, you can only teleport back to the start of whole levels. You can however open up shortcuts for yourself, allowing you to get back where you left off faster. There should already be a shortcut available to you if you've opened it up. Instead of entering the mist, follow the castle wall, and go down the tower at the end.
I don't know how to use Soldier's Lotus either.
This site should be helpful as well. http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/home
RenegadeRocks
14-May-2011, 16:10
You know whats Funny : This game keeps telling me "You Died !" when I am already dead and looking for my body. So , how come I die again :lol: ! Also, even though I have lost my physical body on death, I leave blood stains when I die (again) ! So, basically my soul is another physical body? Only difference being it can respawn on "death" :lol: !
Cornsnake
15-Jun-2011, 19:42
I decided to give Demon's Souls another chance. Provided I could figure out a way to get around the problems I kept running into. I had previously wanted to make a great melee fighter, with all my stats improved towards that.
I hadn't bought any magic spells. So I bought the weakest one, and with only my starting magic stats I decided to try it on some enemies. First on the weakest enemies. It kills them with one blow, which is nice, but nothing my sword can't do. Then on the more difficult enemies. One blow takes away 80 to 90% of their health. :shock: My sword, which I have spend hours trying to upgrade, definitely can't do this. And finally on an enemy that'll probably kill me. I does moderate damage, similar to my sword, and I'm killed.
I'll probably get more difficult again later on, but for now it feels very un-characteristically of DS. Spamming magic every where, and killing enemies before they have a chance to hurt me. So lesson learned, don't make specialised characters in DS.
Dude, that's what I have been saying ! :cool: It's not a hard game if you go ranged weapon/magic. You can cheese almost all the bosses. :-)
But if you want some challenge, go melee. I did that selectively. Armor is not so useful for melee. Agility is.
And then of course, there are invading *ssholes, who are really another breed of monsters. :twisted:
Which world are you in now ?
I'll invade your world.
Cornsnake
15-Jun-2011, 22:29
Dude, that's what I have been saying ! :cool: It's not a hard game if you go ranged weapon/magic. You can cheese almost all the bosses. :-)
But if you want some challenge, go melee. I did that selectively. Armor is not so useful for melee. Agility is.
And then of course, there are invading *ssholes, who are really another breed of monsters. :twisted:
Which world are you in now ?
I'll invade your world.
Yeah, but it's a hell of a lot more boring that way. The melee combat is a great mechanic, and a lot of fun to use. At least when your not standing on narrow walk ways. I'm still going to try melee at first, and save the magic for use against other magic user or ranged targets. It feels like I'm being handed my victory otherwise.
Hopefully Dark Souls can strike a better balance between melee and magic.
I'm still very early on in the game. Either the first or second level in each of the worlds.
Yeah, but it's a hell of a lot more boring that way. The melee combat is a great mechanic, and a lot of fun to use. At least when your not standing on narrow walk ways. I'm still going to try melee at first, and save the magic for use against other magic user or ranged targets. It feels like I'm being handed my victory otherwise.
Yap. If you have time, try melee first. Fallback on ranged attack when you give up. There is always NG+.
Hopefully Dark Souls can strike a better balance between melee and magic.
I'm still very early on in the game. Either the first or second level in each of the worlds.
For people who cheeze the game, the invading and in-game black phantoms will usually kick their butt. That's why it's so frightening when someone invaded me for the first time. I clearly wasn't prepared for melee psychologically and skills-wise. It's like a nasty pop-quiz.
Have you been invaded ?
Cornsnake
16-Jun-2011, 16:54
No, not yet. The guide keeps telling me to kill myself in the Nexus as soon as I get my body back, so as not to shift the world tendency towards black. I've been ignoring that, but getting yourself killed in a new level is quite easy. I haven't really given others much of a chance to invade my game. And the guide says I'll most likely be invaded when I'm around soul level 80 to 140. Which is still far removed from the soul level 29 I'm at.
Cornsnake
30-Jun-2011, 19:03
Aren't there any good boss fights in this game? I keep getting fights that can either be won the incredibly easy way, which is boring, or the hard way where I'm constantly at risk of being one hit killed.
I hope the can strike a better balance in ways to kill bosses in Dark Souls.
I just killed Yurt. I had him bleed to death, which is ironic since he tries to do the same thing, and I wanted his armor because it offers such good protection to it. That, and it looks really cool with my dual Uchigatana's. :cool:
Which world have you not explored yet ?
I like the fact that most of the bosses can be defeated if you want to take the easy way out though. :twisted: I have a feeling they will close this hole in Dark Souls.
It also depends on whether you have leveled up enough. The bosses will not one-hit kill you if you have enough health. The only exception is the Dragon God I think.
For me, the ones that are fun for toe-to-toe fight are:
* Maneater
* Flamelurker
* Monk
* The boss knight in world 5
* The optional NPC Black Phantoms
* The Black Skeleton behind the hidden wall in world 4-2
I am too scared to fight the 1-2 boss (Tower Knight) up close.
The Penetrator fight looks intense but I took the wrong sword to the fight. I used Northern Regalia which has a very wide swing. I killed the Demon but also hurt the Twin Fang dude. So he chased after me every time I passed by that corridor. :lol:
EDIT: I also took Yurt's armor, mainly for the poison resistance and the look.
EDIT 2: Wait till a human Black Phantom bleed you and prolong the fight. :-(
kagemaru
30-Jun-2011, 19:30
I've had this game for a few weeks, and can't wait to dive into it, loved what little I played so far (before losing all my souls. :razz:)
Just want to finish off a couple more games in my backlog before committing to this.
Oops, I spoiler tag my post. Hope it's not too late. >8^)
Cornsnake
30-Jun-2011, 19:58
Which world have you not explored yet ?
I'm in all the second levels of the worlds, except for world 5. Which is where Yurt's armor should come in handy. Looks like I'll have some good fights still ahead of me.
Edit: I just fought that Black Skeleton in 4-2. Almost got him last time. It's nice that he's so close to the Archstone. I'll need to kill him to farm Blade Stone's
EDIT 2: Wait till a human Black Phantom bleed you and prolong the fight. :-(
And with my current equipment I'll probably try the same thing. I love to use the katana's.
kagemaru
30-Jun-2011, 20:40
Oops, I spoiler tag my post. Hope it's not too late. >8^)
Hey thanks, but I wasn't too worried about it. Just didn't think about posting about the game here until I saw the thread pop up. :razz:
Cornsnake
05-Jul-2011, 21:11
Finally beat the Flamelurker. This was the boss I quit Demon's Souls on last time. Now the fight went surprisingly well using the right equipment. Weaker armour that let's me move around faster, and a Moon Uchigatana +2. I didn't have use magic. (Because I forgot to bring Water Veil. :oops:)
Yeah... using the right equipment is crucial.
I beat it using Soul Arrow and a proper shield.
Now try Maneater ! :twisted:
Cornsnake
06-Jul-2011, 16:21
I was planning to try and kill the Dragon God next. That should put world 2 at pure white world tendency, and do those tendency events. After that I'll try to get summoned as a blue phantom, and try to defeat the Flamelurker again to win my body back. Then see if I'll be invaded. I can defeat the invader, :cool:, and if he kills me it'll shift the world tendency towards black again. And I can do the pure black world tendency events if I die often enough.
Cool, don't forget to grab the DragonBone Smasher after (before ?) defeating the Dragon God !
Cornsnake
06-Jul-2011, 20:07
Got it. LOL @ that thing though. It's nice to see that there is still a sense of humour in DS. What can I say about the Dragon God? It was very cool, and very anti-climactic.
Yeah, it's an easy boss. But I took 10+ attempts to clear it. Also wasted a Blue Phantom. I am officially stupid ! :oops:
EDIT: Muahahaha... Needed an internal WiFi for R&D. Found an active King_Allant wireless network. After some hunting, I finally locate another Demon's Souls player at work. So awesome ^_^
Cornsnake
07-Jul-2011, 21:48
It's a small world.
I played some co-op for the first time. That made the game considerably easier. The person I ended up playing with looked like he could take the Flamelurker on on his own. Between the 2 of us that thing didn't stand a chance.
I ran into a little problem in my plan to be invaded. According the DS Wiki I can't be invaded in the levels I've already killed the Boss in. But any players I'm helping in co-op can still be invaded.
It's a small world.
Heh heh, he chose "King_Allant" as the WiFi SID name because he wanted to know who else is playing Demon's Souls. I worked with him on a few small projects. Didn't know he has a PS3. :-)
Cornsnake
08-Jul-2011, 23:54
I waited a hour, in various places, for another co-op game. No success. Is that normal?
I still see plenty of ghosts. So there should enough other players. Maybe I'm not the only one trying to get into co-op games.
May be it's level restriction ?
http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/online
Level Restrictions
The servers do enforce level restrictions, so a host cannot summon co-op helpers or be invaded by enemy PvP players who are not close to the same level. However, if you are invading then the other player is considered the host, which means they would be higher level than the reverse.
The level restrictions are always based on the host, who is the person not in soul form. If you are within their range, they can summon you, or you can invade them. So, while a high level character might be able to summon you, the reverse might not be true.
An example of this is a 144 player can summon a 119, but a 119 player cannot summon anyone greater than 140. The exact formula is : Host Soul level +/- (Host Soul Level * .1) + 10. You then take that result and always round the answer down. You can use the Level Range tool to calculate this information.
Cornsnake
09-Jul-2011, 08:58
Perhaps, although I had taken that into account. I'm not increasing my Soul Level, and placing the Blue Eye Stone in levels I've only just beaten.
Maybe there just aren't that many players walking around in body form.
Edit: I'm having much better luck being summoned in 4-1. I was summoned multiple times into somebody's pure black new game+ world. (She used the Northern Regalia, and there were several Black Phantom skeletons) So many things that could, and have, one hit killed me. The tutorial boss, the black skeletons, the gold skeletons, BP skeletons, BP Satsuki. Even though I could do very little damage on them myself, I still managed to make myself useful. (certainly compared to the other Blue Phantom's she summoned.) We had some nice teamwork going where I would move forward first and block the skeletons first attack, and try to get them to turn their backs on her, and then she would backstab them. It's a shame I never made it to the Adjudicator in that game. Although I probably wouldn't have lasted long.
I also got to kill an invader in that game.
:lol: I remember pure black 4-* during Atlus' special event. Should try to take on BP Satsuki alone. You can do it easily once you figure out the strategy/philosophy. He's tough because he deals heavy damage, attack fast, and knows how to heal himself.
The black gold skeletons were scary too. I remember I had sweaty palms after I cleared the "windy" cliff.
Cornsnake
12-Jul-2011, 16:05
I was hoping they would do more pure black or white special events, although that seems unlikely at this point. I'm playing offline just to maintain pure black in world 2. I haven't been able to defeat BP Scirvir just yet. But I'm getting a lot of stone shards and clunks out of it. I finally got the last one I needed for a Sticky Compound Bow +5.
Also, it's going to be so much fun to kill Patches when the time comes.
Wow, don't you want Heavy Arrows ? He's the only one who sell them !
Cornsnake
12-Jul-2011, 16:15
Wow, don't you want Heavy Arrows ? He's the only one who sell them !
That's the only reason he's still alive right now. I'll kill him as part of Mephistopheles' assassination quest before the end game.
Cornsnake
17-Jul-2011, 15:13
Around which Soul Level should you be ready for the end game? I'm SL 60 right now, and I still have the last 2 levels of worlds 1, 3 and 4 to go. I just beat world 5 rather easily, which isn't good considering Demon's Souls is all about the satisfaction you get from overcoming a difficult challenge. Garl Vinland was disappointing. He just stands there waiting to get his head smashed in.
I think that's the problem with the way DS let's you take on each world in the order you want to. By the time you get to some worlds you may be overpowered. The difficulty curve in this game is all over the place.
World 3 and the Maneater's are probably next.
I was over-leveled @ 89 when I completed the game.
The False King was quite a handful, so I took the easy way out.
I also cheesed the level 5 boss by attacking his girl friend instead. Only took on the boss head on in my replay. He's alright, but I think the bloody babies in the swamp are more terrifying. I remember I got owned there and cursed repeatedly.
The difficulty is self managed. You next objective should be more fun -- if you refrain from using the most powerful spell. ;-)
Cornsnake
17-Jul-2011, 18:53
I have no powerful spells, or the stats to use them. I plan on using my dragon claymore +3, some light armour, and that new shield I got.
I accidentally missed the opportunity for pure white in world 5. I defeated the archdemon, got my body back, and immediately died. Now I can't get pure white until a new game.
Edit: Well, so much for the Maneater's. What's the point of having two of them if the first is going to be dead before other one has arrived? I ended up using my Uchigatana +9 instead. It strikes much faster.
:lol: You wield a claymore and sling one of those heavy shields on you back ? You character must be awesome ! I looked at claymore and took a different evolution path. I remember the specs is hefty and it's a two-handed weapon right ?
Uchigatana + 9 sounds great. Do you have two ? Have you checked out the Pantheon yet ? You post reminds me of the characters in the Pantheon.
Cornsnake
18-Jul-2011, 18:47
I'm pretty happy with my character right now. I'm at 22 each for Vitality, Endurance and Strength. Giving me enough health, letting me carry and use most of the weapons and armour I want. Intelligence at 14 to get a second spell slot. Magic, Faith and Luck are still at the base stats for a Knight. And I'm somewhere in the thirties with my Dexterity stat, which is great for the stat bonus on the weapons I like to use. I'm going to keep putting my souls towards Dexterity for now. And maybe later increase Endurance to be able to move faster with a heavier set of armour.
Depending the level I use either the lighter set of Leather armour, or the heavier Gloom armour.
I've been spending a lot of souls on weapons instead Soul Level lately. And playing around with different weapons types to see with ones I like. Right now I like to use a Dragon Claymore +3. The description says it's a 2 handed weapon, but you can use it just fine 1 handed. 2 handed has a nice guard break though. I like to make a Blessed Claymore if I can find that vendor again in 1-3.
I actually have 3 Uchigatana's. A Moon Uchigatana +3 for magic damage. A regular Uchigatana +9 because it's the easiest to upgrade and has the strongest normal damage for my stats right now. And a Sharp Uchigatana +2, which should eventually become the strongest normal damage with higher stats. I haven't had much luck farming Blade stones.
For long range the Sticky Compound Bow +5. Good against magic users.
The 2 shields I use are a Purple Flame Shield +6, and Dark Silver Shield.
I did check out the Pantheon. I was curios to see what some of the best players are using. Strangly enough they also show cheaters in there. Some have an insane amount of souls, which they were able to get through some glitch.
Sigfried1977
18-Jul-2011, 21:12
I have no powerful spells, or the stats to use them. I plan on using my dragon claymore +3, some light armour, and that new shield I got.
I accidentally missed the opportunity for pure white in world 5. I defeated the archdemon, got my body back, and immediately died. Now I can't get pure white until a new game.
Edit: Well, so much for the Maneater's. What's the point of having two of them if the first is going to be dead before other one has arrived? I ended up using my Uchigatana +9 instead. It strikes much faster.
The point is that you may very well end up fighting 2 of them at once if your character isn't well suited for the fight. I certainly had to. (until I cheated)
Cornsnake
18-Jul-2011, 21:16
The point is that you may very well end up fighting 2 of them at once if your character isn't well suited for the fight. I certainly had to. (until I cheated)
Fog door glitch?
Sigfried1977
19-Jul-2011, 11:49
Yep.
Cornsnake
19-Jul-2011, 21:21
I'm not sure how, but I still have pure white WT in world 5. :razz:
I can't wait to finish up all the events in world 5. That place is annoying as hell.
Sigfried1977
20-Jul-2011, 00:35
Kinda annoying, yeah. Still, as far as environments in games go it's as creepy as they come if you ask me.
Seriously, Survival Horror games could learn a couple of things from Demon's Souls. It makes most of the "real" horror games look tame and amateurish.
Cornsnake
20-Jul-2011, 18:04
Yeah, DS has a lot in common with a good horror game. Worlds 3 and 5 especially. The atmosphere is really great. Seeing things move through the darkness, knowing that every mistake can cost you. The paranoia from being invaded.
The believability also helps a lot. Each world makes sense in it's own twisted way. Most games feel artificial because everything is design around the player. Whereas in DS the world stands on it's own, and your merely passing through.
World 3-1 is the best for me. Freaking scary. I happened to watch an invader teleport to my world. I thought he was some in-game event. XD
Didn't think the developers would create the GANTZ-like teleport effect in the game.
Sigfried, taking on the Maneaters is fun if you have Warding. I enjoyed it more than Flamelurker. I would like to try the blind hero if I have the time.
Cornsnake, I believe all 2-handed weapons can be wielded on 1 hand if your stats is double the requirements (or more)
Cornsnake
21-Jul-2011, 17:04
Cornsnake, I believe all 2-handed weapons can be wielded on 1 hand if your stats is double the requirements (or more)
No, it's the other way around. You can use a weapon 2-handed if you only have half the required stats, but you'll need the full requirements to 1-hand it. And that only work for the strength stat. Technically you can still 1-hand it without the required stats, but you'll do a lot less damage.
Ah, may have remembered it wrongly ! :oops:
I thought Dragonbone Smasher is a two-handed weapon, but apparently it's a one handed gear. Some people carry one in each hand. I made the wrong conclusion based on my memory of the 2-hand rule. ^_^
Cornsnake
21-Jul-2011, 20:55
I just fought Old Hero. Ugh, I feel like I've dirtied my hands by killing a total noob. He never managed to hit me even once, I mean how could he, the guy is blind.
Getting to him was a much better challenge. Tricky Reapers hiding in a corner, attacking you while your distracted.
I was going to ask if he has a one-hit kill ^_^ I was told he can sense your location if you attack him. He could also hear your armor and footstep. I basically strip and attack him steathily. From your description, it sounds like you were wearing the leather armor ?
EDIT: I'll be at the real Pantheon tomorrow ! :-)
Really look forward to see it. I visited Sam Gimignano the other day, and it reminded me of Demon's Souls too. Very cool !
Cornsnake
21-Jul-2011, 22:11
Yep, leather armour, and a thief's ring. I felt sorry for the guy. I could just stand there safely, while he was just randomly hitting things. After he hits something, walk in and hit him a few times, and he still didn't know where I was. I could easily stay behind his back while he was probably attacking where I used to be.
Yeah, sounds about right. I heard he can be very tough if you wear a noisy armor to his battle. I haven't tried it myself. Like you, I felt sorry for him during both my encounters in NG and NG+
Cornsnake
24-Jul-2011, 00:26
I'm burning through the game now. :razz:
I killed the following.
The Storm King. Pretty cool fight, it's a shame the Stormruler's special attack only works in that level.
Satsuki. I gave him the Makoto. I'm not sure why I deserve to get closer to black character tendency for killing that dumbass in selfdefence. Easy fight.
The Red Dragon. Killed with only 2 arrows. :shock:
Penetrator. I got through the whole level and killed him without dying. Had some great fights against those Red Eye Knight's along the way.
Also, one of the followers of Saint Urbain decided to go and rescue him. I thought it was pretty cool that he actually went. But now I've saved Saint Urbain, beaten every boss in world 4, but he hasn't returned. He's not coming back right?
Cornsnake
26-Jul-2011, 13:10
It's not going as fast now. But I have just made some excellent progress. :cool:
I killed the Blue Dragon. Which took significantly longer then the Red Dragon. I had to use well over a hundred arrows, and only just managed to kill him before Biorr died.
Old King Doran. Haven't killed him yet because I only needed the Demonbrandt. Killing him also would have pushed my character tendency towards black.
BP Satsuki. I lost my white character tendency by killing his body from. So it's fitting that killing his BP from should restore it. Pretty good fight. I died a bunch of times before killing him.
False King Allant. It took about 7 or 8 attempts, and I lost a few Soul Levels while fighting him. I switched strategies a few times before finally beating him. I used my light armour again, the Demonbrandt and Dark Silver Shield, and the Warding spell for added protection. That didn't go too well. So I got the Second Change miracle, and used that instead of Warding. I had to use a ring to get the extra miracle slot to be able to use it. I almost killed him once like this. When I did kill him I used 2 Uchigatana's, no shield, Second Change once, (which I only then found out can't be used simultaneously with Warding) and Warding after Second Change was used up. Awesome fight.
Now there is only Old Monk left before the end game. But before that I want to all the world tendency events. So I can hopefully get a real player against Old Monk when I start playing online again.
I actually haven't tried Stormruler at all. :-(
Knew King Allant would be a good fight for you. Old King Doran should be difficult too.
Also BP Satsuki, how did you kill him ? (As in what approach did you take ?)
Also, one of the followers of Saint Urbain decided to go and rescue him. I thought it was pretty cool that he actually went. But now I've saved Saint Urbain, beaten every boss in world 4, but he hasn't returned. He's not coming back right?
I forgot how it goes already. Didn't even remember Sir Urbain had 2-3 followers in the Nexus. :oops:
Cornsnake
26-Jul-2011, 20:59
I actually haven't tried Stormruler at all. :-(
Knew King Allant would be a good fight for you. Old King Doran should be difficult too.
Also BP Satsuki, how did you kill him ? (As in what approach did you take ?)
I forgot how it goes already. Didn't even remember Sir Urbain had 2-3 followers in the Nexus. :oops:
I tried fighting Old King Doran. Hit him once and did 27 damage, which looks like nothing on his health bar. So I'll hold off on that fight for now.
On BP Satsuki I used the same strategy he did. Light armour, Uchigatana +10, and a shield. A direct hit would instantly kill me, so I either had to block or dodge his attacks. By constantly moving around, and only attacking him after he has to recover from his attacks, and always leaving enough stamina to block or dodge a few times, I beat him. That's usually how I approach most boss fights.
I found the answer to whether or not Saint Urbain comes back on the DS wiki. Apparently he's always gone after you rescue Saint Urbain.
On BP Satsuki I used the same strategy he did. Light armour, Uchigatana +10, and a shield. A direct hit would instantly kill me, so I either had to block or dodge his attacks. By constantly moving around, and only attacking him after he has to recover from his attacks, and always leaving enough stamina to block or dodge a few times, I beat him. That's usually how I approach most boss fights.
Pretty much ! After a few failures, I decided that armor is useless. Took off everything and attacked him repeatedly without break until he fell. Because I had nothing on, I could regain my stamina faster than he could recover. :-P
Never done that again. I gave up on King Allant the moment he sucked one level out of me (AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH !!!). Killed him slowly with posion cloud instead. :oops:
Cornsnake
27-Jul-2011, 00:36
I never cared much for losing soul levels. Everytime it was the Dexterity stat that I lost. Which I had plenty of to begin with. And gaining soul levels is easy, pure black 4-3, killing those Manta things with the Stormruler.
BP Scirvir is starting to annoy me. He kills me everytime in one shot. Even using Water Veil. Hopefully Miralda's armour will have enough fire protection.
Edit: I killed BP Scirvir. I played a game of dodgeball with him, dodging his fire magic until it ran out. After that it was easy. I thought the Talisman of Beasts would be nice to have, but now I don't have the stats to use it.
Cornsnake
30-Jul-2011, 01:49
Hopefully someone has an answer to this. I bought the spell Light Weapon, but it won't let me use it on about half the weapons I have. Is that normal? Because it seems pretty arbitrary to me which weapons can, or cannot, use it.
Edit: Found the answer. It's completely arbitrary. Stupid game and it's idiotic rules. :roll:
I think each type of weapon has slightly different behavior. What does Light Weapon do ? I never use it. :oops:
Cornsnake
30-Jul-2011, 11:03
I think each type of weapon has slightly different behavior. What does Light Weapon do ? I never use it. :oops:
It adds magic damage to a weapon.
I found a list on the DS wiki of which weapons can, or cannot, be enchanted. Some of the upgrade paths can, others can't. Some of the special weapons can, others can't. The weapon I bought it for can't. :evil:
Cornsnake
30-Jul-2011, 14:30
Well, Old King Doran is dead. I got sick of his nonsense and backstabbed him to death. Which oddly enough is the only way to do any reasonable amount of damage on him. Any other way and my weapons had their damage reduced anywhere between a factor of 5 and 10.
Maybe I'll try fighting him properly in new game+. For now I'd rather finish up the last few things I need to do before beating the game.
Are you going to try invasion ? :-P
Cornsnake
30-Jul-2011, 18:56
I just did. :twisted:
The first few times I invaded the same guy who one hit killed me with Homing Soul Arrow.
Then I was summoned to be the world 3-3 boss. That was pretty cool. It felt a bit like cheating though. I got a huge health bar, and I could heal myself just fine. It ended up being a good fight, with me mostly chasing after him. Using the Uchigatana wasn't working, he could block it quite easily. So I switched to 2-handing the Demonbrandt to guard break him. That worked, and I won. I got the Monk's Head Collar out of it.
Knowing you're doing this to some poor guy who probably doesn't know what to expect makes it all the sweeter. :twisted:
I just did. :twisted:
The first few times I invaded the same guy who one hit killed me with Homing Soul Arrow.
Then I was summoned to be the world 3-3 boss. That was pretty cool. It felt a bit like cheating though. I got a huge health bar, and I could heal myself just fine. It ended up being a good fight, with me mostly chasing after him. Using the Uchigatana wasn't working, he could block it quite easily. So I switched to 2-handing the Demonbrandt to guard break him. That worked, and I won. I got the Monk's Head Collar out of it.
Knowing you're doing this to some poor guy who probably doesn't know what to expect makes it all the sweeter. :twisted:
:lol: I'd rather die a quick death ! Most of my fights ended abruptly and relatively quickly.
I did chase an invading Black Phantom all over the 3-1 prison though. That was tense as hell.
This is why I will try to complete Dark Souls in one sitting if possible. The longer I wait, the more difficult it will become ! XD
Cornsnake
02-Aug-2011, 13:45
I finally finished it. It took me 108 hours, I'm Soul Level 90, and I think I've done everything you can do in a single playthrough.
That last fight was a bit weak though. Although I suppose that's for story reasons.
Getting pure black character tendency for Mephistopheles quest does make you significantly weaker. Both my health and strength are down. I'm trying to play more in body form to make up for it. And maybe get invaded too. That hasn't happened on my way to beating Phalanx again. World 4 should probably be good for that.
I'm glad I decided to give DS another chance. I can't wait for Dark Souls.
Yap ! Demon's Souls is truly unique. Did you get Northern Regalia eventually ? Or are you still wielding Demonbrandt ?
Cornsnake
02-Aug-2011, 18:45
Yap ! Demon's Souls is truly unique. Did you get Northern Regalia eventually ? Or are you still wielding Demonbrandt ?
I have everything needed to make it. I think I just need to defeat Flamelurker again. The Demonbrandt is useless at pure black character tendency.
I just got invaded in Stonefang Tunnel. It was right at the beginning, so I knew where he'd coming from. He was using cloak or something because he was almost invisible. That must have made him overconfident because he walked right past me while I was waiting to ambush him from behind a doorway. I killed him before he had a chance to fight back. That probably best way it could have went for me. I wouldn't surprise if his Dragon Bone Smasher would killed me in just a few hits otherwise.
Still I died not long after that. The difficulty increase is definitely noticeable in world 2.
I was told Black Phantoms will have a harder time seeing you if you have your Thief Ring on.
I think Northern Regalia deals more damage than Demonbrandt even if the tendency matches both weapons.
Cornsnake
02-Aug-2011, 20:18
The Northern Regalia does do more damage. I'm hoping it also has a better range. I prefer the Claymore over the Demonbrandt for that reason, even though the Demonbrandt is stronger under the right conditions.
Hmm.. NR should have much wider swing, which I don't quite like. I don't have a Demonbrandt. I got a Soulbrandt instead.
Northern Regalia is also slightly slower. There is a slight pause/lag before a swing. :-/
Cornsnake
17-Aug-2011, 18:07
I just got best way to die DS has to offer. Being punched to death by the Dragon God after defeating Vanguard in the tutorial.
I decided to start a character with the soldier class. This time focusing on strength. I grew a little tired of NG+. The enemies have insane amount of health, while I take massive damage at the slightest hit.
Heh heh... yes.
I thought you were playing as a soldier ? The class doesn't really matter right ? Since you get to develop any attributes you want. ^_^
I think the only big difference is magic user vs melee fighters. I am guessing pure magic people (like CarlB's) may suck when faced with a human intruder.
Cornsnake
17-Aug-2011, 19:15
I started my first playthrough as a knight. Which is indeed quite similar to the soldier. But I focused heavily on dexterity with my knight. Focusing on strength now means different weapons should be more effective this time around.
I not sure about magic users being at a disadvantage when invaded. I got instakilled by homing soul arrow the few times I've invaded. But that might have been my fault for not blocking it with the dark silver shield.
I was surprised at how few times I was invaded myself on NG+. I beat 4-1, 5-1, and 5-2, in body form without ever being invaded.
But that might have been my fault for not blocking it with the dark silver shield.
Ding ! Ding ! Ding !
I was surprised at how few times I was invaded myself on NG+. I beat 4-1, 5-1, and 5-2, in body form without ever being invaded.
They probably have moved on. I was told the Japan server has more invaders. But some of them are kind hearted. They will drop stuff for you to pick up, and leave. XD
In case people want to go back to Demon's Souls after trying out Dark Souls:
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/22/atlus-continues-demons-souls-server-support-into-2012/
In an announcement timed suspiciously closely to the release of a totally unrelated game (wink!), Atlus announced that it's going to continue operating the servers for Demon's Souls "into 2012." They had previously only been ensured operation until October of this year.
...
Atlus PR also just casually drops the fact that Demon's Souls has an MSRP of $19.99, making it the best bargain in From Software's two-title-strong library of hardcore action RPGs.
I really wanted to like this game. I really did.
The simple fact was that the difficulty of any given stage was all over the map and there were basically no checkpoints. This meant that in the 10 or so hours that I played of it, I discovered that I was spending most of my time basically slogging through easy areas just to die on the same hard spot over and over.
I also felt like the stat and weapon system was so overcomplicated and so many things were missable that you more or less needed a guide to play the game.
I really thought I was going to like this one since I have loved many hard combat-based games (NG, for example). But ultimately this game clearly requires either
a) A ton of grinding or
b) A ton of trial and error
To actually get to the point where it's anything more than horrifyingly repetative, unfun drudgery. I'm sure once you get powerful enough the game sucks less, but honestly I don't have the time to waste on that sort of junk anymore.
I hear the sequel is supposed to fix a lot of these issues, but I felt like I got burned on this game and I'm not terribly eager to give them my money again right now.
Ah ! Should have discussed with us instead of slogging on your own. The game is not difficult if you know what to do. Equipment is important. Ranged weapons is considerably easier to beat most bosses. Thief Ring is a must have. You can get ahead of the curve by taking some risk earlier in 4-2.
The rest are mostly careful exploration and melee. Running away or avoiding conflict is a valid strategy here because high level monsters may roam the beginning level(s).
I did grind a fair bit but that's because I enjoyed fighting the Skeleton Warriors, and I wanted to wear heavy fancy armor. :-P
If you're good at melee, armor is actually not that important except for environmental protection (e.g., poison).
I believe Dark Souls introduces checkpoints, but it seems more mean spirited than Demon's Souls (Potentially more invasion and user curses). ^_^
Oh dear, I hear the Dark Soul bosses cannot be cheezed easily anymore...
I think I may have got a Thief Ring, can't remember.
The bit that ultimately made me give up on the game was the section with the bridge and the dragon. I'd go through the entire area, then just get destroyed at the gate area.
If I moved far enough back not to get destroyed by archers, the dragon would strafe me. If I moved too far up, the blue knights would destroy me. And it was something like 20+ minutes of just slogging through trash to get to the gate every time you died.
At that point I decided, "This is stupid and bad design" and never touched the game again.
BadTB25
29-Sep-2011, 02:07
I think I may have got a Thief Ring, can't remember.
The bit that ultimately made me give up on the game was the section with the bridge and the dragon. I'd go through the entire area, then just get destroyed at the gate area.
If I moved far enough back not to get destroyed by archers, the dragon would strafe me. If I moved too far up, the blue knights would destroy me. And it was something like 20+ minutes of just slogging through trash to get to the gate every time you died.
At that point I decided, "This is stupid and bad design" and never touched the game again.
I'm with you on this one.
I completed it, but was ultimately unfulfilled and frustrated in many instances. I like grinding and looting, but this game was too much in the difficulty and hidden ways to get the through locked doors.
It seems that to get the most of the game, you have to rely on faqs as well as there is very little in explanation on how to complete some of the side quests.
I think that Dark Souls will have refined a lot of elements, but I will not be there until I have checked out a lot of user reviews.
I think I may have got a Thief Ring, can't remember.
The bit that ultimately made me give up on the game was the section with the bridge and the dragon. I'd go through the entire area, then just get destroyed at the gate area.
If I moved far enough back not to get destroyed by archers, the dragon would strafe me. If I moved too far up, the blue knights would destroy me. And it was something like 20+ minutes of just slogging through trash to get to the gate every time you died.
At that point I decided, "This is stupid and bad design" and never touched the game again.
You mean near the beginning of the game ? I think first time I stripped down and ran across the bridge. Second time I let the dragon take care of most of the enemies. I think you can also take the underpass to avoid the dragon in some section of the bridge. Then attack the soldiers from behind.
If you have a bow, you can attack the enemies from far. There is a short bow at the top of one of the bridge towers (You probably passed it). I found a long bow in 4-2 and used it to kill the dragon instead.
I'm with you on this one.
I completed it, but was ultimately unfulfilled and frustrated in many instances. I like grinding and looting, but this game was too much in the difficulty and hidden ways to get the through locked doors.
It seems that to get the most of the game, you have to rely on faqs as well as there is very little in explanation on how to complete some of the side quests.
I think that Dark Souls will have refined a lot of elements, but I will not be there until I have checked out a lot of user reviews.
I suspect Dark Souls would be more challenging than Demon's Souls because the developers have slapped more restrictions on the players, and there are more PvP variations.
Indeed the Demon's Souls guide is very useful. Alternatively, you can just read the Demon's Souls wiki or ask around. However, xbd completed the campaign without reading a guide or asking anyone. ^_^
Cornsnake
29-Sep-2011, 16:38
I think I may have got a Thief Ring, can't remember.
The bit that ultimately made me give up on the game was the section with the bridge and the dragon. I'd go through the entire area, then just get destroyed at the gate area.
If I moved far enough back not to get destroyed by archers, the dragon would strafe me. If I moved too far up, the blue knights would destroy me. And it was something like 20+ minutes of just slogging through trash to get to the gate every time you died.
At that point I decided, "This is stupid and bad design" and never touched the game again.
An easy way to do it is to take either a Mail Breaker or a Spear, (You should have been able to find both at this point) together with a good shield. Both of these weapon can used to attack from behind the safety of your shield.
Buy yes, the lack of proper explanations is a big problem with Demon's Souls. I also quit at some point. And I was lucky to have a guide that came with the european version.
If you have a bow, you can attack the enemies from far. There is a short bow at the top of one of the bridge towers (You probably passed it). I found a long bow in 4-2 and used it to kill the dragon instead.
The Compound Long Bow is in 4-1. The White Bow is in 4-2.
The Compound Long Bow is in 4-1. The White Bow is in 4-2.
I stand corrected. I did get my long bow from 4-1. dlm, you only need to take a little risk in 4-1 to get the best bow in the game (after you max it out), and a powerful magical sword -- assuming you play as Royal.
I did play as Royal since all indications were that it was the most flexible class and the most powerful early on.
That said I was probably spec'd wrong. I don't think I had any particular stats for bow skill. I'd probably have to start the game from scratch if I wanted to try to gear for bow usage, which sounds like zero fun whatsoever.
I'm not saying others shouldn't enjoy the game. I'm just saying that for what I like, this game was all the wrong sorts of difficulty. Too much repetitiveness, too much trial and error, too easy to "play it wrong" with no indication that you should have spec'd a certain way. I consider all of those to be horrifically bad design flaws, but I know there are people that enjoy that sort of stuff. I don't. In general I'm not a big fan of games that come with homework.
I did play as Royal since all indications were that it was the most flexible class and the most powerful early on.
That said I was probably spec'd wrong. I don't think I had any particular stats for bow skill. I'd probably have to start the game from scratch if I wanted to try to gear for bow usage, which sounds like zero fun whatsoever.
You want to increase dexterity for Sticky Compound Long Bow. The damage scales with your dex attribute.
I'm not saying others shouldn't enjoy the game. I'm just saying that for what I like, this game was all the wrong sorts of difficulty. Too much repetitiveness, too much trial and error, too easy to "play it wrong" with no indication that you should have spec'd a certain way. I consider all of those to be horrifically bad design flaws, but I know there are people that enjoy that sort of stuff. I don't. In general I'm not a big fan of games that come with homework.
In my view, anti-repetitiveness is exactly the reason why Demon's Souls was designed this way. I think the designer started with the intention to make a challenging/rewarding game first. That means people may die often. But instead of using same old check points, they chose to half your health. That's brilliant ! ^_^
It makes your second, third try more meaningful since you can't just play it like a simple trial and error game. You have to be more careful next time, plus you may get invaded suddenly (in human form).
It is indeed very easy to "play it wrong" because the game doesn't hand hold you. But it also makes the progress more scary and rewarding at the same time.
Unless you're crazy xbd, it's a game you need to research first. Once you have the right equipments, all it takes is your attention. I didn't die a lot in Demon's Souls in my first playthrough (May be 15-20 times). That's because I watch every step I took. Once I get to the boss, I have already unlocked the shortcut(s). So getting back to them is quicker. If you read the guide, you can find hidden shortcuts too (e.g., there is one from 4-1 straight to 4-4). ;-)
Dark Souls is a much bigger world, so the designer switches to bon-fire as a checkpoint tool. But knowing them, there's probably some downside to using bon-fire as well. :lol:
Dark Souls is a much bigger world, so the designer switches to bon-fire as a checkpoint tool. But knowing them, there's probably some downside to using bon-fire as well. :lol:
From what I hear, once you start from a bonfire checkpoint, all enemies are reset.
From what I hear, once you start from a bonfire checkpoint, all enemies are reset.
That's no big deal. The enemies reset every time you entered a world in the first game, but you always had to start from the beginning of the level anyway, so it's still an improvement :)
Patsu, maybe if I get bored after re-playing Catherine, then finishing Gunslinger and Batman, I'll give this another shot. We'll see. I find I have so much less time for games than I used to.
That's no big deal. The enemies reset every time you entered a world in the first game, but you always had to start from the beginning of the level anyway, so it's still an improvement :)
Bonfire would be handy for scouting large maps that are interlinked. The Demon's Souls maps are not that big, and you enter the realms from the Nexus.
I vaguely remember there are also other positive attributes attached to the bonfire. Anyway, I will find out next week. :-)
Patsu, maybe if I get bored after re-playing Catherine, then finishing Gunslinger and Batman, I'll give this another shot. We'll see. I find I have so much less time for games than I used to.
It's really up to you ! There are other hidden surprises and twists in the game. You'll only see them when you progress far enough.
Cornsnake
30-Sep-2011, 23:42
What better way to prepare for Dark Souls then to play some Demon's Souls.
I finally had the good fortune to be invaded, but lost. Still had a good fight though.
I killed Penetrator on NG+, with a little help.
Yea, I couldn't do much against a better human fighter. Usually they are more agile, and can deal more damage. Most of the time, I died from my own mistakes though (Mostly from falling).
Cornsnake
01-Oct-2011, 10:43
My own abilities may have been hindering me as well. The camera and lock-on always takes a little getting used too. It was a good fight though. He used an axe with curse weapon against me, and plenty of fast dodging. I used my dragon claymore and uchigatana. I almost had him at one point.
I was invaded just as I was about to open up the shortcut, so I hardly lost any progress.
It's annoying seeing people post about playing Dark Souls and not being able to join in myself. And trying to keep myself from watching all the videos of it that probably just full of spoilers. :sad:
Just 6 more days now.
Reviews are up for Dark Souls! Some very impressive scoring indeed!
My own abilities may have been hindering me as well. The camera and lock-on always takes a little getting used too. It was a good fight though. He used an axe with curse weapon against me, and plenty of fast dodging. I used my dragon claymore and uchigatana. I almost had him at one point.
I was invaded just as I was about to open up the shortcut, so I hardly lost any progress.
It's annoying seeing people post about playing Dark Souls and not being able to join in myself. And trying to keep myself from watching all the videos of it that probably just full of spoilers. :sad:
Just 6 more days now.
:lol:
In my experiences...
Usually within a few strokes, It's easy to see who's the stronger fighter. The best fighters can attack, roll and backstab quickly. At which point, there's this sinking feeling of "Fine, you can take my $$$ you jerk".
In cases where it's not quite clear, it usually drags on to chewing glasses and potions. The less patient (or more nervous) one would usually lose, coz he's more likely to make mistakes.
And I just heard Dark Souls' monsters can shut off your shortcut (as in close the short cut gate you just opened). I have no way to verify it yet. Beware !
RenegadeRocks
08-Oct-2011, 06:27
Are the servers for Demons Souls still up? I heard long time back that they were going to shut down the servers and online play would stop working then. But that was around march, so whats the latest on it? Can we still play online in Demons SOuls.
I am asking cos this website here (http://intencity.in/itemselect.do?titemCode=2319) is selling brand new copy for about 50% off and considering that Demons SOuls has more of that SOTC look to it, I thought maybe I should try it out before Dark Souls !
Atlus continues Demon's Souls server support into 2012:
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/22/atlus-continues-demons-souls-server-support-into-2012/
In an announcement timed suspiciously closely to the release of a totally unrelated game (wink!), Atlus announced that it's going to continue operating the servers for Demon's Souls "into 2012." They had previously only been ensured operation until October of this year.
...
RenegadeRocks
08-Oct-2011, 08:25
Atlus continues Demon's Souls server support into 2012:
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/22/atlus-continues-demons-souls-server-support-into-2012/
Hey ! That article lists the price as $20 !!!!! The discounted price I saw came to around $30 after 41% discount ! WTF :evil: !
This is the cheapest I could find : http://www.play-asia.com/Demons_Souls_Greatest_Hits/paOS-13-71-bp-49-en-70-3z1e.html#reviews
:lol: Did you buy the game ?
RenegadeRocks
08-Oct-2011, 09:04
Not yet ! Still fighting inside my head :oops:, damnit I still haven't bought my clothes for my wedding :oops: ! I have to wait till my wedding is over :mad:! Control yourself Renegade !
:lol:
May I suggest you take care of the wedding needs first ?
You're developing a game right ? You can get your partners to buy Or rent a copy for research. :runaway:
RenegadeRocks
08-Oct-2011, 18:27
May I suggest you take care of the wedding needs first ?
You're developing a game right ? You can get your partners to buy Or rent a copy for research. :runaway:
Its just me n my programmer who are investing, Guess who he will ask to fund it :lol:
RenegadeRocks
10-Oct-2011, 07:01
http://wikigameguides.com/Blogs/Johnny-Lightning/ATLUS-gives-players-a-reason-to-dust-off-their-copies-of-Demons-Souls
ATLUS is doing everything to get some new sales on the momentum generated by Dark Souls ! Good for people like me who want to spend less and like the "look" of Demons Souls more than that of Dark Souls.
You can grab pretty powerful weapons and items in Pure White or Black World Tendency.
You can google for their location.
RenegadeRocks
10-Oct-2011, 11:19
You can grab pretty powerful weapons and items in Pure White or Black World Tendency.
You can google for their location.
I am getting a copy from Playasia. Its the cheapest there, atleast for us Indians. The only issue being the Manual is in Chinese, so I won't get any help from there :sad: ! It will be a week, till then I'll dabble in FFXIII.
You can use this wiki:
http://ps3.ign.com/objects/092/092176.html
The GAF Demon's Souls thread is also full of good advices and funny stories.
OTOH, the Dark Souls wiki has a few errors. Don't trust what you read there entirely.
RenegadeRocks
17-Oct-2011, 12:36
Recieved my copy today. Haven't had time to put it in my ps3 though. And what a horrible box art for the Aisa Platinum version. Its all white with a pic of the box art in the centre ....ewwww...! I guess its on purposeto make people feel that they are missing something if they don't buy the original version.
What class should I choose to start with?
Brad Grenz
17-Oct-2011, 13:05
I picked up a copy recently, riding the hype of Dark Souls. Can't afford $60 right now, but I found Demon's Souls online for $13 and figured I could start there. I went with a Royal, which is supposed to be the easiest class to start with. So far I've cleared 1-1, 2-1 and the crazy lady in the hood who is appearing in 1-1 right now thanks to the pure white tendency event. It took me a while to get my feet under me, but I'm feeling pretty confident going through 1-2 right now.
The Maiden in Black should be in that new PS3 commercial. :-P
RenegadeRocks
17-Oct-2011, 20:21
I have got a cross bow, but when I equip it and press R1, he doesn't shoot just does some animation with it I don't understand :???: !! How do I use it ?
Played it for 2hours 38mins straight and had amazing amazing fun. My nephew had come over as a surprise and my nephew and niece watched as I played and we had so much fun ! I have. Reached the part where you can see the dragon sitting in the distance. I came back voluntarily from there, with the 3000 souls I had and upgraded my sword to Long Sword +1 !
I have a Bastard Sword which it tells me I can't. Weild with one had, and. Shield too which it tells me that I can't use with one hand. But if I do equip them, they appear in my hand and I can swing it too. Haven't tried against a real enemy though.
How do I level up my character?
Oh! BTW, I had played the initial section before on a borrowed copy without a net connection, about 6-7 months back. The game is so much tougher without the messages to warn you, and somehow , this time the game feels so much easier than before ! Maybe cos this time I am a Knight, the last time I was a Wanderer. Maybe the Knight is just better with swords or something.
I have got a cross bow, but when I equip it and press R1, he doesn't shoot just does some animation with it I don't understand :???: !! How do I use it ?
Cross bow is like regular weapon. After wielding it with 2 hands, you click the lock-on stick and fire.
However its range is short. Too short to be useful.
Try to find a real bow instead. The range is longer and you can go into first person view, plus zoom in/out. Very handy for scouting. There is a good bow in 4-2
Played it for 2hours 38mins straight and had amazing amazing fun. My nephew had come over as a surprise and my nephew and niece watched as I played and we had so much fun ! I have. Reached the part where you can see the dragon sitting in the distance. I came back voluntarily from there, with the 3000 souls I had and upgraded my sword to Long Sword +1 !
I have a Bastard Sword which it tells me I can't. Weild with one had, and. Shield too which it tells me that I can't use with one hand. But if I do equip them, they appear in my hand and I can swing it too. Haven't tried against a real enemy though.
Be careful about equipments. You should not carry more than 50% of your max. equip weight. Otherwise you'll be very clumsy in the game.
How do I level up my character?
Talk to the Maiden in Black after you defeated the first boss.
Oh! BTW, I had played the initial section before on a borrowed copy without a net connection, about 6-7 months back. The game is so much tougher without the messages to warn you, and somehow , this time the game feels so much easier than before ! Maybe cos this time I am a Knight, the last time I was a Wanderer. Maybe the Knight is just better with swords or something.
Yap ! It's also fun to play with a friend watching during a boss fight. I had to pull my chair away from him coz a friend gripped it too hard. We were both screaming and yelling too. ^_^
RenegadeRocks
18-Oct-2011, 12:15
Killed my first demon !!!!!!!!!!!!! The Phalanx Demon is DEAD ! Rejoice people of Boletaria ! :cool: !
Also, levelled up my strength, Dexterity, Luck and something else which increased my Stamina. Almost spent all of my souls there, levelling up some attributes multiple times. Wonder how I will repair my sword now :???: !
Where do I go from here? What is the Door to Pantheon up at top? Will I lose my body if I die now? What is the benefit of having the body, except for a longer health bar, ?
Am I a Hero Now ? :D
Cornsnake
18-Oct-2011, 16:48
The blacksmith in the nexus can repair your weapons.
After 1-1, 2-1 is probably the place you'll want to visit next.
The door to the Pantheon leads to the Pantheon. :shock: It's a place where you can see other players performances in the game. A sort of leaderboards.
After regaining your body you'll lose it as soon as you die. One of the main advantages of being in body form is that you can summon other players to help you beat the current level.
Killed my first demon !!!!!!!!!!!!! The Phalanx Demon is DEAD ! Rejoice people of Boletaria ! :cool: !
Am I a Hero Now ? :D
[Sniggle]
Dude, you have a l-o-n-g~ way to go. :lol:
Have you seen the message, "The real Demon's Souls starts here" yet ?
One of the main advantages of being in body form is that you can summon other players to help you beat the current level.
Another is that you'll make cool clock sounds walking around the Nexus floor.
RenegadeRocks
19-Oct-2011, 05:49
[Sniggle]
Dude, you have a l-o-n-g~ way to go. :lol:
Have you seen the message, "The real Demon's Souls starts here" yet ?
I know I know ! I was just basking in the moment and having a laugh while at it :razz: !
I saw that message where you meet the NPC in the Castle who asks for your help, but that was easy, two firebombs did the trick for me. I think the blue-Eyed Knight is more of a challenge than that. He is also manageable if you have firebombs or turpentine to set your sword on fire.
BTW, I attacked the vendor in the castle just to see what happens and looks like he is an ewnemy for forever now. Everytime I go to him now, He just comes out to kill me :lol: ! I hope it wasn't a big mistake to make hi an enemy, it was done all in good fun :winK: !
:facepalm: NPCs in Demon's Souls do not forget. They will be hostile towards you for the rest of the game. If you kill them, that's it. They will never come back.
The only exception is Maiden in Black. You can kill her, but she will revive.
RenegadeRocks
19-Oct-2011, 12:11
Aaaah ! How the fuck am I going to kill that Tower Knight ?!?!?!! :shock:
Umm...was it wise of me to go back to the same Castle after all the Stones opened up? or should I go to the new worlds , gain more power, level up and then come back for this Tower KNight ? I guessed te newer worlds might be even tougher than the Castle so I went back to explore it more and found the bloody Tower Knight !
Brad Grenz
19-Oct-2011, 12:15
Classic mistake. Go to the burrow, colloquially known as 2-1 on the internets and you should have an easier time.
RenegadeRocks
19-Oct-2011, 12:19
Which one is 2-1?
Brad Grenz
19-Oct-2011, 12:23
It's the one just up the steps to the right of the castle's touchstone thingy in the nexus. It's the burrow king stonefang tunnel one.
RenegadeRocks
19-Oct-2011, 12:29
Aye Aye Captain ! Will head over there, that means my souls which are lying at the feet of the Tower Knight are lost :( !
EDIT: I think I'll try just one more time :oops: !
No more news from him.
It seems he didn't make it back. :lol:
Muahahaa ! I <3 watching new people getting thrashed by Tower Knight ! :twisted:
EDIT:
Hey RenegadeRocks, are you still alive ? [echo... echo... echo...]
RenegadeRocks
20-Oct-2011, 08:37
No more news from him.
It seems he didn't make it back. :lol:
Muahahaa ! I <3 watching new people getting thrashed by Tower Knight ! :twisted:
EDIT:
Hey RenegadeRocks, are you still alive ? [echo... echo... echo...]
Yeah ! Yeah ! The Renegade is still alive ! But thats cos he still hasn't visited the knight yet :lol: ! Didn't get time to get into the game again yet.maybe tomorrow. I think I'll go straight for the Tower Knight again. The issue is that the sucker is guarded by tow Blue Eyed Knights before you can enter his arena. Tackling two of them together along with archers and soldiers is a bit of a difficulty as I don't have any firebombs either ! Last time I just ran through them and touched the fog, not knowing what lies ahead ! I think i'll do the same thing gain, just charge through those Blue eyed KNights and into the Tower Knight arena, the point is I have no idea what to do next as I dided as soon as I entered last time :oops: ! I will run around and see if I can find a way to those archers on top.
Does the KNight require some special power to be killed or if I go through now I have a chance of trumping him?
I forgot. What is your class ?
The easiest way is to use ranged attack.
If you're using melee, it's best to try other world first. 2-1 is a good next step. After that you can try 4-2 if you're adventurous. You can get good items early to help you progress faster.
RenegadeRocks
20-Oct-2011, 11:29
I am a Knight. I did get a Bow when I was going towards the Tower knight, under the bridge. uh ! Don't know what its exactly called. I tried using it against the Dragon, but then realised that I just have to time my run and move accross the bridge.
It's a Compound Short Bow. You can kill the dragon for extra souls if you want. But it may be easier if you kill it after getting the Compound Long Bow from 4-2.
Cornsnake
20-Oct-2011, 19:35
It's a Compound Short Bow. You can kill the dragon for extra souls if you want. But it may be easier if you kill it after getting the Compound Long Bow from 4-2.
Beware of false messages.
The Compound Long Bow is in 4-1.
:lol: I keep saying 4-2. ^_^
RenegadeRocks
21-Oct-2011, 06:16
Ah ! So that was patsu's evil plan to send me to certain death ! I gotta be cautious now, everyone's out for souls here , eh ! :wink:
You're already dead when you set foot in Boletaria. Remember what happened in the tutorial ? ^_^
Brad Grenz
22-Oct-2011, 14:57
I made that tower knight my bitch tonight. And then I was cruising in 3-1, made it down to the first floor in the prison, killed a weird, giant, magic-shooting dust bunny and then promptly walked off an edge trying to chase a crystal gecko. It so stressful in the moment, but all grins in retrospect. I think that's the magic with these games.
RenegadeRocks
22-Oct-2011, 17:46
I made that tower knight my bitch tonight. And then I was cruising in 3-1, made it down to the first floor in the prison, killed a weird, giant, magic-shooting dust bunny and then promptly walked off an edge trying to chase a crystal gecko. It so stressful in the moment, but all grins in retrospect. I think that's the magic with these games.
What strategy did you follow for the Knight?
Ranged attack ! Soul arrows work well. It's an entry level magic.
For melee, watch YouTube for a demo.
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