View Full Version : MSI unsure about their GFX chip maker? UPDATE on 2nd page!
at least interesting poll they have on their front page... ;)
http://www.msi.com.tw/
Nagorak
12-Feb-2003, 02:07
Looks like another rat is jumping ship!
They may be jumping ship but the poll is ridiculous, which do you think is faster, a snail, a block of wood, or two race cars, I mean comon it is not like the9700 is faster than the pro version, or the 4600 is faster than fx, lol
I agree. They really should have worded as a "best price to performance ratio" poll.
Chalnoth
12-Feb-2003, 03:23
I don't know. The company with the worst reputation is nearly always going to have a better price/performance ratio. Supply and demand. I'm not sure I find such comparisons nearly as interesting, however they are of utmost importance when actually buying something.
THe_KELRaTH
12-Feb-2003, 03:25
And as they have 9700NP in there why not GFFX Non Ultra too.
TheMightyPuck
12-Feb-2003, 03:26
BTW Chalnoth, that's the best quote I've seen in ages.
I looked at this poll the other day when there was about 600 votes cast. At that point the 9700 was leading approx. 2:1 over the Fx Ultra. I guess that explains the Fx's poor performance. Now, y'all Nvidians get back to work. :wink:
Nagorak
12-Feb-2003, 06:50
What is the GF4 Ti4800 SE? I thought that was just the GF4 Ti4600 w/AGP 8X, but that is listed also.
Crusher
12-Feb-2003, 07:00
The 4800 is the 4600 w/ AGP 8X, the 4800 SE is the 4400 with AGP 8x. I guess SE stands for "slow edition".
gokickrocks
12-Feb-2003, 07:00
the SE (Slower Edition) is a ti4400 w/ 8x agp
Nagorak
12-Feb-2003, 12:16
the SE (Slower Edition) is a ti4400 w/ 8x agp
WTF!
Talk about misleading marketing...I'm surprised nobody tore into Nvidia for that one. :shock:
Joe DeFuria
12-Feb-2003, 12:17
We did a while back...you must've missed it. ;)
Nagorak
12-Feb-2003, 13:23
We did a while back...you must've missed it. ;)
Apparently so. :wink:
BoddoZerg
12-Feb-2003, 15:05
hahaha, there are 34 votes for the SiS Xabre.
"Woohoo, I'm going to use a Xabre to beat a Radeon9700Pro and a GeForceFX 5800Ultra!"
The irony is that there's more votes for GeForceTi4800SE than the Ti4600. nVidia is good at bad naming. They need to repackage a GeForce2 and sell it as a GeForceFX-MX-SE-VE 5000.
the SE (Slower Edition) is a ti4400 w/ 8x agp
WTF!
Talk about misleading marketing...I'm surprised nobody tore into Nvidia for that one. :shock:
I gave it a try some time ago:
http://www.nordichardware.se/artiklar/Intervjuer/English/nVidia/
(Of course there was more to the discussion than these short quotes.)
Bigus Dickus
12-Feb-2003, 23:07
whoa, looks like some nVidia fans started a voting drive! The votes for the 5800Ultra have skyrocketed over the past 24 hours.
Althornin
13-Feb-2003, 04:43
yeah i noticed. Too bad
Every ati vs nvidia post I've seen in last year or two always ends up in nvidia having 2x lead or 2 to 1 against ati and this poll will be no different from the look of it. Interestingly it's close to what their respective market shares are with ati at %20 and nvidia at %30(same for intel).
erm... anyone Has taken a look of this: http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&board=15969433&tid=atyt&sid=15 969433&mid=54845
maybe that poll was final straw. ;)
tamattack
28-Feb-2003, 15:57
Yeah, I saw that this morning. Been searching for better confirmation since...
Not sure if I think it will have any significant impact on NV tho... Last couple of times their large OEMs jumped ship (eg: Hercules) didn't have any appreciable impact on them. Of course, they were still the performance leader at the time.
Interesting to see how this plays out.
Dave Baumann
28-Feb-2003, 16:06
MSI is NVIDIA's largest customer. However, I doubt well see much change in board level products if this were true, since MSI produces lots of cards for OEM's. The wording of the message sounds as though one of the OEM's MSI deals with wants ATI products rather than NVIDIA, so MSI are willing to deal with ATI. This may have wider implications eventually as it could open the graphics / board partners market up to eventually deal more like the chipset market (where board produces just pick all the chipsets).
Yeah, I saw that this morning. Been searching for better confirmation since...
Not sure if I think it will have any significant impact on NV tho... Last couple of times their large OEMs jumped ship (eg: Hercules) didn't have any appreciable impact on them. Of course, they were still the performance leader at the time.
Interesting to see how this plays out.
That is true. However, currently isn't MSI Nvidia's largest card maker? If so, it would appear to be a great loss to them, and a great gain to ATI.
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antlers
28-Feb-2003, 19:06
Lots of end users were disappointed that the NV30 did not live up to its hype. You've got to wonder what kind of statements NVidia made to its OEMs that they couldn't live up to.
Lots of end users were disappointed that the NV30 did not live up to its hype. You've got to wonder what kind of statements NVidia made to its OEMs that they couldn't live up to.
Probably boiled down to price and availability. MSI are a very big fish in the sea and Medion PC's are relatively popular in Europe (even though I dont think anyone in the US has heard of them ;) ). Sales of the GF4 Ti4200 from MSI have been very good on the retail level where I work but no one ever asks for something like a GF4 Ti4600/4400 anymore, and it is this higher end gap that I think MSI needed to fill to complete its own portfolio(i.e. people are asking for 9700 Pro's by name).
Looks to me like NVIDIA cannot supply MSI with enough GFFX' chips and probably not at the price MSI wanted. So they jump ship.. for now.. they can always jump back when NVIDIA are ready to meet the demands of its OEM and its Retail level partners. However the wording does seem like all MSI have done is change the gfx cards in its Medion range with possibly making some Retail gfx cards with ATI technology.
If this means other OEM's and Retail partners begin to jump ship too (VisionTek have done so as has Hercules and Creative don't seem to know what they want to do and OEM's like eMachines have already flirted with the 9700Pro in their highend models), then this is the material proof that NVIDIA have lost the battle this generation and probably the next as well. These big guns cannot just jump ship and jump back in split second decisions.
Nagorak
01-Mar-2003, 00:35
Maybe they'll stop jumping ship and just produce cards from both vendors. It makes more sense to work that way, anyway. The only reason things got to where they did is because Nvidia was the only company selling graphics chips.
It is interesting that no OEM or AIB partner does both NVIDIA and ATI cards.. there must be some kind of contractual agreement by ATI and NVIDIA seperately that does not allow this. I think in this day and age we need a change especially with the market the way it is at the moment!
Nagorak
01-Mar-2003, 03:33
I think it's because Nvidia was the market leader, so everyone was "afraid" to burn their bridges with them. Now that ATi has proven themselves capable of taking the performance crown, there might be more vendors out there willing to consider selling both.
Yeah, I saw that this morning. Been searching for better confirmation since...
Not sure if I think it will have any significant impact on NV tho...
Seems everybody forgot something: Micro-Star International (MSI) IS the world's largest videocard manufacturer.
Second place: Asustek (ASUS).
Last year MSI showed 150% jump: they sold 11,5M videocard in 2002! (2001: 4,6M) It's twice as much amount of the second's (Asus) 6M...
Edit: Yes, I understood the OEM-relations. :wink:
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/030228/1155000456_2.html
THe_KELRaTH
01-Mar-2003, 10:29
I wouldn't be suprised if there's not something from Asus soon! :wink:
Strange that nVidia or MSI haven't officially commented oin this yet? (I know it's only been 1 day). If it wasn't true, you'd think one of them would have come out and denied it by now, wouldn't you?
We did a while back...you must've missed it. ;)
*Chuckle* I remember when nVidia first announced it was doing an AGP x8 Ti4xxx series, that's when I predicted it was being done because they knew there was little chance of marketing any nV3x products anytime soon. Of course, I was a reed in the wind compared to the chorus of gruff voices declaring nv30 would ship before Christmas '02 "for sure"....;)
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