"Microsoft, Games for Change Announce Global Warming Game Challenge"

[Wunderchu]

The student-led Games for Change challenge will launch this summer for participants across more than 100 countries, all competing to create the best XNA Game Studio Express title based on global warming.[source: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=14273 ]

[Todd33]

is this their answer to Folding@home?

I'll write a polar bear jumping to moving, shrinking ice chunks :wink:

[cthellis42]

I think someone's just going to reskin Ice Climbers with them on a beach, wearing swimsuits.

[Rangers]

is this their answer to Folding@home?

I'll write a polar bear jumping to moving, shrinking ice chunks :wink:

Actually folding at home would contribute to global warming so, maybe so...

Global warming AS SAID TO BE CAUSED BY MAN MADE EMMISIONS is a myth, IMO btw. I'm just saying, if it wasn't a myth.

Also, it's kind of funny a high powered console talking about preventing global warming...

[Darkon]

Actually folding at home would contribute to global warming so, maybe so...

Global warming is a myth, btw. I'm just saying, if it wasn't a myth.



Pardon....?


Also, it's kind of funny a high powered console talking about preventing global warming...

My thoughts exactly

[inefficient]

I'd vote for the the Red Ring of Death / packin your 360 coffin mini game combo as MS's best contributions to combat global warming.

The only green Xbox is a dead Xbox!
kidding

[Shifty Geezer]

Pardon....?Rangers appears to have edited his post. Global warming = true. Caused by people = questionable.

[AlStrong]

If only I had the money to hire Al Gore as a consultant.

[Fafalada]

Actually folding at home would contribute to global warming
Playing games contributes far far more. Especially when userbase is 3x larger :razz:

Seriously though, if there's any single software application that has contributed to global warming, it would be bittorrent (and other p2p software). People don't constantly leave their devices running 24/7 for folding,games, or anything else, but they do for downloading.

[Crossbar]

Rangers appears to have edited his post. Global warming = true. Caused by people = questionable.

By now I thought all scientific reports had removed any doubt left. Even the G8 countries recently came to an agreement to reduce the CO2-emissions. Say no more!

Anyways kudos to Microsoft for bringing this topic to the gaming space which will help spreading awareness of the problem.

This is the reason I will look for alternative fuels and not buy a larger car next time I change car. I will think twice before flying to far away places on my vacation as well. Someone will sooner or later be paying the price for the life we live today.

[RancidLunchmeat]

By now I thought all scientific reports had removed any doubt left. Even the G8 countries recently came to an agreement to reduce the CO2-emissions. Say no more!

Say no more? Do you actually know which countries comprise the G8?

If all man-made emissions were suddenly removed from the atmosphere, the resulting impact wouldn't even move the temperature of the earth a single degree.

Didn't realize that? Maybe you'd better do some more reading of 'all scientific reports'.

Anyway, I do find it extremely amusing that power hogs such as the 360 could do anything to prevent global warming.

Although, maybe if they put all that processing power to work on the situation, they'd come up with a plausible solution rather than SUVs are EVIL!

[Todd33]

If all man-made emissions were suddenly removed from the atmosphere, the resulting impact wouldn't even move the temperature of the earth a single degree.

Didn't realize that?

A single degree on a global scale is immense, but that's for another non-console thread.

[Shifty Geezer]

By now I thought all scientific reports had removed any doubt left.Not all reports. It's a discussion for elsewhere, but there's one experiement I saw that had me seriously doubting the theory of CO2 = warmer earth. They had two bottles of atmosphere left ot warm in the sun, and the one with the CO2 in was warmer than the bottle with normal air, right? This showed CO2 was a greenhouse gas. However, that was like 100% CO2, to get a degree or two warmer. So what's the effect of increasing the world's CO2 by 1%, which is the sort of change people can cause?

Scientific reports aren't themselves infallable, even when there's lots of them that agree. Every scientific theory we have now has overturned often centuries old ideas with themselves had lots of scientific papers proving and discussing them. Just because the greatest minds of the time all agreed the universe was made of four elements, didn't make it true.

Myself, I'm undecided on man-made CO2. I think there's some straight-forward research that can be done, but ordinarily scientists argue in that useless way of pointing out what's wrong with the counter-theories, without providing real proof of their own theories. We're left with scientists trying to prove themselves right rather than find the truth, and every so often keep offering contradictory information. But then this doesn't affect my ecological stance, because I believe in not wasting anything anyway and a symbiotic relationship with the world. Whether manmade global warming is an issue or not, I'll still cycle to work and switch off lights and not leave electrical appliances on standby on principle.

[Crossbar]

Say no more? Do you actually know which countries comprise the G8?

If all man-made emissions were suddenly removed from the atmosphere, the resulting impact wouldn't even move the temperature of the earth a single degree.

Didn't realize that? Maybe you'd better do some more reading of 'all scientific reports'.

Anyway, I do find it extremely amusing that power hogs such as the 360 could do anything to prevent global warming.

Although, maybe if they put all that processing power to work on the situation, they'd come up with a plausible solution rather than SUVs are EVIL!

I rarely use the expression but WTF?

Of course I was refering to all scientific reports that are presenting research showing the climate changes are man made. I was a regular reader of Nature 8-10 years ago (my wife was a subscriber) and it was pretty evident by then even though the world was in denial, since then the momentum of the reports have kept building up.

Of course you will always find some research pointing in the other direction and that is good, all theories should be questioned, but the momentum is definitely not in their favour. Very much the opposite and it seems to start getting accptance. I am glad some of the world leaders have shown some courage and leadership, very much to my surprise after all there might be some hope.

Oh, actually I failed on picking all 8 G8 countries, I failed on one, I was chosing between Spain and Canada and picked the wrong one. You got me there. :wink:

[aldo]

Anyone recall the size of those early consoles that Thag and his ilk were using when they melted those ginormous icecaps off of North America and Eurasia? Good times. :lol:

Myself, I'm undecided on man-made CO2. I think there's some straight-forward research that can be done, but ordinarily scientists argue in that useless way of pointing out what's wrong with the counter-theories, without providing real proof of their own theories. We're left with scientists trying to prove themselves right rather than find the truth, and every so often keep offering contradictory information. But then this doesn't affect my ecological stance, because I believe in not wasting anything anyway and a symbiotic relationship with the world. Whether manmade global warming is an issue or not, I'll still cycle to work and switch off lights and not leave electrical appliances on standby on principle.Shifty, I believe you're right on track. Objective science should not be sacrificed for an agenda. I believe we may even be seeing the start of a major backlash from scientists and climatologists who are tired of being bullied by an environmental agenda that automatically categorizes them as shills for the oil industry when they oppose the theory. Here's just a partial list of defectors: wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_asse ssment_of_global_warming)

Anyone that thinks that science has locked down the study of man's effect on the climate need only go back to the end of the gulf war when lead scientists and most notably Carl Sagan held a news conference emphatically warning of a nuclear winter like effect that would occur if the Iraqis lit up the Kuwaiti oil fields. I remember looking on in disbelief at the ridiculous spectacle feeling bad for a misguided and visibly alarmed Sagan of whom I was and still am a fan. If you do a little research you will see that the effects were completely negligible... even in the immediate area. Fortunately for Sagan, science and society have a way of overlooking such blunders, I suppose because they err on the side of cautionary concern much like global warming.

We should definitely continue to take steps to improve our environment, but most certainly properly objective science should never become the casualty of a political agenda.

-aldo

[Crossbar]

You´ve convinced me George Bush and Bill Gates are just being pushed around by some militant environmentalists.

BTW those lists means very little, you can make lists of professors from all over the world that will claim the holocoust never happened. Wait, maybe it didn´t. :twisted:

[Xalion]

If a company wants to pick some sort of "noble" or charitable cause to work on, I'm all for it. I guess you could argue possible impact all day, even for things like folding@home. I would rather give people the benefit of the doubt for trying to do something good.

[AlStrong]

Actually folding at home would contribute to global warming so, maybe so...


*cough* Back on topic... *cough* (Give these people air!)

MS obviously meant:

"Running F@H on PS3 will destroy our planet! Don't do it!"
"Do your part for the planet, get a 360!"

I'd love to see how much the internet itself has contributed to global warming (porn, WoW...). All those server rooms scare me. Similar to Terminator 3, the internet will be our doom. :cry:

[Shifty Geezer]

*cough* Back on topic... *cough* (Give these people air!)Topic's kinda hard to discuss. At least not without going into the politics of their decisions for games with agendas. The console side of the topic is 'there's a competition to create an XNA game' and short of people discussing ideas or their own progress, what else can be talked about?

[aldo]

You´ve convinced me George Bush and Bill Gates are just being pushed around by some militant environmentalists.

BTW those lists means very little, you can make lists of professors from all over the world that will claim the holocoust never happened. Wait, maybe it didn´t. :twisted:You’re right regarding the list, but it was just a partial list offered to anyone who may want to get some exposure to the other side of the argument in order to make an objective assessment. And I’m definitely not saying man-made global warming is a farce, I just believe there is reason to believe that the science may not be completely 100% accurate.

Here’s something to think about:

1) In the early seventies the scientific consensus was that we were heading into another ice age and scientific leaders were frustrated that the government would not heed their alarmist concerns. (Sound familiar.)

2) Lead scientists sounded the alarm erroneously predicting a nuclear winter effect due to the burning of Kuwaiti oil fields. (See earlier post)

Now what’s that saying? “Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me thrice....”

Of course if they’re right THIS time.... :shock::cry:

Take care all. I’m done posting in this thread.

-aldo

[Todd33]

You’re right regarding the list, but it was just a partial list offered to anyone who may want to get some exposure to the other side of the argument in order to make an objective assessment. And I’m definitely not saying man-made global warming is a farce, I just believe there is reason to believe that the science may not be completely 100% accurate.

Here’s something to think about:

1) In the early seventies the scientific consensus was that we were heading into another ice age and scientific leaders were frustrated that the government would not heed their alarmist concerns. (Sound familiar.)

2) Lead scientists sounded the alarm erroneously predicting a nuclear winter effect due to the burning of Kuwaiti oil fields. (See earlier post)

Now what’s that saying? “Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me thrice....”

Of course if they’re right THIS time.... :shock::cry:

Take care all. I’m done posting in this thread.

-aldo


1 & 2 were never scientific consensus. Your style of argument (ie. cherry picking) sounds like how creationist argue evolution is wrong. Anyone who has participated in the peer reviewed scientific process knows how much a joke a global conspiracy perpetrated by scientist is.

[Crossbar]

I just believe there is reason to believe that the science may not be completely 100% accurate.

Absolutely remember how some parts of Newtons laws of physics were accurate until proven wrong by Einstein, maybe some of his formulas will be proven wrong later on. We will never know. And environmental studies are much more prone to errors than Einsteins mostly theoretical work. Anyway the momentum of the studies are the result of many years studies.

Anyways, it is kind of sad that a game that raise concerns about the well being of planet Earth seem to be more controversial than "pick random contemporary military shooter".

Anyway, hope someone can make a good game about it and that it´s not just PR stunt.
Said Games for Change co-founder and president Suzanne Seggerman, "The current generation of gamers is among the most socially conscious in history. We know from experience that young people are looking for ways to help make the world a better place, and who better to support this effort than an industry leader like Microsoft?"
I don´t know. :???:

[AlphaWolf]

1 & 2 were never scientific consensus. Your style of argument (ie. cherry picking) sounds like how creationist argue evolution is wrong. Anyone who has participated in the peer reviewed scientific process knows how much a joke a global conspiracy perpetrated by scientist is.

careful you don't want to invoke the wrath of the religious right.

[zed]

if ppl were concerned about cutting power usage theyld be buying a wii (which uses way less power than the ps3/xb360), perhaps this is the true reason for its mega sales :grin:
plus with all that armwaving / sweating u could prolly turn down the heater as well

though cant see ms picking a game based on this as the winner

[AntShaw]

careful you don't want to invoke the wrath of the religious right.

Well God did create Earth, then he rested.

This thread has no where to go...but down! I vote for the lock!

[cthellis42]

I don't suppose you people noticed what forum this is NOT (http://forum.beyond3d.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27)...

[-tkf-]

Actually folding at home would contribute to global warming so, maybe so...

Global warming AS SAID TO BE CAUSED BY MAN MADE EMMISIONS is a myth, IMO btw. I'm just saying, if it wasn't a myth.

Also, it's kind of funny a high powered console talking about preventing global warming...


Your post is just as wrong as a the Microsoft PR stunt

A console that sucks energy and causes adds to Global Warming is trying to save the world with games and more energy usage.

Air Cons, it´s the only solution!

[StefanS]

doesn't go anywhere.