Guess who?

[Trawler]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1639839.jpg

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0802-01.htm

Thoughts?

[epicstruggle]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/1639839.jpg

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0802-01.htm

Thoughts?
Ill let my emoticon speak for me. :roll:
later,

[Trawler]

Ill let my emoticon speak for me. :roll:
later,

Nice!

So this whole hypocrisy thing sits just fine with you then, eh? Back in the days when Saddam was actively using WMD Rummy boy was more than happy with shaking his hand. Heck, the good chap was using it on those evil Iranians! :)

Seriously, what I'm trying to highlight is why there is such negative opinion regarding this invasion. Everyone agrees that Saddam is a bit of a prick. What people are getting rumbled about is that the US only takes action when it's in their political interests to do so. The whole 'dogooder' approach that Bush is using doesn't cut it with the outside world.

[epicstruggle]

im going to quote something I wrote in a different thread

During the cold war alot was done in the name of countering the USSR. Today those actions look silly. Supporting Iraq over Iran, giving training aid to the freedom fighters of Afghan, training Osama. At the time we had good reasons to do so. Unfortunatly we did not forsee the reprecusions of some of those decisions. On the whole, it might have been worth it to dismantling the USSR. A war between the 2 superpowers would have ended civilization

Btw the iranians were being supported by the commies so they were evil :).

I dont care about the outside world, when they start picking up the slack, then Ill care. They remind me of fans in a stadium giving advice to the players on the field as to how to play. :roll:

later,

[Trawler]

I dont care about the outside world, when they start picking up the slack, then Ill care. They remind me of fans in a stadium giving advice to the players on the field as to how to play. :roll:

Lol! Well, I think the above paragraph demonstrates better than any argument put forward so far why the US is having all the problems it is at the moment.

Back to lurking. :)

[pascal]

im going to quote something I wrote in a different thread

During the cold war alot was done in the name of countering the USSR. Today those actions look silly. Supporting Iraq over Iran, giving training aid to the freedom fighters of Afghan, training Osama. At the time we had good reasons to do so. Unfortunatly we did not forsee the reprecusions of some of those decisions. On the whole, it might have been worth it to dismantling the USSR. A war between the 2 superpowers would have ended civilization

Btw the iranians were being supported by the commies so they were evil :).

I dont care about the outside world, when they start picking up the slack, then Ill care. They remind me of fans in a stadium giving advice to the players on the field as to how to play. :roll:

later,Now I see why americans have problems around the world :roll:

[epicstruggle]

Hey, we are at least solving the problem. :) You might not like the solution, but its getting the job done. BTW, thanks for making me feel so good, I didnt know that my opinion equated to the American opinion. And I thought I was just a disgrunteld student. :)

later,

[nutball]

Hey, we are at least solving the problem. :) You might not like the solution, but its getting the job done. BTW, thanks for making me feel so good, I didnt know that my opinion equated to the American opinion. And I thought I was just a disgrunteld student. :)

later,

You might be solving the problem. Lets wait and see shall we. If we can get through this quickly without the US going to war with Turkey!

[epicstruggle]

You might be solving the problem. Lets wait and see shall we. If we can get through this quickly without the US going to war with Turkey!
Actually we are solving the problem, you just dont like the solution weve come up with. and I would not mind going to war with Turkey either! Im still pissed that they havent renamed Instanbul into Constantinople. :twisted:

later,

[Simon F]

I normally stay out of this sort of pointless bickering but...
and I would not mind going to war with Turkey either!
WTF has Turkiye done to you? Is it just because they aren't thrilled about the war? Perhaps you'd feel differently if there was a wasps-nest next to your house and someone from a different neighbourhood started hitting it with a stick.

Im still pissed that they havent renamed Instanbul into Constantinople.Constantine's been dead for centuries. He doesn't care, so why should you?



You know, once upon a time, 3D graphics was discussed here.

[RussSchultz]

Constantine's been dead for centuries. He doesn't care, so why should you?

You know, once upon a time, 3D graphics was discussed here.

Indeed. Istambul or Constantinople. Its nobody's business but the Turks.

;)

[nutball]

You might be solving the problem. Lets wait and see shall we. If we can get through this quickly without the US going to war with Turkey!
Actually we are solving the problem, you just dont like the solution weve come up with. and I would not mind going to war with Turkey either! Im still pissed that they havent renamed Instanbul into Constantinople. :twisted:

later,

Where did I say I didn't approve of the solution? Actually I do! Don't paint me with the anti-war brush please.

My point is that it's a high-risk strategy in a very unpredictable part of the world. The chances of something kicking off in the rest of the region and situation getting worse is non-negligible. That was my point.

[epicstruggle]

I normally stay out of this sort of pointless bickering but...
and I would not mind going to war with Turkey either!
WTF has Turkiye done to you? Is it just because they aren't thrilled about the war? Perhaps you'd feel differently if there was a wasps-nest next to your house and someone from a different neighbourhood started hitting it with a stick.

Im still pissed that they havent renamed Instanbul into Constantinople.Constantine's been dead for centuries. He doesn't care, so why should you?



You know, once upon a time, 3D graphics was discussed here.
I hope you understood I was trying to be sarcastic. I thought it was clear, but if not let me make myself clear that I do not think we should go attack turkey next. We should only do it after we take over france and germany. See sarcasm. :wink:

btw if you want to talk 3d graphics do it here:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2 :)


later,

[Simon F]

We should only do it after we take over france and germany.
Well, why didn't you say so in the first place?!!

btw if you want to talk 3d graphics do it here:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2 :)
But you can hear a pin drop in there. :(

[Captain Chickenpants]

BTW today is Iranian new year.

So happy new year everyone!

[pascal]

BTW, thanks for making me feel so good, I didnt know that my opinion equated to the American opinion. And I thought I was just a disgrunteld student. :)You are right. My apologies to all americans. But if you "dont care about the outside world" why you are discussing with outsiders :?

[epicstruggle]

BTW, thanks for making me feel so good, I didnt know that my opinion equated to the American opinion. And I thought I was just a disgrunteld student. :)You are right. My apologies to all americans. But if you "dont care about the outside world" why you are discussing with outsiders :?
A little history about me. :) Born in Johannesburg, South Africa, lived there for about 3 years. Went to Campinas, Brasil, lived there for about 10 years. Went back to South Africa, another year there. Then the last 14 some years here in the United States of America. I am a Hindu/Indian in my heart. But if i have to defend any country, Ill defend the US of A.

pascal what part of brasil are you from?

later,

[pascal]

IMHO the international experience you had was while you was too young.
The fact is nobody is atacking US, this is not a soccer game. :lol:

I am from the sunny side of the country, Salvador

[epicstruggle]

IMHO the international experience you had was while you was too young.
The fact is nobody is atacking US, this is not a soccer game. :lol:

I am from the sunny side of the country, Salvador:lol:
Hey those soccer games have caused some spectacular fights. :)

I dont know about being young, I still remember most of my life in brasil. not fluent in portug. but I still remember alot. :)

later,

[kyleb]

im going to quote something I wrote in a different thread

During the cold war alot was done in the name of countering the USSR. Today those actions look silly. Supporting Iraq over Iran, giving training aid to the freedom fighters of Afghan, training Osama. At the time we had good reasons to do so. Unfortunatly we did not forsee the reprecusions of some of those decisions. On the whole, it might have been worth it to dismantling the USSR. A war between the 2 superpowers would have ended civilization

Btw the iranians were being supported by the commies so they were evil :).

I dont care about the outside world, when they start picking up the slack, then Ill care. They remind me of fans in a stadium giving advice to the players on the field as to how to play. :roll:

later,Now I see why americans have problems around the world :roll:

i always have trouble convincing people that i am an American when i am out of the country, simply because i do not present a mentality like epicstruggle from what i can tell.

[Joe DeFuria]

i always have trouble convincing people that i am an American when i am out of the country, simply because i do not present a mentality like epicstruggle from what i can tell.

And yet, I have no problem accepting that you are American.

What does that tell you?

[epicstruggle]

note to kyleb, I am not an american. :) Please see above post for my history. I do however plan on getting my citizenship in 2.5 years at which point I plan to call my self an american. Since I plan to become an american, I would defend this country.

Btw I do not consider the coalition of the willing to be part of the outside world. Most notably England, Spain, Australia.

later,

[kyleb]

And yet, I have no problem accepting that you are American.

What does that tell you?

that tells me that you did not understand what i said. :wink:

they don't have a problem accepting me for who i am, they are just generally shocked to find an American that doesn't walk around the world acting like he owns the place.

also yes epicstruggle, i realize that you are not technically an American yet but you seem to be working hard to perpetuate the stereotype none the less.

[epicstruggle]

not sure how my comments made me look like an american that owned the world. I just dont want to listen to people who dont want to help. How does that make me think I own the world. I would really like to know how I come off to you. If you want you can PM me this, if you dont feel comfortable posting here.

later,

[Joe DeFuria]

they don't have a problem accepting me for who i am,

Nor did I say that...

they are just generally shocked to find an American that doesn't walk around the world acting like he owns the place.

Um, exactly. Is that because most Americans generally walk around like they own the place, or because Americans have differences of opinions than them, so that stereotype is just that...a stereotype. A LABEL if you will.

I can tell you that I'm NOT SHOCKED to find a European who shares my views. Despite the fact that the European stereotype is that of a Weak, Elitist Snob. But then, that's because I don't even believe Europeans ARE weak, elitist snobs even if they DO disagree with me.

[kyleb]

sorry, i though that is what you were getting at when you asked me "What does that tell you?" so what were you trying to tell me then?

also, stereotyping is something that is inherent to human nature and not bad in themselves, it is how we act on such generalized concepts that can cause much trouble. people mistaking me for being of a nationality other than i am because i come off to them different than the majority of people they have meant of the same nationality is only natural, nothing to shake ones head at in my opinion.

[Joe DeFuria]

also, stereotyping is something that is inherent to human nature and not bad in themselves, it is how we act on such generalized concepts that can cause much trouble.

Agreed. And what's alarming to me, is how those you encountered "acted" (Shocked) because you didn't fit the stereotype. That's my point. There's something wrong with them.

[RussSchultz]

People often mistook me for French or German when I was working in those countries.

Damn, I must dress poorly. ;)

KIDDING! REALLY!

(I think it was because I was always walking alone, dressed in non-tourist clothes, and I'm about as genetically German as they make em)

[kyleb]

not sure how my comments made me look like an american that owned the world. I just dont want to listen to people who dont want to help. How does that make me think I own the world. I would really like to know how I come off to you. If you want you can PM me this, if you dont feel comfortable posting here.

later,

i never said anything about owning the world, simply a supremacist attitude. in this case it is the mentality that what you belive is what is best and any anyone whose disagrees is to be dismissed as being unhelpful. knowing what i do of your heritage now i want to put it in terms you might respect; if Shiva could simply dismiss Brahma as unhelpful then this world could not exist; but it is though their working together with us all that we come to understand the ways of life.