View Full Version : I'm kinda mad at Microsoft right now
Master-Mold
22-Nov-2005, 15:01
Yes, I know who cares, but I need to vent. After a long night of driving, standing, freezing, and making about 500 phone calls I dont have an Xbox 360.
I dont understand why they are supposedly launching 200,000 units in Japan. I can assuredly tell you if they were here in the states every one of them would have sold last night. Everywhere I went was pure insanity with about 3X as many people wanting 360s compared to the stock that was available. I understand supporting Europe since they actually buy Xbox stuff, but the Japan issue infuriates me. You know for a fact they will be lucky to sell 50,000 by the end of the year there and the rest will be getting dusty on shelves.
Anyway I return home at about 8:45 this morning having lost a ticket draw at Wal-Mart as a last ditch effort and whats on my TV? A bunch of celebrities walking out of an Xbox party with what looked like 2 free 360s per person. They were being interviewed and rich yuppies like Paris Hilton were so out of touch with gaming when asked what she was waiting to play she froze up and stuttered "that one shooting game". Here I am dying to get one and willing to pay and that spoiled nit-wit has one before me at no cost. I am sure at this party they gave away maybe 250 max, but so what.
Finally lots of people are speculating this is all a marketing ploy, you know the shortages. Well it worked since it has been all over the news. However if indeed it was just a big scam and 360s start rolling in daily its going to be hard to forgive them after the night I went through.
So now I have 3 games, 2 Faceplates, 1 Memory Card, and no system to use them with. Yes I do have a pre-order from June at Gamestop, but they arent promising anything since I am #62 on a list that exceeds 200.
What a crappy night:cry:
I agree with you, they shoud have held off launching in japan and used those units for north ameirca. I just picked up mine (and I'm liking it a lot so far, downloadable demos rule.) but if I didn't get mine today I woulda been really pissed off.
Sorry you couldn't get yours dude. I've never been a fan of pre order lists, it shoudl be first come first serve in my eyes...
Sorry to hear. I know I ended up lucky with a PS2 around 5 years ago, but I would have been very disappointed if I hadn't got one that night. Perhaps better than ending up with a system that doesn't work, so good things still lay ahead.
Master-Mold
22-Nov-2005, 15:14
Thanks for the kind words.
I have been waiting for the 360 for so long and now not to have one really hurts. Having games and accessories sitting here in front of me isnt helping either.
Sure Ill eventually get one, but it was so perfect. I am off work today all the way through Monday and I was ready to watch Football, play my 360, and eat Turkey.
Now my little plan has been thwarted. Oh well, life goes on.
demoniq
22-Nov-2005, 15:42
You're gonna hate me for saying this but up here in Canada there are at least 7 stores
all within 30 min drive from my house that havent's sold out.
drpepper
22-Nov-2005, 15:45
Sorry to hear your strife.
I too think it was a mistake for a worldwide launch. To think there are 360s in europe and japan just sitting there while a LOT of 360 customers have to play the waiting game here in NA. And I hardly think Japan will get the same reponse as it did here. I dont know what the situation was like here in Ottawa, will have to read the news. But it didn't seem to make front page. Have you tried any of the online retailers? Even the Canadian ones?
good luck.
drpepper
22-Nov-2005, 15:46
You're gonna hate me for saying this but up here in Canada there are at least 7 stores
all within 30 min drive from my house that havent's sold out.
Yah, I get the impression from most of my friends that a $500 (premium bundle) CAD price tag is a little steep. So many people are waiting for a price drop.
DemoCoder
22-Nov-2005, 15:47
MS: 1 DemoCoder: 0
I deployed a team of friends of mine, clustered around a group of stores: Target, Circuit City, and Walmart. We each stood in line and agreed to let others cut in. Target had only 14 units. My friend was #16. Circuit City had 12 units. My other friend was #15. And I was at Walmart -- suffice to it to say I didn't bring one home.
Extremely irritated doesn't begin to cut it. I could have used the extra sleep.
drpepper
22-Nov-2005, 15:55
After waiting in line for star wars, I will never do that again... But at least I was able to see the movie after the long wait...
demoniq
22-Nov-2005, 15:55
Yah, I get the impression from most of my friends that a $500 (premium bundle) CAD price tag is a little steep. So many people are waiting for a price drop.
I don't know, $500 is still less than what I paid for PS2 with similar package, a year after it came out.
Master-Mold
22-Nov-2005, 15:56
You're gonna hate me for saying this but up here in Canada there are at least 7 stores
all within 30 min drive from my house that havent's sold out.
Hmmmm where in Canada?
I can be in Windsor in about 1 1/2 hours.
drpepper
22-Nov-2005, 15:56
I don't know, $500 is still less than what I paid for PS2 with similar package, a year after it came out.
I don't recall ever paying that much, but that was 5 years ago.
silhouette
22-Nov-2005, 16:06
master-mold, demo coder, sorry to hear that.. You should be really frustrated by now..
Just a note: The target I went this morning has 14 systems despite they stated that they would have 30 for the launch.. I joined the line at 7:00am in the morning and was actually 11th in the line.. However, then they told us that only 2 of the systems are premiums and rest are core systems. So, I decided to skip... However, the guy also stated that they are going to have another shipment tonight and will have some extra systems tomorrow. So, you can still try tomorrow morning and may find one before thanksgiving.
demoniq
22-Nov-2005, 16:17
I don't recall ever paying that much, but that was 5 years ago.
Canadian dollar went up a lot since then http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=USDCAD=X&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=
But 5 years ago PS2 was ~ 450 CAD + extra controller + mem card = 530 + 15% tax = 609 CAD
I went to Best Buy at 6:30AM only to stand in line for about 2 hours only to watch the guy two spots in front of me get the last one, he got there at 3AM.
#1gamer
22-Nov-2005, 16:30
I just drove around this morning looking for any place that may have one. Wal-Mart was sold out at Midnight, and every other store opening at 8 had lines too long to possible get one. I drove by Target, and it looked like they were letting employees in first before they even opened to get the ones they had. I saw a few people walk out with one before they even opened at 8 am. There was even a guy standing outside like he was security or something. Not to mention most of the stores probably only had the cores. Oh well, guess I will just have to wait for the PS3 :wink:
#1Gamer
I have been trying to figure out if this really is a free magazine, or if it is just a scam. Everytime I post anything about it, they get removed. I think its al just a big conspiracy.
scooby_dooby
22-Nov-2005, 16:31
I went to superstore at 6:45, stood in line till 9 and got the 12th ticket for a premium, the last one they had. Sorry about your luck bro, that sucks
Shifty Geezer
22-Nov-2005, 16:43
#1Gamer
******edited*****I have been trying to figure out if this really is a free magazine, or if it is just a scam. Everytime I post anything about it, they get removed. I think its al just a big conspiracy.How come you've only got one post to your name when you've already posted this? The reason this junk gets removed is because you've obviously registered just to attract people to that site. Try posting a bit of relevant stuff in threads for a few weeks before trying to get everyone to see your free magazine and you might have some more success.
I hit the local Best Buy at 10:00pm and got my $399 system this morning. We knew how many they had and we (the morons waiting all night in the cold and rain) gave out tickets with numbers to everyone in line to keep some order of who was there and who wasn't.
They had 38 premium systems and I was #35 in line. So I was lucky!
Tom Crews
I went to Sams Club at 5am expecting to get a leg up because of my business membership which allows you to enter the store at 7am instead of 10am. They let everyone in though. (So much for paying extra for the business membership). I was 16th in line and they had 14 consoles. I waited around anyway in case someone couldn't cover the cost.
I went home empty handed. Oh well saves me a bit of money because I was planning on buying an hdtv just for playing 360 and watching dvd's.
I can't believe how few units this launch had. I think MS really botched this launch. They could have sold 3x as many as they will end up selling on launch day and get a huge lead in NA.
Now that I know I wont be able to get near one till Jan-Feb I'm an open target for Sony to show me something in that time that will entice me to wait for a ps3. Like crazy in-game movies. Decent launch price. Better availabilty. AND most importantly early summer launch.
I understand the concept of creating demand by limiting supply for free press and pschylogical marketing purposes but I think they are making a bigger mistake by not grabbing NA when they have the chance.
[QUOTE=Master-Mold]BlahblahblahQUOTE]
Funny blaming MS' for something you're willingly putting yourself through. Personally I've never understood people that are that desperate for a gaming console. Just have patience and wait.
Some people really need to find alternative hobbies, not directing this at you, thinking more of the people that camp outside stores days on end when a console launches. Those people need to get a job and a life.
LOL I don't think so. I think they are just turning more of the planet into slobbering Xbox 360 wanters. It doesn't matter in the end if you have to wait, you will still want it. MS wins.
drpepper
22-Nov-2005, 16:59
[QUOTE=Master-Mold]BlahblahblahQUOTE]
Funny blaming MS' for something you're willingly putting yourself through. Personally I've never understood people that are that desperate for a gaming console. Just have patience and wait.
Some people really need to find alternative hobbies, not directing this at you, thinking more of the people that camp outside stores days on end when a console launches. Those people need to get a job and a life.
The problem is not these people's willingness to wait for a console, but that MS intentionally chose to spread its resources thin by orchastrating a doomed worldwide launch. It's basically lost business (if it comes to it). From the looks of it MS's supply will be strained in NA and probably Europe when it doesn't have to be that way. MS could have saturated the NA market, and when supply is good enough, move onto Europe followed by Japan.
If MS can't keep up with demand then eventually their potential buyers will lose interest. That's what's wrong here IMO.
#1gamer
22-Nov-2005, 17:01
How come you've only got one post to your name when you've already posted this? The reason this junk gets removed is because you've obviously registered just to attract people to that site. Try posting a bit of relevant stuff in threads for a few weeks before trying to get everyone to see your free magazine and you might have some more success.
Hey Shifty,
It only says I have one post because they keep getting deleted. Plus i just got back on Beyond 3D forums, and I don't remember what my old name was. What makes you think I am just trying to get everyone to go to that site?
#1Gamer, without a 360 :cry: :cry:
Master-Mold
22-Nov-2005, 17:07
[QUOTE=jonnyp]
The problem is not these people's willingness to wait for a console, but that MS intentionally chose to spread its resources thin by orchastrating a doomed worldwide launch. It's basically lost business (if it comes to it). From the looks of it MS's supply will be strained in NA and probably Europe when it doesn't have to be that way. MS could have saturated the NA market, and when supply is good enough, move onto Europe followed by Japan.
If MS can't keep up with demand then eventually their potential buyers will lose interest. That's what's wrong here IMO.
I wont lose interest, but you should have heard the stories and the anger from people through out the night. Everyone had their own little conspiracy story or silly reasoning for the shortage and most was negative towards MS.
MS is already viewed by many as an evil company and this didnt help much to the common customer. Of course the whole thing was made worse by so many awful retail employees who were giving out poor/false information or just being rude.
No one really knows what effect this could have, but it could actually be bad if demand isnt met by X-mas. Who knows how many parents may buy an alternate present instead for their loved ones.
drpepper
22-Nov-2005, 17:09
No one really knows what effect this could have, but it could actually be bad if demand isnt met by X-mas. Who knows how many parents may buy an alternate present instead for their loved ones.
I think iPods are in as big demand if not bigger than 360s.
#1gamer
22-Nov-2005, 17:09
I can't believe how few units this launch had. I think MS really botched this launch. They could have sold 3x as many as they will end up selling on launch day and get a huge lead in NA.
Now that I know I wont be able to get near one till Jan-Feb I'm an open target for Sony to show me something in that time that will entice me to wait for a ps3. Like crazy in-game movies. Decent launch price. Better availabilty. AND most importantly early summer launch.
I understand the concept of creating demand by limiting supply for free press and pschylogical marketing purposes but I think they are making a bigger mistake by not grabbing NA when they have the chance.
I think they made a mistake by doing that free 360 every 10 minutes thing. Those could hae been boxes we would have been willing to pay for. Than again, everytime I went on there, there were thousands of people signed up ofr a 10 minute block, so maybe they still made money???
The thing is, Microsoft knows that everyone wants one, knows they can charge $400 bucks for them, and knows they are going to sell out. I wonder how many units they actually sold this morning?
#1Gamer. Anyone want to give me a 360 for an early christmas present?
blakjedi
22-Nov-2005, 17:12
Sorry MasterMold... I think in the console games section last night I suggested that you guys try Sams clubs and BJ's...Click Me! if you have em out west... i told my other buddy about that this morning... he walked in this morning and got 2...
#1gamer
22-Nov-2005, 17:13
[QUOTE=drpepper]
No one really knows what effect this could have, but it could actually be bad if demand isnt met by X-mas. Who knows how many parents may buy an alternate present instead for their loved ones.
I think MS knows what there doing. Even if parenst buy alternate presents, their kids are still going to bug them for a 360, and they will still buy one. Remember when the original Xbox came out? Everytime stores got shpments in, the would sell out fast. It was that way for a long time after launch.
#1Gamer. Now just waiting to place a preorder on a PS3.
valioso
22-Nov-2005, 17:18
people in NA bitch because too few units, people in europe are happier because they are not having to wait 1 yr for it... can't please everyone
Master-Mold
22-Nov-2005, 17:23
people in NA bitch because too few units, people in europe are happier because they are not having to wait 1 yr for it... can't please everyone
They should have pleased Japan less, by about 150,000 consoles. Its not like they care anyway. 50,000 would be more than enough for them considering this launch pretty much doesnt cater to them at all.
150,000 more consoles in NA wouldnt have completely solved the issue, but it would have helped some and every single one would have been scooped up by now Im sure. I have been searching online for hours and cant find a single system. And no Im not paying $1000 on ebay.
Microsoft keeps trying to win over the Japanese, but what about your already loyal customers? They already get a cheaper Premium Package than the rest of us.
Titanio
22-Nov-2005, 17:32
Sorry to hear your woes. I'll be in the same position Friday week, when it launches in Europe (I'm minus a preorder), but I don't think I'll be camping out for one. I'll just do an early morning trip around the various stores locally, and if I get one, I get one, if not, oh well.
Sorry to hear these sad stories, that really hurts. This reminds me of Cricket crazyness here in India, once for a cricket match in Delhi, people stood in the line for more than 24 hours outside the bank (where the tickets were being sold). Thousands had to return empty handed. I wouldn't do something like that for anything, but I respect your sense of commitment and passion.
DarkRage
22-Nov-2005, 18:14
Sorry guys,
You have to understand that for the first time we are quite happy in Europe to be in the first wave. Which is nice from Microsoft.
However, this time has gone too far. I understand MS' strategy, but it is unfair. Here we are not having any problems with reservations, it looks like there are as many as wanted. Probably it is because this is a very pro-Sony territory, and Microsoft is prioritizing. Which makes a lot of sense for them, but is is unfair from a custotmer's point of view.
Good luck!!! I expect that after December 2nd, you will receive as many as they were able to produce.
Japan should not have a strong demand. Shitty line-up for japanese taste.
IMO MS is going to prioritize Europe and Japan. it makes sense for them. However it can really burn people there.
Reserved 2 weeks ago, number #21 for premium system in a small store, no availability problems. Much stronger demand than xbox1 launch (we were 4 idiots) but still, unfair compared to you!!!.
It's not good to abandon your strongest market just to prioritise a more lucrative one.MS needs to learn Aesop's Fables The Dog and The Bone.
AlphaWolf
22-Nov-2005, 18:36
You're gonna hate me for saying this but up here in Canada there are at least 7 stores
all within 30 min drive from my house that havent's sold out.
They all sold out within ~10 minutes around me. The Futureshop only had 18 systems to sell aside from preorders (~60). I picked up #17 sadly only a core, I showed up about 30 minutes before they opened the doors. Walmart only had 42 (18 core/24premium) they sold out before I got out of future shop (5-10minutes). (The walmart is only 100yards from FS so I wandered over). Superstore had a better price than FS on accessories and opened an hour later, so I stopped there also, there were more people in line there than at FS and it looked like they had less systems.
Guden Oden
22-Nov-2005, 18:53
people in NA bitch because too few units, people in europe are happier because they are not having to wait 1 yr for it... can't please everyone
Yeah, to all the whiny babies in the US whining because they didn't reserve their own system in time, cry me a river, alright! :D When did you become such bellyaching bitches anyway, would John Wayne have broken down and wept like a girl because Best Buy ran out of stock 2 guys before your position in line? :lol:
There's other countries in the world you know. We also want to play on the x360 within a reasonable amount of time. Don't be so fecking self-centered all the time...
1) MS does not have any competition this Xmas. The previous gen is just that - the previous gen. 360 is the only game in town for people to really boast about, so it will be the one people want.
2) People can bitch all they want, they will still want it and will buy it when it becomes available. Because of #1.
3) The userbase will be more widespread and in-sync, which must have some advantage. More people will be fully aware of the thing and want it.
MS isn't aiming to please, they are aiming to build a userbase as wide as possible as quickly as possible. They are in the strongest position I think I've ever seen. They have about a year to be build before PS3 shows up, and whenever Nintendo does. Worldwide launches are the future with the globalization of business. MS may be the first, but don't expect them to be the last.
Anyway, you will buy a 360 if you want one. Regardless of how long you have to wait. What's the rush anyway lol? WTF. Go play your friend's and then get one that's not a first rev bugged mess (from what I'm hearing).
MS is making a strong statement with the world wide launch to the publishers too by the way.
Did you ever wonder why there are more than 200 titles in the works already?
Don't blame MS, blame the scalpers :P BTW, any of you that couldn't get one in So Cal (LA area preferebly)?
Alpha_Spartan
22-Nov-2005, 19:28
I'm another one that got hosed by this launch. Worst. Day. Ever. I even called in sick. My biggest mistake was standing in line at Sears for nothing and not staying at Toys R Us when I was first in line.
Master-Mold
22-Nov-2005, 19:32
I'm another one that got hosed by this launch. Worst. Day. Ever. I even called in sick. My biggest mistake was standing in line at Sears for nothing and not staying at Toys R Us when I was first in line.
A friend of mine waited at a Sears since 7AM only to find out they only had 6 systems. He said around 60 people were there and they ended up calling out ticket numbers they randomly handed out. They called out the last two numbers for the 2 Core systems they had and a guy won, but said "forget it, I want the other one" and people started screaming prices they would pay for his winning ticket. Then another group started saying that was bull**** and they needed to draw a different number not let him auction his ticket. I guess it was close to a riot before security came.
*BTW my friend didnt win one.
Bobbler
22-Nov-2005, 19:39
I'm kind of glad that there is a limited supply, if it wasn't for that I'd probably have spent the money. I realized, after not being able to get ahold of one, that I really didn't want one that bad and I only really wanted one because it was shiny and new (new toys!).
I'll probably get one later on (which is just as well, more games out then and maybe cheaper), but thanks to MS it won't be for a while. There are plenty of games I need to finish on PS2 and plenty of new games coming down the pipe.
Nothing personal but if you spent money on face plates, you must rather enjoy being abused by MS.:twisted:
Master-Mold
22-Nov-2005, 19:57
Nothing personal but if you spent money on face plates, you must rather enjoy being abused by MS.:twisted:
They were Pelican brand for $9.99 each.
PARANOiA
22-Nov-2005, 22:37
I'll add to the pat on the back for a worldwide launch. It sucks if you were on top of the pile before and now it's been flattened. If you had to wait 1year+ you'd be bitching a little more, methinks.
MS can't win for losing.
Everybody bitches constantly they dont kiss Japan's butt enough.
Then the other half bitches constantly they kiss Japan's butt to much.
But anyway, 200k consoles would have made no difference.
The worldwide launch was the right call IMO.
Also, I got mine. I went to Wal Mart at 9:30 PM.
So I dont know what your strategy was, but it was lacking aparantly.
Also yeah a lot of people were complaining. But that's just because people hate MS, not anything they did.
So who cares? Didn't stop all those units from selling. If those people hate MS so much, by all means they were free to not buy one.
Hellbinder
22-Nov-2005, 23:39
MS can't win for losing.
Everybody bitches constantly they dont kiss Japan's butt enough.
Then the other half bitches constantly they kiss Japan's butt to much.
But anyway, 200k consoles would have made no difference.
The worldwide launch was the right call IMO.
Also, I got mine. I went to Wal Mart at 9:30 PM.
So I dont know what your strategy was, but it was lacking aparantly.
Also yeah a lot of people were complaining. But that's just because people hate MS, not anything they did.
So who cares? Didn't stop all those units from selling. If those people hate MS so much, by all means they were free to not buy one.
In other words.. You are one of the mere handfull of people in the entire country today who actually got an Xbox 360 before 2006. so... You dont give a rats *** about anyone elses problems it must be their own fault? And Microsoft is just fine by your standards becuase you got yours.... so get lost??
I dont hate M$.. but this crap has ticked me off. They are absolutly crazy. SCREW JAPAN. They could have sold a million units here in the USA *TODAY*. Instead they are going to completely miss the Christmas season here and likely lose a whole lot of sales when the PS3 hype machine hits full swing next fall.
Sending most stores in the USA 10-20 units is just plain ASSININE!!!
Rockster
22-Nov-2005, 23:39
I stood in line at wal-mart starting a 2:00PM, was 13th in line, and found out around 7PM that they weren't receiving the premium systems they were expecting. By this time, there were about 60 people in line for the 24 core systems they had. A near riot insued. I left, and showed up at Target at 4AM. Was 39th in line and they only had 16 core and 16 premium. Went home sad, tired, and cold. Heard lots of stories worse than mine from my fellow line warriors. Congrats to the lucky ones.
In other words.. You are one of the mere handfull of people in the entire country today who actually got an Xbox 360 before 2006. so... You dont give a rats *** about anyone elses problems it must be their own fault? And Microsoft is just fine by your standards becuase you got yours.... so get lost??
I dont hate M$.. but this crap has ticked me off. They are absolutly crazy. SCREW JAPAN. They could have sold a million units here in the USA *TODAY*. Instead they are going to completely miss the Christmas season here and likely lose a whole lot of sales when the PS3 hype machine hits full swing next fall.
Sending most stores in the USA 10-20 units is just plain ASSININE!!!
So what do you think the solution is?
PARANOiA
23-Nov-2005, 00:03
Went home sad, tired, and cold. Heard lots of stories worse than mine from my fellow line warriors. Congrats to the lucky ones.
Just some perspective...
IT'S A GAME MACHINE. You're not fighing on the front line :lol:
PARANOiA
23-Nov-2005, 00:04
I dont hate M$.. but this crap has ticked me off. They are absolutly crazy. SCREW JAPAN. They could have sold a million units here in the USA *TODAY*. Instead they are going to completely miss the Christmas season here and likely lose a whole lot of sales when the PS3 hype machine hits full swing next fall.
As someone who lives outside the US, you're selfish.
I see what they're saying though.
I probably could have easily missed out if I just didn't pick the right Wal Mart, even. The Wal Mart I got my accesories (different Wal Mart) at said they got zero premium paks. (Dont know how many core they got.) Then again that's a rinky dink Wal Mart.
PARANOiA
23-Nov-2005, 00:09
I see what they're saying though.
And I can empathise - honestly, I can. But to have someone posting "SCREW JAPAN", it's juvenille and selfish.
I'm in Australia. Know when I can buy an Xbox 360? March 2006. Did I post, "SCREW AMERICA?" No. You know what I did? I started a thread where like-minded people can share their thoughts. Getting angry never helped anyone.
Lord Darkblade
23-Nov-2005, 00:11
No he is probably right, solidifying your control over a large player base would be a sensible idea, their scatter shot plan may indeed pay off if it builds hype and stops people from purchasing the PS3, or in the short term the PS2, DS, PSP or perhaps someother expensive toy. The UK for example is likely going to be upset if the number of X360 complains keep up, we are used to pretty much perfect hardware, perfect games etc... first launch is nice however if its not up to the normal spec people will complain. I don't mind waiting normally, its nice to get a world wide release however the number of units truly is low, waiting another month and having a strong Christmas launch would likely have satisfied more people.
Traditionally you attempt to build a large user base in an area because there is no internet, players only really communicate in person so if only 4 people in your town have a console you aren't going to be having system linked games. However Live combats that to some extent.
The real question will be how will support be sustained up until Christamas and how early will PS3 launch, if Sony pull of a good marketing campagin MS not having a strong user base in any one area may kick them in the teeth, especailly if Sony can world Launch with a strong number of consoles (1.5,1,1.5 US, EU, JPN?).
Powderkeg
23-Nov-2005, 00:58
I showed up at the store at 11:50 PM last night and was the first to walk out of the store with my system. I had it home by 12:10 AM.
It pays to preorder as early as possible.
zidane1strife
23-Nov-2005, 02:24
Heh, a family member of mine was told he wouldn't get his pre-ordered x360 till dec cause those who payed in full were moved ahead in the list :lol: . Thankfully the local compusa got an outrageous number of x360s(supposedly 120 only like 10 were "retard":lol: ), were gonna give out the first 80 the first day, first come first serve. The other ones 10 per day for some bizzare reason.
NavNucST3
23-Nov-2005, 05:25
I got the one I pre'd back in May, and I got my other one today from CompUSA.
Whats the old adage about failing to prepare...
rabidrabbit
23-Nov-2005, 05:32
I read somewhere that the more accessories and games you bought with your xbox360 the higher up the preorder list you were moved.
Pretty screwed if that's true.
From everywhere I saw the preorders were filled up long before the price or release date was even anounced and games obviously weren't even finished at that point. Not preordering wasn't a failure to prepare on my part, I simply didn't feel like committing to a purchase before they even had their shit together.
valioso
23-Nov-2005, 13:02
I read somewhere that the more accessories and games you bought with your xbox360 the higher up the preorder list you were moved.
Pretty screwed if that's true.
I dont know if that happened somewhere, but it did not happen where I pre-ordered
From everywhere I saw the preorders were filled up long before the price or release date was even anounced and games obviously weren't even finished at that point. Not preordering wasn't a failure to prepare on my part, I simply didn't feel like committing to a purchase before they even had their shit together.
Well then you dont get one.
Simple enough. That's the eqaution going in.
At the Best Buy near me they didn't do packages, but I heard the Circuit City's were.
I checked online how many systems the closest Best Buy was getting, called around 6:00pm Monday and found about 20 people already in line....a friend went out immediately and got in line and started an "unofficial" numbering system and giving everyone in line a number if they were getting a system. At last place and count 32 (they were getting 38) he called me and said "come on down.....but hurry". I got there around 10:00pm and was # 35. We all camped out, some had tents, grills, heaters, etc..... and we all kept everyone as honest as we could (no one letting a friend come up and get in line with them). Around 4:45 am we all got together (about 50 + people now) and based on our numbers wrote our names down a list in order and lined up that way. When the manager arrived we handed him the list and said "This is how we got here, we've all agreed it's fair and please go by the list".
They did, all 38 "1st arrivers" got their Premium system and the last 10 in line got their core system.
The funny thing was people showing up at 6:46 am and getting in line behind us.....well at 7:00am Best Buy came out and handed us our "tickets" with a premium or core unit on it depending on what we were getting. The people who showed up that morning were raising hell that they didn't get one. Pulled the managers aside and argued that they were there to get one, etc.....and all that. I guess they couldn't understand that they showed up about 12 hours later than everyone else already there :)
So far mines been great. No issues, not any louder than the original Xbox (different pitch but not really louder or quieter), played COD 2 quite a bit, some PGR3 and even played Forza Motorsports (looks better on the 360 than the original Xbox). Played some .mp3 files off of a USB memory stick and viewed some .jpg images off the same. Downloaded some Xbox Live arcade trial games (Joust, Guantlet) and downloaded the Kameo demo.
This is really a very slick system!
Tom Crews
I don't know, $500 is still less than what I paid for PS2 with similar package, a year after it came out.
Tax included the prices are just ridiculous. This 'bundle of items' comes to $1040...
$575 Premium Pack
$70 extra wireless controller
$150 Wireless adapter
$35 Recharger
$70 Kameo
$70 PDZ
$70 PGR3
scooby_dooby
23-Nov-2005, 22:55
Tax included the prices are just ridiculous. This 'bundle of items' comes to $1040...
$575 Premium Pack
$70 extra wireless controller
$150 Wireless adapter
$35 Recharger
$70 Kameo
$70 PDZ
$70 PGR3
Are you talkin with PST? Here's what I paid in Alberta:
$540 - premium pack with PD0
$50 - wired controller
$59 - Kameo
$69 - COD2
$59 - NHL 2K6
= $831 with tax. Only about $100 more the I spent on the original XBOX, and I got 4 games with an extra controller. I got 1 more game the when I bought the xbox, got a wireless controller, got free component outputs, a bigger HDD and a free headset and remote. Not bad man!
Some tips to save you money:
- Screw the USB adapter. Buy a wireless bridge for $30
- buy a recharger from walmart, $20 WITH batteries
- get a wired controller for your 2nd
BTW: Lets not forget the $50 component cables that come with the Premium, that's money in the bank
Is this a prelude to the European launch? I feel bad for the fans. Personally after buying Jaguar, N64 and Gamecube at launch I am not making that kind of mistake again.
Price cuts ahoy!
Shogmaster
25-Nov-2005, 09:46
Price cuts ahoy!
You'll be waiting a while. ;)
Yep, and when I am ready to buy there will be a host of great games out. In fact I might even decide on PS3 depending on the strength of its games and the consoles price.
Patience is a virtue. ;)
scooby_dooby
25-Nov-2005, 20:12
All I know is it would sure suck to wait a whole year for PS3 to drop, and then not be able to get one at launch....that would be a burn
AlphaWolf
25-Nov-2005, 20:22
All I know is it would sure suck to wait a whole year for PS3 to drop, and then not be able to get one at launch....that would be a burn
Well if you're gonna be waiting for the price to drop on things, you are gonna be waiting for sometime in 2007. Other than games most of the other stuff won't be dropping in price yet.
scooby_dooby
25-Nov-2005, 20:42
I wouldn't be totally surprised to see a $200-250 core system next x-mas, that would really help MS catch the gamers who can not afford the launch price of PS3, or simply cannot find one cause they're all sold out.
mckmas8808
25-Nov-2005, 23:03
I wouldn't be totally surprised to see a $200-250 core system next x-mas, that would really help MS catch the gamers who can not afford the launch price of PS3, or simply cannot find one cause they're all sold out.
Well if MS drops the price of the 360 to $200-$250 then I expect the PS3 to launch for no more than $299.99. Point blank there's no way Sony launches for $399 while MS has the basically same system for 50% less. NO WAY!!
scooby_dooby
25-Nov-2005, 23:07
If they can afford to. MS is loosing $130 on it's console, with no CELL, and no BR drive.
ALso I think KK it too proud for that, he'll launch at $399 regardless, maybe $350 but I doubt it.
BUt hey, we can hope right!? A $299 PS3 would be on my x-mas list that's for sure.
Joe DeFuria
26-Nov-2005, 01:20
Well if MS drops the price of the 360 to $200-$250 then I expect the PS3 to launch for no more than $299.99. Point blank there's no way Sony launches for $399 while MS has the basically same system for 50% less. NO WAY!!
You're saying a 360 "core" is basically the same system as a PS3?
mckmas8808
26-Nov-2005, 01:44
You're saying a 360 "core" is basically the same system as a PS3?
Basically yeah for gaming. Other stuff like watching Blu-ray movies, bluetooth tech, extra USB ports, etc are extras that are great, but not worth twice the price imo. Maybe $100 more but not worth $200 more.
Inane_Dork
26-Nov-2005, 03:02
I don't know. Those extra USB ports are worth at least $23 alone.
Joe DeFuria
26-Nov-2005, 03:28
Basically yeah for gaming. Other stuff like watching Blu-ray movies, bluetooth tech, extra USB ports, etc are extras that are great, but not worth twice the price imo.
If the public perceives a 360 "core" as the same as standard PS3...then Sony is in trouble.
Of course, Sony could always try a couple SKUs as well...
AlphaWolf
26-Nov-2005, 03:44
If the public perceives a 360 "core" as the same as standard PS3...then Sony is in trouble.
Of course, Sony could always try a couple SKUs as well...
What would they cut out? the BR? Or do you mean make a higher end sku?
Powderkeg
26-Nov-2005, 04:25
What would they cut out? the BR? Or do you mean make a higher end sku?
Higher end would be the only option. Include a hard drive with software, and perhaps an Eye Toy type peripheral for the same price as the Premium 360.
drpepper
26-Nov-2005, 13:53
Sony has claimed (http://consolewar.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143322), a while back, that they would only provide 1 option. But that was a long time ago when MS announced they would provide 2.
Joe DeFuria
26-Nov-2005, 14:02
What would they cut out? the BR? Or do you mean make a higher end sku?
I said perceive.
If the public thinks "hey, the PS3 is 'the same thing' as the 360 core version", then Sony is in trouble. I don't see any way that Sony is going to sell a PS3 at the same price as the 360 core version, (unless Sony comes out with a lower end SKU). I predict the 360 core will be $250 at most by the time PS3 launches in the U.S. I say "effectively", because if MS doesn't lower the price, they will at least include a 1 game bundle with it...or perhaps include a memory unit, etc., that will be "worth" $50.
typoEDR
26-Nov-2005, 14:04
I said perceive.
If the public thinks "hey, the PS3 is 'the same thing' as the 360 core version", then Sony is in trouble. I don't see any way that Sony is going to sell a PS3 at the same price as the 360 core version, (unless Sony comes out with a lower end SKU). I predict the 360 core will be $250 at most by the time PS3 launches in the U.S. I say "effectively", because if MS doesn't lower the price, they will at least include a 1 game bundle with it...or perhaps include a memory unit, etc., that will be "worth" $50.
That would only happen if the PS3 launch line-up was lackluster or the BR launch selection consisted of... uh... Stealth.
Well forget worry about the BlueRay lineup consisting of just Steath, a they have already made coppies of Charlie’s Angels: Full Throttle. :D
AlphaWolf
26-Nov-2005, 18:49
I said perceive.
If the public thinks "hey, the PS3 is 'the same thing' as the 360 core version", then Sony is in trouble. I don't see any way that Sony is going to sell a PS3 at the same price as the 360 core version, (unless Sony comes out with a lower end SKU). I predict the 360 core will be $250 at most by the time PS3 launches in the U.S. I say "effectively", because if MS doesn't lower the price, they will at least include a 1 game bundle with it...or perhaps include a memory unit, etc., that will be "worth" $50.
I'll agree that microsoft will most likely have a bundle for next year, I don't expect them to have actual price drops, I think they'd like to compete based on a strong title lineup rather than being cheaper.
I said perceive.
If the public thinks "hey, the PS3 is 'the same thing' as the 360 core version", then Sony is in trouble. .
people wont, people will say, wow the ps3 has bleuray and whatnot..
I fail to see where people will mix up with a core xbox360
scooby_dooby
27-Nov-2005, 01:05
BR as a selling feature is totally exagerated IMO. I think the 360's interaction with WindowsXP machines, it's abilities to seamlessly connect to the PC is a much greater selling point for the majority of people than a BR player.
thats fine if you believe that... we will see next year
valioso
27-Nov-2005, 01:48
BR as a selling feature is totally exagerated IMO. I think the 360's interaction with WindowsXP machines, it's abilities to seamlessly connect to the PC is a much greater selling point for the majority of people than a BR player.
not with the casual customer.. casual customers don't have a knowledge in networking needed for that.
Serenity Painted Death
27-Nov-2005, 02:30
I wouldn't undervalue blu-ray...
You can get cable (sports and the like, movies are still in 480p pretty much) in HD... you can get your games in HD... but you can't get movies in true HD really as of yet.
The people with them are going to want them, and B-R is definitely going to be a BIG motivating factor for that sector of the market (those people that MS and Sony are targetting).
PS3 will be cheaper than B-R or HD-DVD players when it comes out, and even if the price is a draw, you're getting a lot more than /just/ a player with PS3.
scooby_dooby
27-Nov-2005, 02:46
not with the casual customer.. casual customers don't have a knowledge in networking needed for that.
but they have an interest in spending $1000's on a HDTV and re-purchasing their DVD collections for a slightly crisper image? Right...
The idea of sharing your music collection to the TV, allowing a very simple and easy to use interface, without having to sit down at the PC or anything, is something that will appeal to pretty much everyone on some level, BR only appeals to a small minority.
My 360 came with a little card, it shows a modem plugged into a router, then 2 cables one going to your pc, one to the x360. Now that's pretty damn simple. It has one URL on the card www.xbox.xom/pcsetup (http://www.xbox.xom/pcsetup), you run a single program it sets up your firewall, and enables Media Connect.
The rest is simply following the on-screen directions on the X360, it basically walks you through the whole process. Sharing music is as simple as browsing the HDD from the 360 and selecting a folder.
Vista will be coming out next year, this will have MediaConnect out of the box, so that should eliminate the download completely making it even easier.
Joe DeFuria
27-Nov-2005, 02:59
people wont, people will say, wow the ps3 has bleuray and whatnot..
I fail to see where people will mix up with a core xbox360
I tend to agree...that is, (assuming Sony only has one SKU), the market perception will be that PS3 offers more than XBox 360 core.
I said if the perception is that the Ps3 is comparable to the 360 core in terms of "the product", then Sony is in real trouble. My point was, someone was saying Sony won't release a PS3 that is possibly $150-$200 more than the Xbox 360 core. I don't see why Sony wouldn't do that assuming there is the market perception that you get more from the PS3 than the XBox 360 core.
I assume that the PS3 will be targeted to compete (price wise) with the 360 Premium version.
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