Gaming Mouse Suggestions

[Ferret Boy]

Hi Folks,
I recently trashed my Logitech MX1000 while playing an intense game of....well...
Chicken Invaders 3 X-mas Edition :oops:
I need a replacement and wanted to get some suggestions for a good gaming mouse. I am leaning towards a wired one this time, but any advise would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

[digitalwanderer]

Logitech MX1000, it's still my fave gaming mouse. :)

[Skrying]

G5 or G7.

There's really no other choice that's decent for a person who is right handed.

I love my G5, plus I got one with a pretty BF 2142 paint job (though I do not play the game, lol).

[SuperCow]

Yup, G5 is the one (although I suppose other laser mice are also good as well). I used to be a strong supporter of mechanical mice until I tried the G5 in Wolfenstein:Enemy Territory. What a difference!
And go for wired of course as wireless has a slight lag (plus it's a pain to change the batteries often).

[Spaceman-Spiff]

This website has a gaming mouse benchmark. It's a 22-page article, so just check the last 2 pages:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1265679&page=21

Unfortunately, the benchmark only focuses on performance (control, dpi, speed). It doesn't cover ease of use, ergonomics, buttons layout, etc.

[Skrying]

Hmm, his results seem to be rather opposite over my own experience. Having used and owned a MX510, MX518, G5, and MX700. The G5 clearly being the best followed rather distantly by the MX518 and MX510/MX700.

[Ty]

MX-500 or 518. Simple, wired, works well. I think even one website (maybe the link provided earlier) just recently crowned it the best gaming mouse.

[NIB]

Get logitech mx518. Why?

1. Cause its optical, not laser.
2. Cause it has 2 thumb buttons, not one(hugely important to me).
3. Its wired.
4. It kicks butt.
5. You might be able to find it decently cheap since its kinda old(but still best gaming mouse imo).

I would have suggested g5, since that is the replacement for mx518, but it only has 1 thumb button and its laser.

[Ty]

Yes, one of the problems with laser mice that I heard of, is that when you lift the mouse to recenter it upon your pad, the laser turns off/on again, extending the momentary lapse you have in control. At least this used to be the case but I don't know if it still is.

[SuperCow]

1. Cause its optical, not laser.


How is optical bettern than laser? The problem of repositioning when lifting your hand in the post above occurs on both mice. And optical mice track very poorly last time I tried them (do a fast movement and you don't know where the mouse cursor ends up).
Surface is very important to both optical and laser mice, and a plain-coloured mousemat is usually a bad idea. I personally don't use a mouse mat, and my wooden desk has nice wooden colour gradients (not sure how to describe this properly but hopefully you get my meaning) that results in perfect tracking on my G5.

[carpediem]

I hate my G5 because of one thing... The wheel. It sucks, plain and simple. The wheel keeps triggering even though I'm not rolling the wheel past the "steppings" the wheel is supposed to have. This means I'm switching weapong when I'm not supposed to, and sometimes I have to roll the wheel past 2 "steppings" in order for it to register. I'm on the 2nd RMA'd mouse now, so it does seem like it's a design flaw. Going back to a Mx518 or something soon.

[digitalwanderer]

I'd heartily recommend the MX518 too, that's what I replaced when I got my MX1000.

Great little mouse, I just don't like wired anymore. Once you go wireless it's hard to go back.

My wife likes the MX518 now... ;)

[SugarCoat]

you're all speaking alien to me. I just use a microsoft laser mouse 6000 and its perfectly functional and comfy. I did notice a difference in how sensitive laser is over optical and laser is certainly superior when it comes to detecting surface movement over a variety of surfaces.

"Gaming mice" are for posers. :grin:

The thing thats going to work best is what you are use to because thats what you'll problably find most comfortable, in that respect i'd say just get another MX1000.

[Skrying]

Yes, one of the problems with laser mice that I heard of, is that when you lift the mouse to recenter it upon your pad, the laser turns off/on again, extending the momentary lapse you have in control. At least this used to be the case but I don't know if it still is.

I believe this is limited to wireless mice in a way of trying to preserve battery life. Therefore shutting off the laser would be done in a much more agressive manner. I recall this issue with my MX700, but its nowhere to be seen on the G5 nor any of my wired mice.

The problem with wireless mice also is their weight. I leave the weights out of my G5 and have even done a few other internal mods to cut its weight off further. Its the perfect balance of light but not so light it feels cheap *cough* Microsoft mice *cough*.

I've also never experienced a wheel issue with the G5, though I have switched side to side tilt so it performs the same function as pressing the wheel down or whatever function I want. Which is incredibly useful because I can just slightly hit the tilt to the left side and get the same response, or I can still push all the way down and just not care about the tilt at all. I've not had the stepping issue at all and looking internally at the wheel and without any changes my MX518 wheel and G5 wheel perform the same other than the G5 having the tilt.

Really, I can say there's only one flaw to the G5, and its been mentioned. Its the missing second thumb button. This was removed because of user demand. Seems some people simply are careless and would hit the smaller of them accidentally. I've gone around this issue as well and made the right tilt that button depending on the game.

Also, I would say get a MX Revolution if you want tons of office features.

[NIB]

How is optical bettern than laser? The problem of repositioning when lifting your hand in the post above occurs on both mice.

It never happens with my mx510.

And optical mice track very poorly last time I tried them (do a fast movement and you don't know where the mouse cursor ends up).

This is soooo wrong, i dont even know where to start. First of all, have you even used a high end optical mouse? And secondly, according to this (http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679) extensive and objective hardware test, optical mice are far superior when it comes to fast tracking. I suggest you read that review, its an awsome article and it is actually based on tests and not personal opinions.

Surface is very important to both optical and laser mice, and a plain-coloured mousemat is usually a bad idea

Its exactly the opposite. Surface plays almost no importance to optical and laser mice(and this statement comes from someone who bought a 40euro mousepad, me). Surface is important for ball mice though.

"Gaming mice" are for posers.

Well, i do think that we have reached the limit when it comes to sensors. I dont believe there is a point on having a sensor with more dpi than lets say mx500. Now it all comes down to ergonomics and features. I wouldnt say that gaming mice are for posers though. My mx510 is probably 1 of the best purchases i have ever made.

[Ty]

I believe this is limited to wireless mice in a way of trying to preserve battery life. Therefore shutting off the laser would be done in a much more agressive manner. I recall this issue with my MX700, but its nowhere to be seen on the G5 nor any of my wired mice.

I thought it may have been more to do as a measure of safety, so you're not lasing your retina. Along the lines of those warnings you see on laser pointers. Overblown? Probably but I was thinking that was their motivation. Don't wired laser mice do this as well?

The problem with wireless mice also is their weight. I leave the weights out of my G5 and have even done a few other internal mods to cut its weight off further. Its the perfect balance of light but not so light it feels cheap *cough* Microsoft mice *cough*.

Yes, I can't stand the weight either. Makes it hard to do snap movements (rail gun, no scope scouting, or decent AWPing).

[Skrying]

Maybe, but I've not experience any of this and in this way all of the various Logitech gaming specific mice I've used perform in the same way with the MX700 being the exception with the slight delay in certain instances.

[SuperCow]

Its exactly the opposite. Surface plays almost no importance to optical and laser mice(and this statement comes from someone who bought a 40euro mousepad, me). Surface is important for ball mice though.

Just because using a different surface didn't change your experience doesn't equate to the conclusion that "surface play almost no importance to optical and laser mice", surely? A few months ago I bought an Icemat (plain black) to go with my G5 and with it the mouse would lose track on very fast movements. I ended up returning the Icemat and I'm still using my desk. And to further contradict your statement have you ever tried using a laser mouse on a transparent glass surface? :)

I'm happy to believe that high-end optical mice are now much better; and I was indeed basing my statement on my own experience (there wouldn't be much discussion otherwise!).

[Vadi]

I like my Logitech Pilot mouse. Side buttons would be a nice feature (considering its low weight :) ) though.

I don't need a wheel blocking the middle button but Logi stopped making them.

[Ferret Boy]

Thank you for all your helpful suggestions!
I ended up purchasing an MX518 and could not be happier. It has taken a while to get used to the wire again, but the reponsiveness more than makes up for it.
Again, thanks.

[Ty]

Thank you for all your helpful suggestions!
I ended up purchasing an MX518 and could not be happier. It has taken a while to get used to the wire again, but the reponsiveness more than makes up for it.
Again, thanks.

Yep, it's a great mouse. I have two of the forerunners (510) and love them. I'm just missing a dynamic sensitivity setting the 518 has but other than that, no real difference I think.

[ZoinKs!]

Yeah, I've got the mx518 also.

Got it last year to replace a very aged MS wireless intellimouse explorer. That intellimouse was the most comfortable mouse I've ever used, but it went unresponsive too quick and too often for shooters and ate 2 aa batteries for breakfast.

I still get slightly annoyed at the mx518s wires but overall it's excellent. And sensitivity adjustments are helpful when switching between sniping and normal shooting.

I can't believe they're giving some of the g series just one button.

[willardjuice]

Habu, cheap and good. :cool:

[L233]

You might find this review (http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679)helpful. It's one of the very few mouse reviews I've seen that actually BENCHMARK the damn things.