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I got this mail few hours ago from ATI:
Exclusive Look at Half-Life 2® at E3
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ATI Presents the first ever public viewing of Half-Life 2® by Valve.
If you are attending E3, do not miss ATI's exclusive presentation of Half-Life 2® at E3 featured on Dell™ Dimension™ XPS.
Visit ATI at Booth #646
E3
Los Angeles Convention Center, South Hall
May 14th - 16th, 2003
and on the link:
http://mirror.ati.com/images/ecampaign/hl2-e3/e3_2.jpg
PS: SO far, that's all about NV-exclusivity... :p
I'm not suprised, the 8500 retail came with CS, HL and TFC.
IceKnight
02-May-2003, 06:20
Thats good to know, at least good to know for paranoid anti nvidia guys.
People have to recognize, how far ati has gone, any chance this could happen a year ago? no way.
People have to recognize, how far ati has gone, any chance this could happen a year ago? no way
It did happen a year ago. Don't you remember doom3 being shown on an r300 at e3 last year?
martrox
02-May-2003, 12:08
People have to recognize, how far ati has gone, any chance this could happen a year ago? no way
It did happen a year ago. Don't you remember doom3 being shown on an r300 at e3 last year?
2 years ago????? :wink: :shock: :lol:
John Reynolds
02-May-2003, 12:27
People have to recognize, how far ati has gone, any chance this could happen a year ago? no way
It did happen a year ago. Don't you remember doom3 being shown on an r300 at e3 last year?
Yea, but ATi had working next-gen. metal last year whereas Nvidia didn't, so IMO this is more of a win for them than Doom 3 at last year's E3.
Here is a full package of HL2 movies - 210MB!
http://www.hardwired.hu/dl.hw?id=1347&dl=1
Unbe-fuckin'-lievable! :shock: :shock: :shock:
For me, D]|[ could be only 2nd...
Johnny Rotten
15-May-2003, 05:42
Truly amazing. Comes out of nowhere and levels, I mean LEVELS the playing field. Across all platforms.
Oy!
That link went down as I was DL'ing.:(
Anywhere else I can find that pack?
demalion
15-May-2003, 10:39
OK, it is a bit flabbergasting.
There was some discussion here, I think associated with geomod, and shadowing and physics, and the future of gaming. I came away with this "fantasy" about an engine that didn't just have physics and shadowing, but material properties possible for every object, and that opened up what could be possible in a game to a degree I wished I could see.
And that wish looks like it is about to be granted.
Wowsers.
Hey, but maybe the completely deformable terrain possibility is completely unachieved...I've only watched a few movies...in which case maybe I'll stop having to pick my jaw up constantly. :P
Nick[FM]
15-May-2003, 13:07
The HL2 movies are jawdropping.. No matter what HW was running the show, the GAME rocks! :shock: I'm still wiping the drool from my table..
martrox
15-May-2003, 13:11
Ummm....I can't get there....I can't see them...... It's a dasterdly attempt by nVidia to not let me see them :wink: .... yea, that's it!
BTW, any other place to see these.... I want to drool too!
Nick[FM]
15-May-2003, 13:26
BTW, any other place to see these.... I want to drool too!
Yes, if you are a IGN Insider. :wink: There are 4 movies, and they show actual in-game content. The physics, AI, graphics etc are all simply amazing! The only bad in the movies is the use of the crowbar. It looks like the player only "nods" the crowbar instead of swinging it (HL1 style). It looks dumb, but that's not a big issue.
Can't wait for the game to hit the shelves!
Rodéric
15-May-2003, 16:47
]It looks like the player only "nods" the crowbar instead of swinging it (HL1 style). It looks dumb, but that's not a big issue.
I saw it as a tribute to half-life. The only thing that doesn't change between the two games :)
Johnny Rotten
15-May-2003, 18:20
Gamespot has 9 30 megish videos. Stunning. Every single one of them. STUNNING. I dont have any direct links or anything, but you if spend a couple of minutes at shacknews.com you should be able to find them.
I'm in somewhat of a state of shock to be perfectly frank.
Yes, ditto. The vids are mind-blowing - beyond my wildest expectations for HL2, I must admit.
MuFu.
Oy!
That link went down as I was DL'ing.:(
Anywhere else I can find that pack?
?
It's working fine from here (US East Coast).
Nick[FM]
16-May-2003, 10:03
]It looks like the player only "nods" the crowbar instead of swinging it (HL1 style). It looks dumb, but that's not a big issue.
I saw it as a tribute to half-life. The only thing that doesn't change between the two games :)
But I liked the way Gordon was swinging it around in HL1. In the HL2 video Gordon simply "nods" the crowbar, instead of that reckless swinging..
I WANT THE SWINGING CROWBAR BACK! Maybe a petition online would help! :wink: j/k
martrox
16-May-2003, 11:07
I finally got the down load........."DROOL"!
Doom 3 who?
Dave Glue
16-May-2003, 14:55
Yes, ditto. The vids are mind-blowing - beyond my wildest expectations for HL2, I must admit.
MuFu.
Same here. Game of the show IMO. Every other game, while graphically impressive, looks pedestrian by comparison - and I'd even say that for Halo2 & Doom3 (though both look like a lot of fun, Doom3 less so).
This level of interaction was something I never could have expected. And to think of what the mod community will be able to do! We'll be playing with this engine for years.
(Yes, they have to fix that crowbar animation)
When the corpse was flung around and then used to knock that pile of junk into the water it put the BIGGEST smile on my face. :D
MuFu.
bystander
16-May-2003, 20:32
Blueyonder in the UK has an ftp with nine vids of Half-life 2 (in QuickTime format) right here (ftp://gamefiles.blueyonder.co.uk/blueyondergames/trailers/halflife2/)
McElvis
17-May-2003, 00:36
Does Half-life 2 use any DX9 tech, or is it mostly DX7/DX8 like Doom3?
THANX bystander those vids are awsome!
Windfire
17-May-2003, 05:43
That was so hot I can hardly believe it!
That was unbelievable! I'm sorry, but in my opinion this leaves Doom in the dust.
bystander
17-May-2003, 09:18
THANX bystander those vids are awsome!
No problem :)
vrecan do you get any sound in those videos? I can't seem to hear any sound at all. :(
Totally awesome, i really hope it wont end to be an engine show, seems quite funny though.
But.. since im still shocked by the SUCKYness of unreal 2, one of the most awaited games for me, im now more pessimist about games :/
Mariner
17-May-2003, 13:57
Bloody hell! Those video clips are amazing. My one worry is that it looks damn hard!
I'm due to build a new system during the next month or two and it looks as though I'll have to go for 1GB memory instead of 512MB - I reckon an engine of that complexity will require a fair bit of juice!
Does Half-life 2 use any DX9 tech, or is it mostly DX7/DX8 like Doom3?
In the video presentation (http://www.gamespot.com/cgi/chkpt.php?c=movie_ftp_914642&u=http%3A%2F%2Fburnad isc.gamespot.com%3A8080%2Fgscomplete%2F2003%2F05%2 Fe32k3-halflife2_pce32003_1dn_qt.zip%3Fpath%3D2003%2F05%2 Fe32k3-halflife2_pce32003_1dn_qt.zip) showcasing their engine Gabe Newell said that what you saw there was what you could expect out of a ATI Radeon 9800 PRO. I'd think they have shaders for DX 8 aswell as for DX 9 (and non-shader rendering for sub DX 8 hardware).
Cheers
Gubbi
RussSchultz
17-May-2003, 15:45
Of course, the presentation was a bit of a PR platform sponsored by ATI, so they may have been just been pimping the 9800, and not mentioning that any DX8.x card can do the same effects (albeit slower). Or not.
Personally, I was most impressed with the physics rather than the rendering. Eat your heart out Trespasser.
Clashman
17-May-2003, 16:00
Any clue as to how this was running? What kind of hardware, (other than the 9800), resolution, AA, framerate, etc? I think I remember it being said that the final would run at 70 fps on a GF4 4200 at 1024x768. If that's true, Carmack's gotta be crying himself to sleep. Getting that kind of detail at that performance level would be amazing, IMO a technical feat far surpassing anything D3 is going to end up bringing to the table.
Windfire
17-May-2003, 16:03
Of course, the presentation was a bit of a PR platform sponsored by ATI, so they may have been just been pimping the 9800, and not mentioning that any DX8.x card can do the same effects (albeit slower). Or not.
Personally, I was most impressed with the physics rather than the rendering. Eat your heart out Trespasser.
Yes, the physics were amazing.
I also hope your 9800 pimping was correct... I have a 9800 but it would be very nice if it wasn't actually required--more breathing room that way. In fact, I'm still a bit take-back that they could have the type of visual/texture detail, polygon count (those buildings!) and also have a great physics engine.
If this game doesn't require a state-of-the-art box then it puts to shame just about everything else.
I played Unreal Tournament 2003 last night and while it looks quite good, it looks cartoony and sad in comparison.
Any clue as to how this was running? What kind of hardware, (other than the 9800), resolution, AA, framerate, etc? I think I remember it being said that the final would run at 70 fps on a GF4 4200 at 1024x768. If that's true, Carmack's gotta be crying himself to sleep. Getting that kind of detail at that performance level would be amazing, IMO a technical feat far surpassing anything D3 is going to end up bringing to the table.
Valve stated that they used an extensive LOD system to allow the game to run on even low end hardware. Otherwise a XBox version would be alot of extra work.
D3 is all about visual fidelity, HL2 is gameplay gameplay gameplay.
Cheers
Gubbi
Windfire
17-May-2003, 16:08
D3 is all about visual fidelity, HL2 is gameplay gameplay gameplay.
After seeing those videos I think I have to disagree. Compared to the confined poorly lit (dark, I understand the lighting is hot) rooms of D3, these HL2 videos are stunning. I much prefer the authentic look these have. D3 even looks kind of cartoony compared to these HL2 videos.
D3 is all about visual fidelity, HL2 is gameplay gameplay gameplay.
After seeing those videos I think I have to disagree. Compared to the confined poorly lit (dark, I understand the lighting is hot) rooms of D3, these HL2 videos are stunning. I much prefer the authentic look these have. D3 even looks kind of cartoony compared to these HL2 videos.
D3 had me thinking of Alien (the first movie). It's going to be a paranoia fest. I still think that the lighting/shadowing combined with the bumpmapping produces a higher level of graphical quality/fidelity.
But Valve certainly uses their engine well. However the lighting model is not as extensive as that of D3. Dynamic entities only appears to cast shadows on static geometry (if at all). Out door shadows appear to be good ol' fashioned shadowmaps (and not projected).
Graphically I think both games will be very immersive.
Valve just seems to have a much better grasp on gameplay; the way they integrate the physics capabilities into gameplay is likely to set the standard for games to come.
Cheers
Gubbi
LeStoffer
17-May-2003, 21:08
D3 had me thinking of Alien (the first movie). It's going to be a paranoia fest. I still think that the lighting/shadowing combined with the bumpmapping produces a higher level of graphical quality/fidelity.
But Valve certainly uses their engine well. However the lighting model is not as extensive as that of D3. Dynamic entities only appears to cast shadows on static geometry (if at all). Out door shadows appear to be good ol' fashioned shadowmaps (and not projected).
Graphically I think both games will be very immersive.
Valve just seems to have a much better grasp on gameplay; the way they integrate the physics capabilities into gameplay is likely to set the standard for games to come.
Cheers
Gubbi
What the man says! 8)
The physics capabilities of HalfLife 2 promise to set level of interactive glory that could well make most other games feel too constrained and thus unrealistic.
I think this is where Valve shines. It's not the ground breaking code/performance really. It's the high accessibility and emergent gameplay. They did this with HL and the AI. I suspect with more AI refinements and the introduction of great physics and deformable levels.
It won't necessarily be the whole story which makes the single player great, but it'll be memorable moments which took place due to the AI, physics and dynamic world. This will carry forward into multiplayer as well.
THANX bystander those vids are awsome!
No problem :)
vrecan do you get any sound in those videos? I can't seem to hear any sound at all. :( sorry just got around to readin' but yea I have sound in all of them, these vids in my opinion look a lot nicer then the doom3 alpha but that doesn't really mean anything. I am guessing they are holding back on showing more of the newer build for the shock factor when it comes out so hard to judge right now.
Here is the full E3 movie in one part, HQ, no dropout, perfect sound - The Movie of Half-Life 2:
http://hw.groove.hu/half_life_2_full_gsi.zip - 506MB
Windfire
18-May-2003, 20:39
Here is the full E3 movie in one part, HQ, no dropout, perfect sound - The Movie of Half-Life 2:
http://hw.groove.hu/half_life_2_full_gsi.zip - 506MB
I'm getting a wopping 1.4kb/sec! :( Anyone have a better link to this 500MB version?
if you use newsgroups its been posted in alt.binaries.games.worms also!
Here is the full E3 movie in one part, HQ, no dropout, perfect sound - The Movie of Half-Life 2:
http://hw.groove.hu/half_life_2_full_gsi.zip - 506MB
I'm getting a wopping 1.4kb/sec! :( Anyone have a better link to this 500MB version?
Yeah, they're getting hammered... ;)
Originally it's from GaySpy: http://www.fileplanet.com/download.aspx?f=123983
ehm, i dont hear any sound ? (Qt 6.0 here)
ehm, i dont hear any sound ? (Qt 6.0 here)
Had the same problem when I used the web installer for QT, but the standalone version worked.
I tried a custom install from the standalone installer because QT has a bad habit of associating itself with alot of file-types it isn't supposed to. The result was no sound in .mov media.
I then uninstalled QT and installed it again (from the same stand alone installer) with the "recommended" settings and everything worked.
Now it opens .png files in Quicktime in IE.... :evil:
Cheers
Gubbi
RussSchultz
19-May-2003, 15:55
I hate quicktime. It co-opts parts of your system (like png's) and always has that damn popup until you buy it.
I wish they'd never publish anything in that. (There's also a private place in hell for people who publish with .rm)
demalion
19-May-2003, 16:46
Hmm...odd, my QT viewer is well behaved. I think I updated it using the built in update function, maybe that let it keep my preferences. It is only associated with some graphics files, and lets other programs coopt it peacefully, it seems. The only thing checked is "Macintosh file types", and that stuck through an update I just tried (to see if it was my version that allowed it to behave better), which doesn't include .png. So, you should be able to easily deselect that, but you might need something like irfanview installed to easily associate files with as an alternative.
Windfire
20-May-2003, 00:46
I hate quicktime. It co-opts parts of your system (like png's) and always has that damn popup until you buy it.
I wish they'd never publish anything in that. (There's also a private place in hell for people who publish with .rm)
I have to agree with you whole-heartedly on both counts in this case! :)
John Reynolds
20-May-2003, 02:34
ftp://194.109.6.22/pub/Games/misc/hl2/half_life_2_full_gsi.zip
Just watched it. I was absolutely blown away by both the technology demonstrated and the gameplay potential. This game just rocketed to the top of my most eagerly anticipated list.
Windfire
20-May-2003, 04:29
ftp://194.109.6.22/pub/Games/misc/hl2/half_life_2_full_gsi.zip
Just watched it. I was absolutely blown away by both the technology demonstrated and the gameplay potential. This game just rocketed to the top of my most eagerly anticipated list.
I've successfully downloaded and played the 600MB version and it is superb--the video is a bit darker, but great.
Yes, talk about surprise. HL2 looks to be the hit of the year IMHO. And amazingly enough, it isn't just in one area. This game seems to excel in character facial animation, in texture details, in physics and in overall realism.
The 50MB Doom III video is impressive, but like I said earlier, it just isn't as real looking--and I doubt we'll have the larger more life-like environments demonstrated in the HL2 videos. Also, you would think that id would eventually tire of skulls and overt evil (fyi, I haven't seen any pentagrams, but I'm sure they'll be there). :wink:
Mariner
20-May-2003, 10:45
I must say that I think the animation of characters/beasties in Half-Life 2 looks better than that of Doom 3 from what I've seen in those videos.
Does QT junk ("junk" is really a compliment for it) crash very often for you guys too ?
<censored>
@#@#@# @#@€@#@€! #@#@$$$ pile of #@% @$ $!$"£$£"
</censored>
argh....
Gubbi, yeah it worked, scary though. :)
Windfire
21-May-2003, 00:51
Does QT junk ("junk" is really a compliment for it) crash very often for you guys too ?
Gubbi, yeah it worked, scary though. :)
Yes, every time I try to drag the window while it is playing it crashes! Ugh.
I've successfully downloaded and played the 600MB version and it is superb--the video is a bit darker, but great.
Finally a really complete version too, all vids I had seen before were missing one thing or the part of the presentation, not this one, worth every byte of the d/l...
Yes, talk about surprise. HL2 looks to be the hit of the year IMHO. And amazingly enough, it isn't just in one area. This game seems to excel in character facial animation, in texture details, in physics and in overall realism.
Couldn't agree more! All of a sudden september 30th can't come soon enough! ;)
The 50MB Doom III video is impressive, but like I said earlier, it just isn't as real looking--and I doubt we'll have the larger more life-like environments demonstrated in the HL2 videos. Also, you would think that id would eventually tire of skulls and overt evil (fyi, I haven't seen any pentagrams, but I'm sure they'll be there). :wink:
I think we have to give id some credit here, after all they're currently one of teh last developers who's not hopped onto the "realism" train and I think that's a good thing. There are so many real-world or pseudo-realistic shooters out there or in development that I'm actually looking forward to some stupid but visually jawdropping sci-fi-hell of a game, its been a while since I played one of those! That doesn't change the fact that the HL2 impressions from this year's E3 have left me far more impressed than anything Doom 3 had to show though...
Does QT junk ("junk" is really a compliment for it) crash very often for you guys too ?
Gubbi, yeah it worked, scary though. :)
Yes, every time I try to drag the window while it is playing it crashes! Ugh.
Media player classic, like some1 pointer in other thread, plays .RM and even .QT (probably provided u have installed quicktime, but the big deal is to avoid the <sorry moderators, have to say wholeheartly> FUCKING qt player </sorry moderators, have to say wholeheartly> ).
http://www.gabest.org/mpc.php
Windfire
22-May-2003, 00:46
Media player classic, like some1 pointer in other thread, plays .RM and even .QT (probably provided u have installed quicktime).
http://www.gabest.org/mpc.php
I take it you like this utility? I've never heard of it. Anyone else used it and confirm it isn't a mess waiting to happen? :)
Windfire
22-May-2003, 00:49
I think we have to give id some credit here, after all they're currently one of teh last developers who's not hopped onto the "realism" train and I think that's a good thing. There are so many real-world or pseudo-realistic shooters out there or in development that I'm actually looking forward to some stupid but visually jawdropping sci-fi-hell of a game, its been a while since I played one of those! That doesn't change the fact that the HL2 impressions from this year's E3 have left me far more impressed than anything Doom 3 had to show though...
You are correct. Realism isn't everything that is for sure. I just get tired of id's morbid singular facination with the same thing (skulls, pentagrams, etc.). Personally, it turns me off.
I take it you like this utility? I've never heard of it. Anyone else used it and confirm it isn't a mess waiting to happen? :)
Go on, its just an exe, it doesnt install nor change anything in the registry :)
Strange, QT6 has been fairly flawless for me (the occasional crash, but no more than Sasami2K). Just open the file and hit CTRL-3 to full-screen it. Pity you can't overlay with black borders, but the HL2 video is widescreen, so it pretty much covers my desktop.
Tim Murray
26-May-2003, 05:09
ftp://194.109.6.22/pub/Games/misc/hl2/half_life_2_full_gsi.zip
Just watched it. I was absolutely blown away by both the technology demonstrated and the gameplay potential. This game just rocketed to the top of my most eagerly anticipated list.
I've successfully downloaded and played the 600MB version and it is superb--the video is a bit darker, but great.
Yes, talk about surprise. HL2 looks to be the hit of the year IMHO. And amazingly enough, it isn't just in one area. This game seems to excel in character facial animation, in texture details, in physics and in overall realism.
The 50MB Doom III video is impressive, but like I said earlier, it just isn't as real looking--and I doubt we'll have the larger more life-like environments demonstrated in the HL2 videos. Also, you would think that id would eventually tire of skulls and overt evil (fyi, I haven't seen any
pentagrams, but I'm sure they'll be there). :wink:
Actually... there was a pentagram in the E3 intro from last year, I think. The scientist in the middle of the big symbol--I THINK it was a pentagram. Couldn't tell though.
Then again, as long as you get to blow up John Romero's head for the travesty that was Daikatana, I will buy seventy-three copies of Doom 3. Otherwise, probably just one.
But the G-Man is purdy.. I just saw that video yesterday. Mmmm.... I wonder if you'll be able to use the gravity gun to pick up people in multiplayer and slam them into walls repeatedly?
I can see it now... At the lan party...
Guy One: "Dude, that's my coke!"
Guy Two: "Oh well."
Guy One: *pulls out gravity gun* "Fine!" *picks up guy and slams his head into the wall about 37 times*
Guy Two: "Uh... you still have no coke."
Guy One: *cries*
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