PS3 OS/Interface

[Ons::lob::]

My worry is fragmentation of data across the HDD.

I'm sure Sony will provide defrag tools and rename them something more "personal" to make it less PC-y. Something like "HDD medicine". Push the button and get an explanation of how this "magic thing" will make your PS3 a bit faster and generally "better"...

Does the 360 have tools like that?

[bystander]

My worry is fragmentation of data across the HDD.

I'm sure Sony will provide defrag tools and rename them something more "personal" to make it less PC-y. Something like "HDD medicine". Push the button and get an explanation of how this "magic thing" will make your PS3 a bit faster and generally "better"...

I would imagine, it would defrag on the fly/in the background. There are some pc programs which defrags in the background, so you don't need to run a separate program to carry out the task, so I can't imagine it would be too difficult for them to create something to do that.

[mckmas8808]

I love that slideshow with the pictures being thrown down. I can't wait to get my PS3 and upload my pictures and impress my girl with that slideshow.

I'll probably play a little R. Kelly for background music on the PS3 too at the sametime to ummmm you set the mood. :wink:

[rendezvous]

Did a search for engadget in this thread and got no results.
I'm really sorry if this has been posted before.

Engadget also has a couple of videos.
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/01/playstation3-hands-on-preview-with-video/
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/03/playstation-3-menu-interface-complete-video-walkthrough/

I guess the first one is of the hardware, but the second one features the UI.

Best regards.

[Bad_Boy]

Thanks rendezvous, the 2nd one is new to me.
Downloading it, gonna go watch. :)

edit:
little tid bits i gathered...
-seems theres 'send image' or 'send avatar' in the chat settings. did not know of that before.
-camera menu didnt really specify a eyetoy, so im guessing any usb camera may work?
-nice to see it shows what game your buddy is playing
-turning on and off notification messages
-the build he was using was 0.98 or 0.96 firmware, couldnt quite make it out the number
-"restore ps3 system" setting seems interesting, but he skipped over it
-next psp firmware will enable youtube video watching
-screensaver can be set at different timed intervals, lowest being 10 minutes i think
-only can send txt messages, but voice and video chat are enabled when you are chatting live (but he mentioned thats a feature that could be upgraded later)
-some friends list settings (couldnt make them out); account management, profile, auto sign off/on, set away, start new chat, etc.
-folding@home seems available as a download, but down the line they plan on give it away free on discs

thanks again for the video link :)

[Bad_Boy]

IGN tested some accessories...
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/743/743894p1.html

eyetoy working fine :)
The first device we tried was the original EyeToy. After plugging it in, its power light came on but the PlayStation 3 didn't prompt us in any way. Heading into the System Settings menu and then its Accessory Options sub-menu, we found a Test Camera option. Happily, we soon saw ourselves smiling back at us in our HD screen via the EyeToy's CCD sensor.

as expected, no 360 accessories (camera, controller) worked. but as a note, this was a debug unit, so the stuff that didnt work that is expected to work (like the psp, and memory sticks), should work fine in the retail unit.

They also tried the ps3 controller on a pc
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/743/743976p1.html
it connected but seems to need some drivers, or maybe a bluetooth dongle.

[one]

Quiet PS3 in game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97PmGjkwxU0

[Titanio]

Turns out PS3 will upscale DVD movies afterall, at least according to Peter Dille:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/06/the-engadget-interview-peter-dille-sony-computer-entertainment/

Because, that's something that actually kind of turned some heads is when Microsoft announced 1080p support. They also announced that they were going to be adding DVD playback upscaling to 1080p, which is kind of something that is more or less unheard of in the consumer DVD playback market.

Right, so I guess from a Blu-ray perspective, Blu-ray movies are obviously 1080p capable; the Blu-ray player will upscale DVDs -- your question's about why not PS1 and PS2 games?

So you're saying the PlayStation 3 will upscale DVDs to 1080p?

Yes. Oh, yes.

Okay.

That's part and parcel of the Blu-ray technology. I thought you were questioning about the PlayStation game aspect.

Yeah, this is also about PlayStation 1 and PlayStation 2 games that are going to be played on the console.

Yeah, I don't know the answer to that, as I said. I thought that's what you're asking. Blu-ray does upscale the DVD movie experience. I'd have to check on the PlayStation -- we can get back to you on that.

Phew!

[mckmas8808]

Thank god. I was sweating there for a moment.

[london-boy]

Quiet PS3 in game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97PmGjkwxU0

Great video. Whatever people say, it's undeniable that Sony have produced a very very impressive piece of hardware.
As they say, it's all in the little details, and quietness was one of those non-major things that do make a difference in the overall presentation of a quality piece of machinery.

Vertical position looks MUCH better than the horizontal i have to admit.

[SPM]

My worry is fragmentation of data across the HDD.

I'm sure Sony will provide defrag tools and rename them something more "personal" to make it less PC-y. Something like "HDD medicine". Push the button and get an explanation of how this "magic thing" will make your PS3 a bit faster and generally "better"...

It depends on what filesystem is being used. Windows filesystems require defragging. Most Linux filesystems eg. Ext3, ReiserFS, XFS, JFS etc. never ever need defragging. The reasons are due to the difference between Windows and Linux/Unix design philosophies - Linux/Unix being derived from a high end multi-user server OS and Windows being derived from a low end single user desktop OS. With a server OS, you can't afford to keep taking it offline for 30 minutes at a time to defrag the HDD. It is all in the way files are distributed onto free space on the disk. Windows writes them in a continous block, whereas Linux scatters files over the whole disk.
http://www.salmar.com/pipermail/wftl-lug/2002-March/000603.html

[Colourless]

NTFS is also designed to not need defragmenting... but that doesn't mean degramenting a NTFS drive doesn't have it's benefits. When a single process is exclusively accessing the drive, as what happens in general desktop environment, and is reading large file into memory, it is significantly faster to read that file if it is stored as a single contiguous block on the disk. What is best for a multiuser server environment doesn't always match well for what is good for a single user desktop.

[aaaaa00]

It depends on what filesystem is being used. Windows filesystems require defragging. Most Linux filesystems eg. Ext3, ReiserFS, XFS, JFS etc. never ever need defragging.

No filesystem is completely immune to fragmentation, you can only make tradeoffs that can delay fragmentation, or run defragmentation passes before or after the fact (either automatically built into the fileystem or through an external tool).


It is all in the way files are distributed onto free space on the disk. Windows writes them in a continous block, whereas Linux scatters files over the whole disk.
http://www.salmar.com/pipermail/wftl-lug/2002-March/000603.html

That's just a tradeoff. All it means is that as the disk gets full, free space becomes more and more fragmented, and you will end up with much worse file fragmentation as you write new files and they have to be allocated in the now fragmented free space.

NTFS's policy is to favor unfragmented allocations -- you can in fact do a crude defrag simply by copying a file and deleting the original.

Unfortunately many apps do not declare their intentions and do extending writes which potentially lead to fragmentation, especially if multiple files are being extended at the same time. These apps should consider calling SetEndOfFile() when the file is created, in order to cause NTFS to allocate a single extent for your entire file instead of doing extending writes. See http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/fileio/fs/setendoffile.asp

In cases where this is not possible (file size not known ahead of time), consider doing large writes instead of small ones, which will reduce the possibility of fragmentation to a minimum.

In Vista, defrag is silent and completely automatic.

[Bad_Boy]

PS network goes online on 11/11 at 7am.
http://gamefront.de/

Japan: PlayStation Netzwerk ab Samstag um 07:00 Uhr online

08.11.06 - Sony gibt in der Famitsu bekannt, dass der Startschuss für das PlayStation Netzwerk in Japan am 11.11.06 um 07:00 Uhr fällt - ab dieser Zeit können PS3-Besitzer den Online-Dienst nutzen.


translation
Japan: PlayStation network starting from Saturday around 07:00 clock on-line

08.11.06 - Sony communicates in the Famitsu that the starting signal for the PlayStation network falls in Japan to 11.11.06 around 07:00 clock - starting from this time PS3-Besitzer can use on-line service.

[Arwin]

Hey, on that page is something I haven't seen on the forums here (or anywhere, really) before ... did I miss something? It's a video of the augmented reality EyeToy stuff. Can anyone confirm it's new? Or is it the old one?

http://www.gfdata.de/archiv11-2006-gamefront/2476.html

[Bad_Boy]

Hey, on that page is something I haven't seen on the forums here (or anywhere, really) before ... did I miss something? It's a video of the augmented reality EyeToy stuff. Can anyone confirm it's new? Or is it the old one?

http://www.gfdata.de/archiv11-2006-gamefront/2476.html

taken from gaf about the video
this was SCE Europe's EyeToy Concept Demo at E3 2006. It was not realtime, and it does not represent any gameplay actually being worked on or any modes being added for any PlayStation system. However, every action in that video is possible with EyeToy, down to the facial recognition for the helmet placement -- some features are just R&D samples, others have already been shown in realtime. The facial recognition to identify your user ID and load your options is something that they've accomplished in the lab, the helmet concept was shown in a different form in that amazing 3D face replace demo, the gun reloading is gesture recognition that has also been done in labs (it's a bit more complex than regular EyeToy sensing in that it doesn't just track what you move and then assume a shape for it, this is the system recognizing your arms gesturing a gun cocking), the Pokemon-like toy is a bit of what they're doing with Eye of Judgment, and the music game is obviously already active in EyeToy Play games on PS2. So none of it was real, but all of it really could and has been done.

btw for what it's worth, the playstation.com site has updated the ps3 section with a few new additions, no new info though.

[mckmas8808]

Wow that Eyetoy video is the best thing I've seen all day. :shock:

I think we maybe underestimating how great Eyetoy will be on the PS3.

[Arwin]

Wow that Eyetoy video is the best thing I've seen all day. :shock:

I think we maybe underestimating how great Eyetoy will be on the PS3.

Well, I'll wait until it actually shows something that works, then see if it works that well. I think there's a lot of potential though, because the Cell should be quite a bit more capable of detecting lines than the PS2. ;)

But the best thing I saw today has got to be Resistance on Eurogamer.net TV. I think I heard the words 'killer app' somewhere in there ...

Though, really, these days you never know what makes for a killer-app - it could just as well be the slideshow option with the falling photos, if that helps convince the ladies out there. :D (just as Live Arcade does on the 360, say)

But the future is looking really bright, anyway. The PS3 looks to be a very nice machine straight out of the box.

[Shifty Geezer]

Wow that Eyetoy video is the best thing I've seen all day. :shock:
I think we maybe underestimating how great Eyetoy will be on the PS3.It did look cool, but there may be some way to go getting it from the lab to the living room. IIRC the original EyeToy concept was working in the lab yonks before they got a system that could work in ordinary Joes' houses without fearsome lighting. Lab results are normally proof of concept, and only part of the journey in refining the concept into a workable product.

So I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you. Unless Sony release an Inflatable White Room for Camera Gaming...

[london-boy]

Wow that Eyetoy video is the best thing I've seen all day. :shock:

I think we maybe underestimating how great Eyetoy will be on the PS3.


You do realise that was as real as the Killzone video, right?

[Arwin]

You do realise that was as real as the Killzone video, right?

A more interesting question might be is it as real as the Motorstorm video. ;)

[mckmas8808]

You do realise that was as real as the Killzone video, right?


As long as they get close. The things I want the most are facial recognition to log into my PS3 and moving music songs and moving through the OS Minority Report style like that girl was doing.


Give me that Sony and I will love you.

[london-boy]

Give me that Sony and I will love you...

...more? Is that even possible?

:twisted:

[patsu]

As long as they get close. The things I want the most are facial recognition to log into my PS3 and moving music songs and moving through the OS Minority Report style like that girl was doing.


Give me that Sony and I will love you.

It's gotta be hard to use though. I'd rather they make the following enhancements to XMB (if not done already):

#1 -- Make the on-screen keypad SIXAXIS aware so that we don't have to do cell-phone key pad like data entry

#2 -- Make it possible to change font and icon size.

#3 -- Make it quick to access 10 most frequently, last used or hand-picked options for each user profile. Might be a flat arrangement (no hierarchy or long list !) that can be selected using SIXAXIS or thumbstick.

...

#10 -- Make Linux OS launch as an app

...

#99 -- Alright alright, make a pr0n game for mckmas8808 featuring minority report style interaction with in-game er... subjects. :lol2: But seriously I think someone might want to do a Wii Sports game-alike using SIXAXIS. I saw the trailers on Wii official sites and they can work well on a large segment of casuals.

[Bad_Boy]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/744/744963p1.html
PS3 to be Updated at Launch
Sony plans version 1.10 for launch day.
Sony Computer Entertainment announced today that purchasers of the launch hardware will need to run a system update in order to get the necessary firmware, System Software Version 1.10, in place.
...
Well, while the PS3 might be ready for it, it's another story for the PSP. Owners of the portable will have to download Version 3.0 of the firmware in order to use the PSP as a remote media player for the PS3 and to play PSP-compatible software that has been downloaded to the PS3 from the PlayStation Network. Unfortunately, this update won't be ready until the end of November.

Hopefully, that means in time for the US launch.

[Ons::lob::]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/744/744963p1.html

What's going to happen if someone doesn't have an internet connection, but owns a game that requires the update? Will the game have the update on the disk? I'm only curious, because the retail version of the games they had didn't update their system....maybe because it was a TEST system?

[Bobbler]

What's going to happen if someone doesn't have an internet connection, but owns a game that requires the update? Will the game have the update on the disk? I'm only curious, because the retail version of the games they had didn't update their system....maybe because it was a TEST system?

They worked that out on the PSP, so I imagine it'd work the same way.

If the game requires a higher firmware than the shipping firmware, it will have it on the disc -- that's how the PSP works. I don't imagine we'll see any games at launch that will require more than firmware 1.0.

[Arwin]

They worked that out on the PSP, so I imagine it'd work the same way.

If the game requires a higher firmware than the shipping firmware, it will have it on the disc -- that's how the PSP works. I don't imagine we'll see any games at launch that will require more than firmware 1.0.

Yep, that's how it works. I think among others Ridge Racer requires you to update (to 1.01 I think), which is included on the disc.

[Bad_Boy]

User guide is up
http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/index.html

[Ons::lob::]

OMG! So Cool!

[Bad_Boy]

OMG! So Cool!

Yeah theres tons to read, I'm still not even half way done yet. Lots of good stuff there.

[DieH@rd]

UPLOAD - Only content saved under (Photo) can be uploaded from the hard disk.
Hmm, i hope they will expand this feature in future.

USB Device - Play video files saved on a USB mass storage device.
Is USB HDD included here? Can it read directory structure of any USB memory device?

During an update, the power button on the system front is not active.
:) Same thing happens also with bunch of other options. [Formatting, instaling Linux]

Restore PS3™ System - Delete all hard disk content and restore the system software to its default settings.
Are they expecting some problems may surface in PS3 OS? So they made this feature?

Default System - Set which system software to use by default when turning on the system.
Cool. Boot into linux instantly...

[dskneo]

Restore PS3™ System - Delete all hard disk content and restore the system software to its default settings.
Are they expecting some problems may surface in PS3 OS? So they made this feature?



chill.... Every laptop computer has that feature.

[Titanio]

Japanese instructions for swapping the HDD with another one:

http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=ecmeel&b=8&f=1209563663&p=12

http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=ecmeel&b=8&f=1209563664&p=13

http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=ecmeel&b=8&f=1209563665&p=14

I somehow doubt it voids your warranty if they're showing you how to do it!

[hey69]

uh oh .

If a device that is not compatible with the HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) standard is connected to the system using an HDMI cable, video and/or audio cannot be output from the system.
that means no connection to most tft monitors no?

[Titanio]

USB Device - Play video files saved on a USB mass storage device.
Is USB HDD included here? Can it read directory structure of any USB memory device?

The user manual (apparently) says:

You can use an USB mass storage device[hdd] to store all your media on.

I'll try and find a direct link to that. Although a SCEA rep has already said that USB HDDs can be connected.

But it's not clear what kind of directory structure is necessary, if a particular type is needed at all. USB devices that use "a custom transfer method" are not supported, according to the Kawanishi interview one posted.

[DieH@rd]

Izumi Kawanishi:
...
+ By pressing the triangle button the XMB shows the folder tree structure as is just like Windows Explorer.
+ It can connect with USB mass-storage devices such as PSP, but not with ones with special transfer methods such as iPod and Walkman. They are collaborating with the Walkman unit for some interaction in the future.
...

[eSa]

Ok, but where is VC-1 support ?!?!?! This can not be like this, customer gets hq Warner Blu-ray release for his PS3 and it will not play ?!?!

[Titanio]

Ok, but where is VC-1 support ?!?!?! This can not be like this, customer gets hq Warner Blu-ray release for his PS3 and it will not play ?!?!

VC1 is a mandatory codec in the Blu-ray spec. PS3 will play back VC1 BD movies. The codecs you see listed throughout the thread are for video files on your HDD or other storage media.

[Shifty Geezer]

Ok, but where is VC-1 support ?!?!?! This can not be like this, customer gets hq Warner Blu-ray release for his PS3 and it will not play ?!?!
VC-1 is supported in the BluRay player if not in the rest of the system. It can't be called a BluRay player or bear the BRD logo if it doesn't support the standards, and those standards include the MPEG2, AVC, and VC1 codecs.

[patsu]

How does Cure@Home run on a PS3 ? I remember someone or some article says it will come up when the PS3 is idle.
(A) Under Linux
(B) Under Game OS (Is there a way to schedule background job/screen saver ?)

[Arwin]

It's definitely running under the GameOS. It will be a downloadable 'game', I'm fairly sure. I have no idea if it can run as a screensaver though. I think you'll just have to boot it up yourself, but we'll see.

EDIT: Hmm, while browsing through the manual, I discover a screensaver.

[patsu]

EDIT: Hmm, while browsing through the manual, I discover a screensaver.

Wow ! Someone should write an Internet radio screen saver for PS3 then.

[Titanio]

The system update software is available now, just in time for the Japanese launch..

Ver 1.10:

http://www.jp.playstation.com/ps3/update/index.html

Direct link:

http://djp01.ps3.update.playstation....b/PS3UPDAT.PUP

[Bad_Boy]

Not much use to us without ps3's, but does it say what it changes from the orginal 1.00 firmware?

edit:
nvm bablefish translation

Whole:
-It reached®the point where the service of PLAYSTATION Network can be utilized.
-With the picture keyboard of European language,it reached the point where it can do the letterinput of single tap system.

Settings:
-Music CD outputfrequency was added to music setting.
-ATRAC is made effective added tosubstance setting
-In type of keyboard of peripheral device setting, type of keyboard which can be selected increased.
-The "cross color decreasefilter " was added todisplay setting
-"5 minutes later" were added to "the screen saver" of display setting

Video:
-When the hard disk and the animated picture file which is retained in the record media playing back, with picture mode it reached the point where full can be chosen.

Network:
-Downloading music and the animated picture file with Internet browser, it reached the point where it can retain in the hard disk.
-It reached®the point where the following contents can be downloaded with PLAYSTATION Store.

-PLAYSTATION®3 standard software
-PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) with the PlayStation standard software which®operates (PSP of system software version 3.00®or more is necessary)

-It corresponded to traditional form letter Chinese and simplified form letter Chinese indication with Internet browser.
-The online manual was added.

Additional:
-Calculation method of hard disk capacity was modified.
-As for being less crowded capacity of the hard disk, the numerical value which calculated 1GB as the 1024ﾃ・024ﾃ・024 = approximately 10 hundred million 7374 ten thousand bytes is indicated. Because of that, capacity than the numerical value which is stated as specification is smaller indicated in the instruction manual and the like. [ Setting ] the 竍・[ substance setting ] the 竍・ [ you can verify the being less crowded capacity of the hard disk, with substance information ].
-™PlayStation of the part in®PS3 and®operational status of the PlayStation 2 standard software were renewed. You can verify up-to-date operationalstatus with <private search sight >.

[Titanio]

AV Watch Impress has a long-ish article on the PS3, its multimedia capabilities and other info:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20061111/ps3.htm

It apparently confirms VC1 Blu-ray playback (duh..but some people did wonder about this), and measures power consumption - up to 200W in the games they tried.

Babelfish might be failing me, but they seem to lavish praise on its BD movie playback. They say picture quality is very high, and that it is fast compared to other players, with very responsive BD-Java support. I think they say that they would consider it wrong to label PS3 as merely a "sufficient" player. They point out a couple of times that picture quality is very high.

Perhaps somebody could do a better job translating the article.

[Titanio]

There's also a Japanese article here on upgrading the HDD:

http://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/games/articles/0611/11/news004.html

[patsu]

Babelfish might be failing me, but they seem to lavish praise on its BD movie playback. They say picture quality is very high, and that it is fast compared to other players, with very responsive BD-Java support. I think they say that they would consider it wrong to label PS3 as merely a "sufficient" player. They point out a couple of times that picture quality is very high.


Match the comments expressed here: http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=870327&postcount=1

Load is supposedly low while playing Blu-ray movies :)

[Sis]

They say picture quality is very high, and that it is fast compared to other players, with very responsive BD-Java support.
I didn't think any current releases used BD-J yet? Maybe there's a test disc that does? Or perhaps a JPN only release that uses it? Or perhaps they're confusing it with the menuing system, which from what I understand is not done in BD-J.

[one]

The article Titanio posted say the PS3 is definitely NOT a poor-man's BD player, so basically they are loving it. Loading of a BD takes 7-9 seconds and playback seconds 2-5 seconds after pressing the button which is significantly faster than the HD-XA1 HD DVD player. The only point that is not found in the PS3 compared to a dedicated player is complicated equalizers and other picture configuration options but the playback quality is already very high without tweaking. AVCHD and MPEG2-TS playback, but no DVD upscaling. As for the menu, probably they mistakes HDMV for BD-Java but the menu is very fast anyway.

BTW someone has attached a 320GB 3.5inch HDD already.

http://img120.imagevenue.com/loc336/th_19158_up4030_122_336lo.jpg (http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=19158_up4030_122_336lo.jpg)

[ban25]

I didn't think any current releases used BD-J yet? Maybe there's a test disc that does? Or perhaps a JPN only release that uses it? Or perhaps they're confusing it with the menuing system, which from what I understand is not done in BD-J.

There are a few BD-J releases. You may be thinking of BD-Live.

[mckmas8808]

The article Titanio posted say the PS3 is definitely NOT a poor-man's BD player, so basically they are loving it. Loading of a BD takes 7-9 seconds and playback seconds 2-5 seconds after pressing the button which is significantly faster than the HD-XA1 HD DVD player. The only point that is not found in the PS3 compared to a dedicated player is complicated equalizers and other picture configuration options but the playback quality is already very high without tweaking. AVCHD and MPEG2-TS playback, but no DVD upscaling. As for the menu, probably they mistakes HDMV for BD-Java but the menu is very fast anyway.

BTW someone has attached a 320GB 3.5inch HDD already.

http://img120.imagevenue.com/loc336/th_19158_up4030_122_336lo.jpg (http://img120.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=19158_up4030_122_336lo.jpg)


I said wow! I will LOVE my PS3 next Friday.


Oh and Youtube looks great on the PS3.
http://static.flickr.com/106/294307265_625491f1a6_b.jpg

[Sankari]

Man its exciting time now that PS3 has been launched and will be launched in US shortly.

[Deepak]

OMG, GeOW on PS3. :twisted:

[weaksauce]

Any pictures on the linux?

[Shifty Geezer]

Any pictures on the linux?
I don't think Linux is out for a while yet. For the earliest you'd need a PS3 owner to sign up with YDL which I think costs money, to get it ASAP. Two weeks or so after that IIRC it becomes available to buy, and 2 weeks or so after that it's mirrored for free download.

[J_Saint]

I believe the free mirror downloads for Linux will be available around Xmas.

[Bad_Boy]

Image of the chat bubbles, which I have not seen before.
http://xs308.xs.to/xs308/06456/294495402_38b43b0375_b.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs308&d=06456&f=294495402_38b43b0375_b.jpg)
Taken from one of gaf's ps3 owners DCharlie no less.

[bobthebub]

I don't think Linux is out for a while yet. For the earliest you'd need a PS3 owner to sign up with YDL which I think costs money, to get it ASAP. Two weeks or so after that IIRC it becomes available to buy, and 2 weeks or so after that it's mirrored for free download.


Is YDL not being distributed under GPL? in which case:-

If I distribute GPL'd software for a fee, am I required to also make it available to the public without a charge? (http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCDoesTheGPLRequireAvailabilityToPublic) No. However, if someone pays your fee and gets a copy, the GPL gives them the freedom to release it to the public, with or without a fee. For example, someone could pay your fee, and then put her copy on a web site for the general public. (http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#TOCDoesTheGPLRequireAvailabilityToPublic)
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html

[Titanio]

I've wondered if someone could just upload it to a server or something, for other people, before YDL distributes it with their own public mirror partners. Hard to say for sure.

[Shifty Geezer]

That might be why Terrasoft were giving a rough idea of when it would be available - perhaps for direct download to PS3. If the license is such, the first people to get hold of it should be able to upload if they choose. I'm sure lots of tech sites would be happy to host it.

[bobthebub]

I'm pretty sure people will torrent it pretty quickly no matter what, but in this particular instance it's probably perfectly legal.

[london-boy]

Hope it's not been posted before.

Well it's cool as hell, probably the coolest thing i've seen the PS3 doing so far!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCpf139wS-c

That's a real slideshow of pics on ur PS3 apparently... Really cool...

[Bad_Boy]

It sure is cool. but maybe the OS/Interface thread would have been the perfect place for this. ;)
ah well. It is a nice feature to have, especially if you own a HDTV setup.

very odd voice commentary I must say. :lol:

[Nesh]

Very nice! It looked like real photos haha

[london-boy]

Very nice! It looked like real photos haha

It does look like one of those neat features you'd want to show your family and friends. Very neat.

[patsu]

There are a few BD-J releases. You may be thinking of BD-Live.

Anyone knows which title implements BD-J ? I'm curious !

[mckmas8808]

It does look like one of those neat features you'd want to show your family and friends. Very neat.

Did they show that you can play music while your pictures are being thrown down?

[wco81]

OK I've heard the XMB browser won't let you do downloads. But the instant messaging client will let you send file attachments to each other.

So the question is, will users be able to share game save files? Lets say someone plays through the singleplayer levels of a game, saves it and then uploads to gamefaqs or send it by IM to some other PS3 user. Will the second user be able to load that file into the game from wherever the IM file attachments are saved?

In other words, can you get Action Replay or Max Drive functionality out of the box?

[one]

I'm pretty sure people will torrent it pretty quickly no matter what, but in this particular instance it's probably perfectly legal.Most likely what they distribute through their YDL.net contains their own application which is not covered by GPL. If you want to redistribute YDL you must be careful not to include it.

[wco81]

OK to kind of answer my own question, found the manuals for the XMB which gives hints on how file uploads, downloads and transfers may work. It seems uploading is restricted to files in the "Photo" folder. So would they be trying to specifically prevent PS3 game save uploads?:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/browser/upload.html

But it says downloaded data would go to some destination which may be "preassigned."

PS3 game data can only be stored in "Saved Data Utility" folder:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/game/3savedata.html

Question is can you upload and download the game saves in "Saved Data Utility" either directly in the XMB browser or by moving it to the Photo folder?

It also refers a lot to "Storage Media" meaning SD memory cards and such?

If the XMB interface doesn't let you freely move or copy files back and forth between the various predefined folders or directories (such as the Photo and "Saved Data Utility"), you may have still be able to move files indirectly through memory cards.

There could be different reasons for not allowing files to be freely moved. Could be not all file formats are supported in all the folders. Could be some DRM restrictions. You wouldn't think photos or game save files would be subject to DRM but remember that PS2 Memory Cards use Magic Gate.

[Sis]

There are a few BD-J releases. You may be thinking of BD-Live.No, I'm definitely thinking of BD-J. I haven't heard of any titles that use it. If you know of one, I'd be interested to hear which one it is. (Not trying to go off-topic--just curious.)

[Bad_Boy]

PS2 eyetoy on PS3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI5yi5LWQuo&eurl=

[hey69]

OK to kind of answer my own question, found the manuals for the XMB which gives hints on how file uploads, downloads and transfers may work. It seems uploading is restricted to files in the "Photo" folder. So would they be trying to specifically prevent PS3 game save uploads?:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/browser/upload.html

But it says downloaded data would go to some destination which may be "preassigned."

PS3 game data can only be stored in "Saved Data Utility" folder:

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/game/3savedata.html

Question is can you upload and download the game saves in "Saved Data Utility" either directly in the XMB browser or by moving it to the Photo folder?

It also refers a lot to "Storage Media" meaning SD memory cards and such?

If the XMB interface doesn't let you freely move or copy files back and forth between the various predefined folders or directories (such as the Photo and "Saved Data Utility"), you may have still be able to move files indirectly through memory cards.

There could be different reasons for not allowing files to be freely moved. Could be not all file formats are supported in all the folders. Could be some DRM restrictions. You wouldn't think photos or game save files would be subject to DRM but remember that PS2 Memory Cards use Magic Gate.

what would be neat (i dont know if anybody tested this out yet) to connect your PS3 with your PC trough USB . IF it gets detected as a massive USB storage device, you can get hold of any files and upload and download files as you wish (just like PSP actually)

[ban25]

Anyone knows which title implements BD-J ? I'm curious !

Black Hawk Down is one, if I recall correctly.

[patsu]

Thank you ! I'll check it out. ^_^

EDIT:
Java support turns out to be stronger than I thought. According to http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6383321.html?industryid=43290&industry=New+Tech, we have Java support for:
Speed (25Gb)
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (25Gb)
Descent (50Gb)
Black Hawk Down (50Gb)

More on Blu-Wizard here: http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/feature_bluwizard_110906.html
Sounds like some sort of personalized playback using Java.

Combine this with Kawanishi's claim that Blu-ray playback incurs low (Cell) load, I am rather impressed (Thinking that xbdestroya would be happy to hear the news too, if I interpret it correctly).

[Sis]

Thank you ! I'll check it out. ^_^

EDIT:
Java support turns out to be stronger than I thought. According to http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6383321.html?industryid=43290&industry=New+Tech, we have Java support for:
Speed (25Gb)
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (25Gb)
Descent (50Gb)
Black Hawk Down (50Gb)

More on Blu-Wizard here: http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/feature_bluwizard_110906.html
Sounds like some sort of personalized playback using Java.

Combine this with Kawanishi's claim that Blu-ray playback incurs low (Cell) load, I am rather impressed (Thinking that xbdestroya would be happy to hear the news too, if I interpret it correctly).

Black Hawk Down used "Blu-Wizard", which is not BD-J based:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8866104&&#post8866104

Blu-Wizard isn't BD-J-based...Blu-Wizard is built on HDMV capabilities.

Also, unless something's changed recently, SPHE is holding off on real BD-J work until mid 2007 or so. It will be interesting from a marketing POV if Blu-Wizard "grows" to incorporate BD-J or if it gets drop kicked to the curb once widespread BD-J authoring takes hold.
From what I understand, those Fox titles are the first. Released this tuesday, if I'm not mistaken.

[patsu]

Ah ! I stand corrected. And the next BD-J title is Lionsgate's "The Descend" (26 Dec 2006).

This is the first time I heard of Blu-Wizard. Will still look at "Black Hawk Down" to see how it really works. :)

[Bad_Boy]

I'm not too caught up on the information of it, can somebody explain what benefits BD-J brings compared to what we have been seeing?

[Sis]

I'm not too caught up on the information of it, can somebody explain what benefits BD-J brings compared to what we have been seeing?The benefit, I believe, is that you have a real imperative programming language, persisted storage, and all the benefits that a network connected machine can bring.

So far, the real world benefit appears to be that you'll see fancier 'games' included with the movie to entice you to buy the special edition. I wouldn't expect to notice a real difference until much later, like late 2007, 2008, since the biggest benefit is the long term potential.

(Note that there are tactical benefits that the consumer won't necessarily see, such as the language being common/similar across many consumer electronic devices, particularly set top boxes, such as those that are based on MHP (link (http://www.mhp.org/about_mhp/)), which uses a presentation framework called DVB-J.)

[patsu]

I'm looking too...

According to this site: http://www.blueboard.com/bluray/
Why should you care about Java ME on Blu-ray?

Because just like it did for smart cards, and cellphones, and other mobile devices, Java ME will provide the content and interactivity that will drive the success of this new generation of home entertainment format. Blu-ray doesn't just promise high definition video. Because of the inclusion of Java ME, it also promises much greater and deeper interaction between users and the system.

Possible applications include:

Creating vastly more dynamic menu systems;
downloading additional content such as subtitles from the internet;
serving current movie previews if the viewer requests them from the network;
downloading games and other related titles at the request of the viewer.
being able to buy new titles (online shopping)


Some BD-J technical specs: http://www.blu-raydisc.com/assets/downloadablefile/bdj_gem_application_definition_050307-12959.pdf

From the AVS insiders (There are lot's of FUDs in this "BD-J vs iHD" thread):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=587631&page=1&pp=30
Please don't derail this thread with follow-up argument here. But the link does include interesting details about BD-J (and iHD).

It seems that BD-J can be used to create custom apps/titles packaged on Blu-ray (because a complete programming language is included). Will have to rely on the studios' imagination and user acceptance to see where this takes us. For now, it's interactive menu and Blu-ray games.

EDIT:
BD-J is also used to produce picture-in-picture movies (e.g., "The Descend").

[ban25]

Black Hawk Down used "Blu-Wizard", which is not BD-J based:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8866104&&#post8866104


From what I understand, those Fox titles are the first. Released this tuesday, if I'm not mistaken.

Interesting. I stand corrected then. With all the talk of BluWizard in the BHD PR, I thought for sure it was BD-J based.

[Bad_Boy]

PS2/PS1 backwards compatibility preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9reXD1eIhgY&eurl=

edit: btw, thanks for the BD-J info guys. Kinda late on the reply but better late than never. :p

[Titanio]

Just a head's up - the US Playstation Store is apparently now open. There are demos of Resistance, Motorstorm (!), F1 (!) & David Jaffe's Calling All Cars.

[Bad_Boy]

Just a head's up - the US Playstation Store is apparently now open. There are demos of Resistance, Motorstorm (!), F1 (!) & David Jaffe's Calling All Cars.

I think it's Cash Carnage Chaos that's available now but this is good news, can't wait to play motorstorm again. :)

[Titanio]

An interesting oddity - Darko on GAF reports that an old Logitech PC controller of his actually works on PS3. He's using it as a second controller in Resistance co-op now. Could be worth checking what usb controllers do and don't work with the system..

[wco81]

An interesting oddity - Darko on GAF reports that an old Logitech PC controller of his actually works on PS3. He's using it as a second controller in Resistance co-op now. Could be worth checking what usb controllers do and don't work with the system..

It should support mouse and keyboard.

someone on AVS reported that a Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard combo just worked on the XMB browser. Probably a USB dongle thing.

[Xella]

Please somebody check if Logitech Momo racing force wheel works on Motorstorm-demo:?:

[DieH@rd]

Neogaf dudes are posting some impressions with racing wheel in RR7:

RR7 has rumble. I tested the Driving Force Pro wheel and it's got full rumble support, but no force feedback. So in theory using a USB convertor for the Dual Shock2 and plugging it into the PS3 should allow rumble back into next gen!

God rumble is so good!

Yeah... in theory...

[Bad_Boy]

Playsyde/Gamersyde is going to start encoding MP4 videos available to download directly to the PS3 from the PS3 web browser. Which is great news IMO. :)

http://www.playsyde.com/news_3862_en.html
I've finally found the bug that prevented playsyde to be displayed correctly on the Playstation 3 so you can now browse the site on your HDTV from your couch! It's also a good way to announce that the next "home made" videos posted here will also be available in 720p MP4 format, readable directly on your PS3!

[mckmas8808]

Playsyde/Gamersyde is going to start encoding MP4 videos available to download directly to the PS3 from the PS3 web browser. Which is great news IMO. :)

http://www.playsyde.com/news_3862_en.html


YAY!!!