View Full Version : Dreamcasts roll in the origins of the XBox fan base
Discussion in several different threads today got me thinking about something that I've thought about in the past, on and off.
Basically that question is: how many of the current XBox owners/fans were once Dreamcast owners/fans?
The reason I wonder is because I cannot help but notice the large number of Sega fans among all of the XBox owners out there. And on top of that, they seem to be some of the most vocal MS supporters there are. It could just be that later fact - that so many are so vocal - that makes it seem like there are a greater number of former Dreamcast owners than there really are, but I think it'd be interesting to find out.
Is MS and it's XBox basically viewed as the default successor to Sega?
Now, I would prefer if no one other than current (or former) Xbox owners voted in this poll. I think B3D is pretty good about respecting this stuff, and I myself will not be voting. For 'us,' I've made an extra vote choice, basically: 'Just watching' so that we can follow along with the results.
I also think that like that 'B3D Console Interest' poll recently, contentious posts should be kept to a minimum and focus around personal experience and opinion.
The GameMaster
02-Nov-2005, 02:12
Myself I was always more of a Nintendo fan up until after the Nintendo 64 days, I was more impartial to Sega myself... perferring Nintendo systems and games over Sega's, yet knowing that there was some really good games to play on the Sega platforms and have played a number of these games at times. In any case after it became apparent that Nintendo was not going to deliver the games that I wanted to play on their platform anymore I did eventually pick up a Dreamcast as well as a couple of RPGs that was interesting me at the time. Little did I know that the RPGs on the Dreamcast marked the end of the great Japanese RPGs... and for what it was worth I really enjoyed Skies of Arcadia and Grandia II on the Dreamcast and consider them not only the best Japanese RPGs of this generation... but the last great Japanese RPG as it stands right now.
The Dreamcast was the first Sega system I owned... and it was the last after their platform went under. In certain aspects I do consider the XBox platform a spiritual successor to the Dreamcast and Sega platforms in general... and I believe Sega will need to make a decision sooner rather than later in regards to their games, because how fragmented their fan base during this current generation has really hurt them. They need to decide on either releasing all of their games on all supported platforms or they need to choose just one platform and stick to that one platform... otherwise they will continue to have problems.
Mefisutoferesu
02-Nov-2005, 02:29
If it's of any use to you Xbd, I've thought the exact same thing. In fact, when Xbox came out and I saw the SEGA support, I infact thought that very thing. Xbox is the reincarnation of SEGA.
It's kinda humorous now because the Xbox 360 is almost in the exact same position now as the Dreamcast was at it's launch. The similarities are striking, and I'm sure every industry analyst worth their salt is watching the 360 so intensely they could probably burn a hole through it. It's a once in a lifetime chance to have such a excellent foil (Dreamcast/Xbox360) to see what's flys and falls in the industry and to gleen information on how to do things right/wrong.
(Note: I'm not saying the XBox360 would fail. In fact, I suggest the opposite. There's just a number of similarities between the two and I feel there's a good learning lesson in their foil. If it bothers you, sorry, but don't scream to me about it being absurd, since I obviously don't think that the case.)
AlStrong
02-Nov-2005, 02:30
Didn't care too much for consoles after SNES until the day I held aloft my sword and said, "by the power of Grey Skull!"
...I mean, when I went over to my friend's house and played Halo. :oops:
(Note: I'm not saying the XBox360 would fail. In fact, I suggest the opposite. There's just a number of similarities between the two and I feel there's a good learning lesson in their foil. If it bothers you, sorry, but don't scream to me about it being absurd, since I obviously don't think that the case.)
Ok Mefisuto I bolded that part of your post just to make sure everyone instantly recognizes you weren't trying to derail the thread. ;)
Please please everyone... I'm not trying to make any Sega:MS comparisons, so let's just leave that out entirely. Also I might as well ask that for the most part, only XBox owners post so that no one feels there's a flame-trap being set here. Or if us non-XBox people post, that it just be on very neutral grounds.
Like... Gamemaster, I feel that I know you better now. :)
Hardknock
02-Nov-2005, 02:35
The reason I wonder is because I cannot help but notice the large number of Sega fans among all of the XBox owners out there. And on top of that, they seem to be some of the most vocal MS supporters there are.
Here's why this poll is a little skewed. I have always been a Nintendo man, never liked Sega. Dreamcast was my first Sega console, so just because I liked that console doesn't mean I'm a Sega f@nboy. I just really loved the games the console offered, and the graphics were unbelievable at the time. I then bought a Gamecube and Xbox.
Here's why this poll is a little skewed. I have always been a Nintendo man, never liked Sega. Dreamcast was my first Sega console, so just because I liked that console doesn't mean I'm a Sega f@nboy. I just really loved the games the console offered, and the graphics were unbelievable at the time. I then bought a Gamecube and Xbox.
Hardknock to be honest I pared the choices down as best I could. I couldn't possibly address various degrees of Sega fandom, so I chose pretty well-rounded answers.
I feel you are pretty well covered by option #2 to tell you the truth, as it in no way implies having been a Sega diehard.
Mefisutoferesu
02-Nov-2005, 02:40
Geh, sorry, Xbd. Got off on the wrong foot, if you want I can delete the post.
Geh, sorry, Xbd. Got off on the wrong foot, if you want I can delete the post.
Mafisuto it's cool, don't worry about it. ;)
(Now let's leave the floor to XBox owners)
PARANOiA
02-Nov-2005, 03:05
I owned a DC, then moved to XB because of the support of my fave Sega titles, such as the then new Panzer Dragoon title, Jet Set Radio, and Shenmue.
I've always had a pretty strong resentment for Sony for a few reasons. I had two PS1's, both in their "expensive" period (AU$700, and AU$499) and both died just after warranty period. I complained about the build quality but was told that it was just how it went. Talking to others I found the problem wasn't uncommon.
I moved to DC after this, when I needed a new machine. I saw Soul Calibur at a shop demo and know the next gen had hit. The DC wowed me with all the ingenuity and amazingly "different" games coming out for it, the likes of which I'd not seen before.
When Sega fell over, I was quite miffed, and felt the blame largely lay in crappy marketing by Sega, and Sony's then-young PS2 being over-hyped and over-promised by Sony (which I still believe to this day).
I went without a console for quite a while, living off DC games that I grabbed where I could (Skies of Arcadia in a 2nd hand store - woot).
When I saw JSRF running on the Xbox, I thought it was time to plonk down and get a machine which may have had a future, and quite possibly wouldn't have any build issues. Ironically, my Xbox DVD drive died just after warranty, so I wasn't too happy about that. Add the fact that HD support was removed from the Australian machines after sale and the component adapters removed from the shelf, and I feel MS did a crappy one on me too.
Overall, and on topic, the DC -> XB move was inspired by a library move more than anything. Next gen, I'll probably move to PS3 purely for the Japanese support. My fave games this gen for Xbox were the Japanese-inspired ones (particularly Ninja Gaiden and JSRF). After going to Sony Plaza in Ginza a couple of months ago, and seeing some fun PS2 games which never made it out over here, I feel like there's a market for me out there somewhere, it's just not obtainable right now.
As a closing statement, I'm not trying to bash Sony, MS or Sega here... I'm simply stating a series of events as it happened to me, and how it related to my purchases.
That's a long post. Back to work :wink:
Inane_Dork
02-Nov-2005, 03:15
I wasn't really aware of the console market until E3 2001. I think the timing had something to do with that being the first E3 after I started following video game news in earnest and it being such a big E3 for console gaming. I live in Redmond and know several MS employees, so my eyes were drawn to the Xbox to check it out.
So I never got a DC simply because it died about the time I got hooked up.
DigitalSoul
02-Nov-2005, 03:30
Yes, I owned a Dreamcast. However, I went from DC to PS2 to Xbox. I got my DC christmas 2000( I admit, it was a PS2 I wanted). I was happy with though....... untill just a few months later the news started to spring up that Sega was dropping support, going 3rd party and VF4 was in works for the PS2...arrgh!
My friend was a big Sega fan, so he was shocked when he heard that they were dropping support for the DC. He has no interests what so ever in Xbox though, so he got a PS2 and he likes it just fine.....
I went gamcube .
dc to gamecube .
thundermonkey
02-Nov-2005, 03:45
I went gamcube .
dc to gamecube .
Same here more or less.
I've got all three, PS2 is crapped out, Xbox DVD drive is wonky at times, and my GCN (launch day Cube, still works better then fine.)
I've always been a Nintendo and Sega fan, not that big a fan of Sony being that for two gens in a row their consoles have stopped working on me.
I like where MS has started, and when the 360 is cheaper I'll probably be picking it up.
PS3's the one I'm iffy about, I know I'll be pissing my pants for one when MGS4 comes out, and the next Silent Hill, but still not too sure.
Revolution I'll probably be picking up the day it releases, love the idea of that controller, and Nintendo consoles notoriously never fail. I don't think I can go wrong with a Rev.
scooby_dooby
02-Nov-2005, 03:49
nes > snes > n64 > ps2 > xbox > xbox360
I was the biggest SEGA diehard around. Devoted thousands of hours to my hobby site Dreamcast Technical Pages, but I refuse to support MS. My support is now with Nintendo and Sony.
Still a SEGA fan, and want more of their great games. Panzer Dragoon Saga sequel, and Eternal Arcadia sequel.
see colon
02-Nov-2005, 03:56
i think the reason there are so many sega->microsoft conversions is because...
-> sega and sony were competators, thus sony are evil
-> sega and nintendo were competators, thus nuntendo is evil
->microsoft never directly competed with sega in the living room, shenmue (the crown jewel of the DC) and panzer dragoon (the crown jewel of the saturn) went to XBOX, so sega fans go to XBOX
me, i'm console agnostic. i own all 3 current generation consoles, but my real passion is PC and portables. i even own a game.com
i wonder if the 2 game.com fans in the world bought NDS's
Johnny Awesome
02-Nov-2005, 04:10
A more useful poll would be to found out what systems all the DC users bought.
I had the PS1 and thought it was ok but never really got into it. When the Dreamcast came out, there was just something about it that I loved. Soul Caliber was awesome, Skies of Arcadia, NFL2k, NBA2k... the system just ruled. Playing Phantasy Star Online with my buddy.
I really admired what they were trying to do, which I believed/believe was to move the video gaming industry forward. PS2 came along with all these promises but in the end what did it offer? Improved graphics was it--and you didn't even get that initially.
So when the Dreamcast died its early death I very much resented Sony, since I cluelessly believed it all to be the fault of Sony. It wasn't until later that I learned there were many other reasons.
Besides, the PS2 has brought me such greats as Ico, Katamari Damacy, Dark Cloud 2 (amazing!), God of War, Ratchet and Clank, Eye Toy, and others. So we've since kissed and made up.
But people talk about the similarities between the DC and Xbox and others will shout them down, saying it's a stupid correlation, but honestly, the similarities are strong. When Peter Moore joined up at MS I about shat a brick (he's a bit of a one-trick pony: "Hey, I know, let's do some kind of MTV Special!"). Xbox Live is the natural progression of the DC's online system.
And the PS3 is full of promises but will largely amount to improved graphics (I'll shat another brick if I hear them do anything remotely interesting in terms of online). But they have some amazing games, so I don't complain too much. Of course, I have the luxury of being able to buy multiple systems over the long haul, so console debates are less interesting to me, in the end.
<apologies for the long-winded post>
.Sis
I was the biggest SEGA diehard around. Devoted thousands of hours to my hobby site Dreamcast Technical Pages, but I refuse to support MS. My support is now with Nintendo and Sony.
Still a SEGA fan, and want more of their great games. Panzer Dragoon Saga sequel, and Eternal Arcadia sequel.
I don't get the refusal part. If it's a good system and has games you want to play, why wouldn't you buy the system? Panzer sequel came out on the Xbox, if I remember correctly...
.Sis
darkblu
02-Nov-2005, 04:31
erm, where's the
'i owned a dreamcast and i wouldn't get an xbox even if they were giving it for free.'
I went gamcube .
dc to gamecube .
so did i. due to complex reasons, the leading of which being exclusive titles.
but technically speaking the only other console that was in the same cost/performance league as the dreamcast this gen was the cube.
<nu>faust
02-Nov-2005, 04:32
megadrive>snes>saturn>dreamcast>ps1>gamecube>xbox>ps2
i never bought a system on launch,always traded them for the next one when i played their AAA exclusive titles.(i'm still keepin' my cube for twilight princess though)
Comfortably Lomb
02-Nov-2005, 04:57
NES ---> Genesis ---> N64 ----> PS2 + Gamecube ---> 360
In retrospect I wish I had gone with a SNES instead of a Genesis and an Xbox instead of a PS2. But hey, what can you do?
seismologist
02-Nov-2005, 05:04
I didn't see a correlation between DC and Xbox. I went from DC to PS2 because I like the Japanese console games.
@Johnny Awesome: Well, it was really the Dreamcast ---> XBox connection I was interested in, but you're more than welcome to start a poll asking what happened to Dreamcast owners in general. Certainly this thread is providing a window into that regardless it seems though. :)
@Darkblu: You're right, I probably should have put an option for Dreamcast owners who actually loathe MS' console, just for statistical purposes, but again I was really looking at it more from an XBox perspective.
Gamecube is the only current-gen console I've purchased after Dreamcast. I still find myself buying and playing more Dreamcast games though.
It's true there is a lot in common between Dreamcast and Xbox, but in the end, it matters little as the types of games each consoles cater to is very different. Microsoft's involvement in developing an OS for Dreamcast may have encouraged them to enter the console business, taking Dreamcast as a benchmark model, but so was Sony. They were impressed by the potential of Sega CD which catapulted them to create a CD-ROM add-on for SNES, which once again catapulted to creating their own Playstation. I see little similarities between SegaCD and Playstation in terms of gaming experience however. Sega's very own SegaCD was inspired from Turbo Grafx CD, but once again, both NEC and Sega went separate ways on contents on each of their CD-ROM add-ons.
Dreamcast may have been a spiritual successor of Saturn in terms of hardware features, (eg. Netlink to DC online) but each consoles offered distinct gaming experience to set them apart. Dreamcast didn't quite rely on PC developers, Xbox took them to the full steam. Xbox is also absent of large libraries of arcade games that made Sega's consoles unique.
The controllers may feel similar, they may share same dedication to online games, they may both show great support for progressive scan, but they are no longer the same when it comes to games. I once felt a sense of apathy towards Xbox when JSRF, Gun Valkyrie, and Panzer Dragoon were announced, but today, I just accept Xbox as a distinct platform of its own.
With the unfortunate demise of DC, I don't feel any sense of belonging towards any of the venders anymore. I'm now impartial towards all three remaining venders. Nintendo and Sony may have damaged Sega in the past, but it's all in the past.
Very few of my Dreamcast friends see Xbox as a spiritual successor of Dreamcast, like me. Most think Xbox as a heavy derivation of PC, having some features of DC intact, but not enough to feel an attachement towards it.
I was a PC gamer, got tired of always having to worry about updating my PC, whether a game would work with my system, patches, bugs and so on and since I was new to the console scene the only thing I knew was MS had a console with an Nvidia card so from a hardware perspective it was the most familiar console and then there seemed to come quite a lot of PC kind of games for it so I went with and xbox...
Tap In's gaming trail:
PONG
Atari 2600
Intellivision
NES
SNES
Genesis
Sega CD :lol:
PS1 (bought 2 of them actually, over the years)
3DO (woops... almost forgot) ;)
N64
PC gaming
Dreamcast
Xbox
X360
Dreamcast was one hell of a machine (played it with a VGA adapter on my computer monitor for a glorious image quality) and I thought it was doing everything as well or better than the PS2 (ie, online gaming), except for the damned lack of DVD and the marketing, sony has good marketing.
Xbox lured me with a solid plan for their system; HDD -no friggin memory cards and a high speed online multiplayer promise (delivered one year to the day of launch) and some great games.
Since I never really had any hatred for MS as some people do, it was a no brainer.
some people just hate MS. Period.
One interesting anecdote is, when Microsoft felt out the SEGA support back in the days before the Xbox 1 launch, SEGA actually asked MS to add Dreamcast compatibility to the new console of MS. MS of course rejected it, but it'd have been interesinting if Xbox had had DC compatibility.
You can ask more direct question, like DC owner, what you move on to after its demised ?
Xbox, PS2, GC, or still on DC its the greatest console ever :) This poll don't give the entire picture.
One thing I ve noticed is that many lowyal SEGA fans hate Sony because they blame the Playstation and Sony's tactics for how SEGA ended up.
These are the last people to buy a Sony Playstation console.When MS entered the market they saw MS as the competitor that would crash Sony and make Sony "suffer" just as Sega suffered thanks to Sony's marketing and tactics.
Many bought XBOX's and supported them because they saw it as a chance to avenge.
Sounds stupid but its true
<nu>faust
02-Nov-2005, 13:41
One thing I ve noticed is that many lowyal SEGA fans hate Sony because they blame the Playstation and Sony's tactics for how SEGA ended up.
These are the last people to buy a Sony Playstation console.When MS entered the market they saw MS as the competitor that would crash Sony and make Sony "suffer" just as Sega suffered thanks to Sony's marketing and tactics.
Many bought XBOX's and supported them because they saw it as a chance to avenge.
Sounds stupid but its true
you might be right, maybe some kids out there really bought xbox or gamecube just to make sony "suffer" and "crash" but i think the real reason was the games. like ppl said before me many dreamcast fans who loved classic sega games (the ppl who had loved jet set future and panzer dragoon and shenmue) ended up buying xbox.
most of the people who bought ps1 (while other two big console manufacturers were shooting themselves in their feet) or kids who sony's grew up with dominance had seen no reason to jump to a non-sony console when ps2,xbox,cube came out since sony was undisputed "winner" of previous console race and most of the franchises they loved(gran tourismo,mgs) were promised to continue on ps2.
nintendo loyalist who had seen the fact that no matter how many copies gtas mortal kombats sell all those years nobody could really come close to miyamoto's genious designs (zelda:ocarina of times is the best console game of all time imo) realized that no matter how horrible nintendo's management is, they are still the best developers in the world sticked to nintendo.
london-boy
02-Nov-2005, 13:57
They might have tried to boicott Sony by buying MS and Nintendo hardware initially, but i'm sure that any real Sega fan bought a PS2 when they realised that it was the only console they could play VF4 on. :wink:
Only sad loonies calling themselves "real Sega fans" would miss out on VF4.
I was a PC gamer, got tired of always having to worry about updating my PC, whether a game would work with my system, patches, bugs and so on and since I was new to the console scene the only thing I knew was MS had a console with an Nvidia card so from a hardware perspective it was the most familiar console and then there seemed to come quite a lot of PC kind of games for it so I went with and xbox...
I'm basically in the same boat as you. Before PC gaming my parents bought our family an Atari 2600. Next up was the PC systems starting with the IBM PCjr. Does anybody else think the Xbox 360 eerily looks like the PCjr? Maybe somebody will make a Xbox 360 faceplate that looks like the PCjr? LOL
Anyway, after upgrading PC computers almost every year for about 15 years I decided to quit PC games and buy an Xbox in 2001. It was the first games console I ever bought for myself. Yeah, the parents bought a NES late in its life and I played a few games, but I was not much of a Nintendo fan. I tried the SNES a couple of times, but I really liked the Sega Genesis more. I would never buy one though. Played my cousin's or rented one(even a Sega CD). The first console that really interested me was the 3DO. I liked the PC like graphics and CD capability. Always hated cartridges. Next I played some N64, PS1 and Dreamcast that my roommate bought. I never liked the PS1 since I was spoiled with hardware accelerated 3D games on the PC at the time. The Dreamcast was more up my alley, but I would never spend a lot of money on one since it would have cut into my PC gaming software/hardware fund.
Had I not been PC gaming my console spending probably would have went this way...
3DO > Dreamcast > Xbox
Naturally I'm going for the Xbox 360 once I can afford it.
Anyway, I agree that hardware functionality has somewhat determined the kind of games it has. The Dreamcast and Xbox are lot like PCs and as such they had PC like games. Since PC games were my favorite it's no surprise that I liked the Dreamcast and Xbox.
Tommy McClain
The Virtua Fighter enthusiast community goes out of their way to access the NAOMI2 version.
Thing I notice in a lot of web gaming forums is that there are a lot of resentful former DC owners.
They think it was a great system, with unique innovative games which were introduced on the DC but that Sony hype and FUD and EA's sabotage killed the DC.
They also think if only Sega had more money. So MS was suppose to take up the mantle, be the console for true gamers. With MS money, revenge could be wreaked on Sony and EA.
A lot of them bought or still have the PS2. A lot of them still buy EA games. But they take every opportunity to shit on Sony and EA. They accuse the two of being in collusion. They still suspect that EA is going to sabotage the X360 by making the PS3 versions better or the true next-gen effort from their development teams. They think for instance that Madden 2007 will be a lot better because it debuts with the PS3, not because EA will have had more time to refine the game.
They think it was a great system, with unique innovative games which were introduced on the DC but that Sony hype and FUD and EA's sabotage killed the DC.Ha, I remember blaming EA, though I didn't think it was a sabotage. I was just so frustrated that they wouldn't support the DC.
Also, anyone remember Seaman? That game was weird.
.Sis
People believe EA was already in bed with Sony when they declined to support the DC.
EA has said they didn't like Sega making their own sports games, after they had to brawl against Sony for football on the PS1. NFL2K was certainly a high-profile showcase game for the DC.
But the conspiracy theorists believe EA is continuing this pattern by not optimizing their games for the Xbox, instead of the PS2, which is where they originally developed their engine.
They also blame EA for not being on XBL sooner, not beliving that MS may have had a role in the impasse.
TrungGap
03-Nov-2005, 03:21
Ah, the DreamCast. Soul Calibur, PowerStone, Jet Grind Radio, Virtua Tennis, Daytona, Sky of Arcadia, Grandia 2, Crazy Taxi, DOA2, Chu Chu Rocket, House of the Dead (got 2 light guns), Confidential Mission, SF Rush and more...oh the memories...
NES -> SNES -> PS1 -> DC -> XBOX (going)=> 360
XBOX's Halo sold me on it. Somehow, I didn't like Halo 2 as much, because you would switch between two characters. It distracting, because I felt like I'm having an identities crisis. They should give you an option to play each one, but shouldn't switch you between the two.
At one point I was tempted in getting a PS2 for Dynasty Warriors, it was that and Armor Core on the PS2 that appeal to me. Ha ha ha
I don't get the refusal part. If it's a good system and has games you want to play, why wouldn't you buy the system? Panzer sequel came out on the Xbox, if I remember correctly.
I want a sequel to Panzer Dragoon Saga, which is an RPG, and not a on-rails shooter like Panzer Dragoon Orta on the Xbox.
You don't understand the refusal part? It's like me saying why don't Xbox fans buy a PS2, or a GCN, both systems have lots of unique great games. Anyway, in the end, it's each person to his own, and that's fine by me.
blakjedi
03-Nov-2005, 05:20
They might have tried to boicott Sony by buying MS and Nintendo hardware initially, but i'm sure that any real Sega fan bought a PS2 when they realised that it was the only console they could play VF4 on. :wink:
Only sad loonies calling themselves "real Sega fans" would miss out on VF4.
Damn there goes my "real Sega fan" status.:twisted:
PARANOiA
03-Nov-2005, 05:27
I find this thread fairly symptomatic of why the Console Forum bothers me a lot of the time (and yet I can't keep away!).
A couple of quick facts:
I am able to have enjoyed the Dreamcast without being a Sega Fan.
I am able to own an Xbox without being a Microsoft fan.
I am able to dislike Sony for many reasons without having Sega-fueled anti-Sony hatred.
Try that on for size :wink: My preferences are based on my experiences, not on brand loyalty. I imagine there's a lot of people here who are in the same boat (be it on the other side of the fence).
fastasleep
03-Nov-2005, 05:41
I think the corelation has less to do with dreamcast and the xbox then it has to do with sega and the xbox. A lot of sega fans passed on the dreamcast due to sega's troubled history. A big part of the dreamcast fanbase was into sports and Visual Concepts which I've never really seen as being a part of sega. A number of friends bought dc systems just for 2k football and basketball and couldn't have cared less about titles like VF3TB or Sonic Adventure.
I've owned each and every sega home console system released with the exception of sega's add-ons like 32x and the cd add-on. Certainly one of the factors influencing my xbox purchase was sega's output on the xbox. Games like JSRF, Gun Valykrie, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Shenmue 2 among others tipped me in favor of an xbox and those titles with the exception of shenmue 2 were xbox exclusives. A lot of sega fans even break down their allegiances down to the various divisions. Some are AM2 fans, others Smilebit, and so on. Also, there were numerous rumors surrounding a potential buyout of sega by MS.
see colon
03-Nov-2005, 05:55
People believe EA was already in bed with Sony when they declined to support the DC.
EA has said they didn't like Sega making their own sports games, after they had to brawl against Sony for football on the PS1. NFL2K was certainly a high-profile showcase game for the DC.
But the conspiracy theorists believe EA is continuing this pattern by not optimizing their games for the Xbox, instead of the PS2, which is where they originally developed their engine.
They also blame EA for not being on XBL sooner, not beliving that MS may have had a role in the impasse.
there is some truth to some of this, though. visual concepts was formerly commisioned by EA sports to make madden nfl '96 (i think, i'm not a football fan in the least. it's the only year with a missing madden on current hardware) for playstation and saturn, but never finished it in time, or at least not as fast as ea wanted. VC later developed the 2k series for the dreamcast of course, but in the mean time, IIRC, finished up whatw ould have been madden 96, sans any ea/madden, and got published by VR sports in for '96, and developed nfl 97 using the same technology. i don't think ea was very happy about the situation at all. it's pretty rare for EA to not support a platform at all, even when it's not imediatly profitable for them. look at all of the sports love they gave the gamecube, including platform specific features like GBA connectivity. and they were right there for the launch of the ngage and gizmondo. there had to be something going on behind the scenes for EA to not shovel something onto the DC.
as for the xbox live vs. ea sports debate... i'm still not sure what the issue was, but MS stopped developing it's nfl fever series around the time ea began supporting live.
sytaylor
03-Nov-2005, 08:25
They might have tried to boicott Sony by buying MS and Nintendo hardware initially, but i'm sure that any real Sega fan bought a PS2 when they realised that it was the only console they could play VF4 on. :wink:
Only sad loonies calling themselves "real Sega fans" would miss out on VF4.
For that reason pretty much I bought a PS2... that and Pro Evo soccer.
I had a DC never owned an Xbox, where is that option on the poll?
I chose the 3rd option as I didn't own a DC when I bought my Xbox.
I bought a DC secondhand after I'd already purchased a PS2, GC + Xbox, due to recommendations for Soul Calibur and Shenmue (which IMO are very overrated). Xbox I didn't purchase for any particular reason, just because I could I guess - I didn't want to play any specific games on it. I'm happy with all the consoles except DC (my favourite game on it is Ikaruga and its on GC).
I can definitely see a Sega fan migrating to Xbox instead of PS2/GC for a number of reasons though, not least of all the Sega support.
I had a DC never owned an Xbox, where is that option on the poll?
We're not interested in that data, that's why it's not on the poll. ;)
deathstar121
03-Nov-2005, 19:02
I went from DC to PS2 at launch, to xbox and GC at there respected launches, as for next gen I am skipping there launch, PS3, 360, and, Rev don't interest me.
And yet, you're reading and posting in a console forum...
deathstar121
03-Nov-2005, 20:34
And yet, you're reading and posting in a console forum...
Just because they don't interest me doesn't mean I am not gonna buy them, or that I hate consoles, until I see actual gameplay that makes me jump up and say wow that looks like fun these system don't interest me, none of 360 launch titles, or games that are in production for PS3 and 360 have me saying damn I must get this system.
I think Microsoft got the Sega Sports fans, but the fans of Sonic moved to the GameCube. Virtua Fighter fans had no choice but to go to the PlayStation 2, but it seems that the 5th in the series will be on multiple platforms. I don't really think any of the other series had a fanbase large enough to matter.
I bought a Dreamcast in 2000, sold it in 2001 to pay for GameCube. Bought Xbox in 2002, bought Dreamcast back in late 2003 for $20.
Dreamcast rocks. It's not the greatest system ever (SNES, anyone?) but near the top.
I bought a Dreamcast in 2000, sold it in 2001 to pay for GameCube. Bought Xbox in 2002, bought Dreamcast back in late 2003 for $20.
Dreamcast rocks. It's not the greatest system ever (SNES, anyone?) but near the top.Yeah, there was just something special about the DC. I love my Xbox for its controller and for Xbox Live, my PS2 for games like Ico and KD, my GC because of...hmm, guess I just have a softspot for Nintendo. But the DC was just a good system and I really don't know why.
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I have to say that Sega game sales on XBox seem to completely contradict the idea that XBox is the Sega fans new console.
The highest baseline of sales for Sega games is on the Xbox which indicates that the system has the most buyers dedicated to the company, yet the highest average sales for Sega games is on the GameCube which demonstrates that the system has the largest crossover of fanbases and presents the best opportunity.
Certainly. I own 4 Sega games on Xbox (JSRF, Shenmue II, GUNVALKYRIE, PDO) and 4 on GameCube (SMB1&2, Sonic Heroes, Sega Soccer Slam) so I enjoyed both lineups..
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http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154&did=1
Mefisutoferesu
05-Nov-2005, 06:59
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http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154&did=1
Told ya :)
Thanks for the link one.
(Sorry, Xbd, couldn't resist)
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http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154&did=1
or page 2 :D ...
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=1&cId=3145154 ;)
Told ya :)
Thanks for the link one.
(Sorry, Xbd, couldn't resist)
It's ok. ;)
Comments based on any one of One's humor-targeted posts get a pass.
BlueTsunami
05-Nov-2005, 07:16
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http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154&did=1
#21 and #23 made me laugh. Crazy bald white guy. :lol:
Powderkeg
05-Nov-2005, 14:26
I think if you actually asked, most people who bought an Xbox are/were PC gamers, not Sega fans.
Most Sega games failed miserably on the Xbox. Seems strange if the majority of Xbox owners were Sega fans.
drpepper
05-Nov-2005, 14:31
I have to say, those points brought up are eerie, but page two of the article has a lot of truth in it which is why Xbox 360 will surpass the dreamcast.
Powderkeg
05-Nov-2005, 15:22
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http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154&did=1
That's funny as hell, and combined with page 2 is completely accurate.
NavNucST3
05-Nov-2005, 16:52
#21 and #23 made me laugh. Crazy bald white guy. :lol:
Its ok, not everyone can be BORICUA SOY!!!
That was interesting parallels, all of which I think our many threads have covered. Although with one posting it I was surprised it had a page 2 :lol:
NavNucST3
05-Nov-2005, 17:25
My owning a DC had no effect on my decision to buy an xbox. The only thing it has done to/for me is want another Skies of Arcadia, and be pissed off at people selling the BBA for $150.
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http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3145154&did=1
Thanks one for posting such "jewels". You made my day. ROTF.
Well voting seems to be winding down, and the results thus far are fairly interesting.
* ~61% of B3D XBox owners formerly or still own Dreamcast
* of that 61%, roughly a third seem to have adopted XBox as a console to replace or stand in for their Dreamcast upon it's death, while the rest feel that the appeal of XBox would have been enough on it's own to warrant it's purchase, Dreamcast's survival not being relevent
Going into the poll I would have expected fewer XBox owners to previously have owned Dreamcast - that's actually quite a large number - but of those individuals I might have expected a higher than 33% 'loyalty' to the system.
Anyway like I've indicated before, this poll wasn't to see what happened to the Dreamcast owners - because I know some people were kind of agitating for that - but simply to see how much of the XBox user base is/was linked to Dreamcast formerly.
I think next I'll try to determine what the trends are in the PS2 userbase throughout the years. With the most consoles sold, it'd be interesting to see how many bought it early on and then later abandoned it to go to one of the other consoles, how many enjoy it exclusively, how many enjoy it and own other consoles as well, and how many actually just recently bought it to supplement their 'primary' console, or in fact to switch to the PS 'side' altogether.
I owned a Dreamcast and now own an Xbox, but I moved onto GameCube after Dreamcast. (not even completely though, I think I bought Shenmue 2 after I got my GameCube, probably that Winter) I only got an Xbox more recently because I was interested in online play.
I don't think the Dreamcast fanbase really crossed over to Xbox, but rather over to GameCube and PS2. I don't think there's a single Sega game that's sold well on Xbox, yet the Sonic and Super Monkey Ball games did extradonairily well on GameCube (plus Nintendo and Sega have a somewhat common heritage), and Virtua Fighter 4 and the Sega Sports games did well on PS2. I'd say the classic Sega fans (those who grew up with Sonic) went to Nintendo, and the ones who grew up with Sega as the hip company (arcade games, Sega Does What Nintendon't, and the various things Sega tried to do to be mainstream) went to PS2.
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