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Do you think that the final PS3 will look different than what was shown @ E3?
Will Sony redesign the PS3 to look different than tubular design?
Will Sony redesign the PS3 controller to lokk more like the dual shock controller?
Will RSX be the same specs as E3?
Will Cell be the same specs as E3?
Will any other specs be changed from E3 (HDMI ports, Wifi ability, USB, etc..)?
Wondering if some of these changes that may occur are due to saving costs, manufactorablity, the E3 console and specs were only prototypes, etc..?
scificube
31-Oct-2005, 01:04
whoops...didn't know this was a poll. Message deleted.
I kind like the controller but whit the feedback they got I am sure they will change it.
Jabjabs
31-Oct-2005, 01:09
I don't know why but I just have this gut feeling that the RSX is going to take a slight change in clock rate, but I have bigger gut feeling that the controller is going to be the big change, that thing need to take a long hard look at it's self and get in shape.
dukmahsik
31-Oct-2005, 01:14
ps3 will loose a few connections, etc
controller will loose the batarang look but stay fairly similar
rsx may take a slight hit in speed
Decrease in specs is most likely .
since that isn't an option i voted controller
This poll is too limited in options; for example redesign of a controller and spec increase is not a granted scenario. And my own choice - 'no change' - is also not an option. ;)
EpicZero
31-Oct-2005, 01:29
I'm going with the controller for a few reasons:
A) No developers have touched the controller (Mark Rein hints that, I could be wrong though)
B) The reaction to the controller has been rather bad.
C) Sony has gone out of their way to state that the controller does not necessarily represent the final controller.
D) At TGS, Phil Harrison hinted that they've got some things about the controller that Sony doesn't feel like sharing at the moment.
I doubt the specs are going to decrease, I don't believe they did with the PSP (Didn't they increase?), the PS2, or PS (Not exactly sure about this one). Sony is pretty good with the specs, and they've given me no reason to doubt them. It's stuff like "Cell Storage" and such that I don't have faith in.
seismologist
31-Oct-2005, 01:38
I hope they dont change the controller. Hopefully they have enough sense to realize the complaints are from people who haven't even tried it yet.
I think it's kind of a cool looking icon for the system. As long as it's comfortable...
They'll change some other specs though. Probably nothing major but I expect it to change for the better to keep up with the changing market demand.
dubyateeeff
31-Oct-2005, 01:42
Where is the all of the above option?
:???:
EpicZero
31-Oct-2005, 01:58
I hope they dont change the controller. Hopefully they have enough sense to realize the complaints are from people who haven't even tried it yet.
I think it's kind of a cool looking icon for the system. As long as it's comfortable...
Don't let Sony hear you...
Who has used the controller?
DigitalSoul
31-Oct-2005, 02:22
I don't really have a problem with PS3's specs. I think most of reaction(good or bad) has been towards the overall look of the system......
So...a good amount of people think that the controller will change?...any ideas on what changes will take place?
Also, those that think there will be no changes...why?
Any other people think that the console itself will change (questions about vents on the console)(Sony realize they can arrange things differntly)?
Powderkeg
31-Oct-2005, 03:17
Don't let Sony hear you...
Who has used the controller?
I've used the MS Sidewinder Gamepad Pro which ironically is almost the exact same chape and I thought it was rather comfortable, albiet limited as a gamepad.
Where is the all of the above option?
:???:
You can use the other spec. option and explain further.
I've been thinking and well i want to say i think the sd slot will go . I think sony would be wise to keep just the memory stick port on the system.
rabidrabbit
31-Oct-2005, 05:51
I voted they'd change the RSX, but that's a bit silly vote to give as there's been little to none info of RSX given, so I think whatever comes will be "changed" compared to info we have today :)
Other than that, I think they'll change the PS3 casing a bit, mainly add more ventilation holes to the base of the machine, beside where the front usb ports are. There's also lot of empty space on the back for ventilation.
I'd like a cool Revolution style illuminated disc slot too, but I don't think it'll be there.
Don't think they'll change the Cell, but if anything maybe the eigth "redundant" processor will be activated if yields prove to be good enough.
The ports in the back, while I don't yet understand why there is two HDMI and two ethernet ports, I think they'll stay there with the rest and the front memory interfaces too.
The controller, I like it as it is. If you've seen it in pics where someone is holding it, it does appear to be much bigger than what it looks like in most photographs. I saw a short video where it was being set for photographing and there was a hand positioning the controller to various "poses", and, funnyily, it looked almost huge, or the hand was very small (an asian person's hand?).
The controller looks quite comfortable and imo also aestethically well desingned, and I can't wait to get my hands on it.
I think (again imo) much of the critisism is pretty much unfounded; many people were expecting a radical change from the DualShock and were either disappointed when it was just a change in "contours". It'd be interesting to hearwhat "people outside the funboy-internet-forums" think ;)
rabidrabbit
31-Oct-2005, 05:59
I've been thinking and well i want to say i think the sd slot will go . I think sony would be wise to keep just the memory stick port on the system.
You'd still need Memorysticks to save games anyway, I don't think the SD cards can be used to save games (or save anything?). They'd be there just for reading for example photos taken with Canon cameras, or mp3's etc... A bit like the PSP and iPod connectivity with xbos360 where they can only be used for reading data.
That would be no loss for Sony to allow competing memory formats to be used in PS3 as the "full" memory card compatibility would anyway be with just Memorysticks (PSP interconnectivity, possibly using the PS3 as some kind of pvr recording to Memorysticks to be later viewed on PSP... is this why there is two HDMI's? the other one an "in" port where you'd later be able to connect a new "LocationFree" unit that'd also function as a tuner for PS3+HDD pvr)
Don't think they'll change the Cell, but if anything maybe the eigth "redundant" processor will be activated if yields prove to be good enough.
I would assume that the clock will be the first to change based on yeilds, not the disabled SPU .
rabidrabbit
31-Oct-2005, 06:38
But would changing the clock affect more also the other components than activating a SPU?
Would memory clock need to be increased too, RSX clock?
I don't know as I'm no expert on hw design, but I remember reading in PS2 the clockspeeds were somehow "tied together" so that the CPU had to be some odd 294.22342 and GPU some 150.22342 to be "in sunc". Would the PS3 be same?
But would changing the clock affect more also the other components than activating a SPU?
Would memory clock need to be increased too, RSX clock?
I don't know as I'm no expert on hw design, but I remember reading in PS2 the clockspeeds were somehow "tied together" so that the CPU had to be some odd 294.22342 and GPU some 150.22342 to be "in sunc". Would the PS3 be same?
It depends how the system was made. I don't think it matters
Anyway they should be able to raise the clockspeed before they can activate another spu .
I doubt things are going to change. I'm sure once yields lvl out they will spin another mask that is 1x7 from the get go .
Brimstone
31-Oct-2005, 07:57
I'd like to see RSX with a XDR 128 bit memory controller and a pool of 512 MB of XDR Ram. The bandwith would be double of what GDDR3 offers at 128 bit. As it stands right now, the RSX has less bandwidth than a nVidia G70 PC part with a 256 bit GDDR memory controller, yet will have a much higher clock speed.
I'd like to see RSX with a XDR 128 bit memory controller and a pool of 512 MB of XDR Ram. The bandwith would be double of what GDDR3 offers at 128 bit. As it stands right now, the RSX has less bandwidth than a nVidia G70 PC part with a 256 bit GDDR memory controller, yet will have a much higher clock speed.
adding a xdr memory controller would be a huge change and i doubt its in the realm of possibilty to do at this point without major delays
Titanio
31-Oct-2005, 09:41
You'd still need Memorysticks to save games anyway, I don't think the SD cards can be used to save games (or save anything?). They'd be there just for reading for example photos taken with Canon cameras, or mp3's etc...
Seems a bit much just for browsing photos.
Masa Chatani pondered in an interview that it would be nice to be able to use SD/CompactFlash etc. just like a memory stick/card. So it's not confirmed, but they were/are certainly considering it.
other specs:
I believe Sony will come out with a few surprizes (not necesairaly huge things)
regarding possibilities with the ps3
also , maybe the controller was just a dummy where they have something completely different inhouse and want it to stay a secret (ala revolution controller)
a dualshok lookalike with built in trackball on the rightside to play FPS very good.
Brimstone
31-Oct-2005, 13:06
other specs:
also , maybe the controller was just a dummy where they have something completely different inhouse and want it to stay a secret (ala revolution controller)
a dualshok lookalike with built in trackball on the rightside to play FPS very good.
I like that speculation. A trackball would really open up a lot of new gameplay mechanics.
Tossing a grenade in a FPS, you use the trackball for trajectory. Spin the trackball back towards you for a underhand toss.
Golf games like Golden Tee take advantage of a trackball really well. Really lot of sports games could utilize a trackball. Even a mini game in Grand Thef Auto where you walk into a bar to play pool/billiards, you use the trackball to aim with the cue stick and put english on the cue ball.
Katamari with the trackball would work out probably as well.
rabidrabbit
31-Oct-2005, 13:28
I used to think a trackball would be nice in a controller, but the more I've given it thought the less practical it seems.
Thumb trackballs aren't very precise, the ball is just too small to give a good feel and long enough movement so that you wouldn't need to wildly spin the ball to make movement.
Those tabletop trackballs feel totally different because the ball is so big and heavier. you can actually use it with the palm of your hand not thumb.
Moreover, if they replaced the second analog stick with trackball, that would compromise too much the backwards compatibility. The most I can see them doing is add the trackball in the exsisting design somewhere.
No, I think there'll be something more conserning the new Eye Toy technology.
hmmm.. . a tilt sensing controller without a gyroscope or other sensor, but based on a camera on the controller.
The camera would be built in the controller and it would calsulate the tiltings based on the image the camera on the controller sees, or the Eye Toy would be traditionally positioned on top of TV, but the controller would have five "points of reference" possibly small leds that the Eye toy observes... kinda like a reverse lightgun
ok, how about this
you put eyetoy on top of your TV (standard included withevery ps3)
you put your left hand on your left boob , and your right hand on your right boob.
now the eyetoy is registering a virutal dualshock (you shock yourself :p) controller.
twist and squeeze left right, this will be translated as like you are holding a joypad.
the posibilities are endless.
now go play TEKKEN :smface
rabidrabbit
31-Oct-2005, 13:38
hey69, is that a rumour from a reliable source?
i dont comment on rumours ;)
what could I say, maybe the RSX will have some features will see in the next Nvidia GPU, let's wait and see....
london-boy
31-Oct-2005, 15:58
hey69, is that a rumour from a reliable source?
You can rest assured it's not from me. I don't do boobs related rumours.
Titanio
31-Oct-2005, 16:04
I'd love to see them throw a high def eyetoy in with every system, and have a controller that complements it with some extra functionality, but it's very unlikely.
Alpha_Spartan
31-Oct-2005, 16:38
The batarang will be slightly changed. The RSX will be revised to 500 MHz, some card slots will be gone, one HDMI port will be gone and the console will be slightly smaller due to the changes. Because of these changes the console will be one SKU launched at $400.
There will be some pissing and moaning, but in the end the changes will be better for consumers.
london-boy
31-Oct-2005, 16:46
The batarang will be slightly changed. The RSX will be revised to 500 MHz, some card slots will be gone, one HDMI port will be gone and the console will be slightly smaller due to the changes. Because of these changes the console will be one SKU launched at $400.
There will be some pissing and moaning, but in the end the changes will be better for consumers.
Well personally i wouldn't mind if they released a "core" version of PS3 without one HDMI, without the mem card slots, without all the things i'll never ever use use like the 87 USB ports. I will only ever need the controller ports (which i guess will be USB), the port for the HDD, a "normal" drive, and one HDMI port, and i think many people will be happy with that too.
Then have the fully fledged one with 2 HDMI ports on each side (even top and bottom), 98 USB ports per square inch, a card reader for every card that's ever been released ever since the dawn of time, a drive that can read every disc ever released in the history of discs (even vynil), espresso maker on each controller (so when we have those night-long sessions, we can just push the "coffee" button the controller and suck it from there directly), inflatable japanese promotion girl, ... for people who want to pay a bit more.
Alpha_Spartan
31-Oct-2005, 16:51
Well personally i wouldn't mind if they released a "core" version of PS3 without one HDMI, without the mem card slots, without all the things i'll never ever use use like the 87 USB ports. I will only ever need the controller ports (which i guess will be USB), the port for the HDD, a "normal" drive, and one HDMI port, and i think many people will be happy with that too.
Then have the fully fledged one with 2 HDMI ports on each side (even top and bottom), 98 USB ports per square inch, a card reader for every card that's ever been released ever since the dawn of time, a drive that can read every disc ever released in the history of discs (even vynil), espresso maker on each controller (so when we have those night-long sessions, we can just push the "coffee" button the controller and suck it from there directly), inflatable japanese promotion girl, ... for people who want to pay a bit more.
I will only support two SKU's if the $500 version includes an 8-track and Laserdisc slot. If not, Sony can shove it!
london-boy
31-Oct-2005, 16:58
I will only support two SKU's if the $500 version includes an 8-track and Laserdisc slot. If not, Sony can shove it!
Laserdisc should come as standard.
Heinrich4
31-Oct-2005, 17:09
Talking about redesigning ...and this case rumours(whith great "R") .... guys you see this?
Rumor: Dual Core RSX GPU!?!
The RSX GPU will be a dual core design; each chip contains 26 pipelines (total of 52 pipelines) and each core is currently running at 470MHz (550MHz?). The estimated transistor count is well above the 587 million mark. The RSX GPU has been in development for about 8-9 months, and in final silicon form. The rumor also states there?s a third core or setup engine to regulate both graphic cores, and all cores are link around a ?Cell like EIB interface?.
Source: BlueChipTurd: He claims he got the info from someone close to the STI group in California.
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=837578#post837578
Shifty Geezer
31-Oct-2005, 17:14
Source: BlueChipTurd: He claims he got the info from someone close to the STI group in California.And then he woke up and told the world about it.
Alpha_Spartan
31-Oct-2005, 17:31
Talking about redesigning ...and this case rumours(whith great "R") .... guys you see this?
Rumor: Dual Core RSX GPU!?!
The RSX GPU will be a dual core design; each chip contains 26 pipelines (total of 52 pipelines) and each core is currently running at 470MHz (550MHz?). The estimated transistor count is well above the 587 million mark. The RSX GPU has been in development for about 8-9 months, and in final silicon form. The rumor also states there?s a third core or setup engine to regulate both graphic cores, and all cores are link around a ?Cell like EIB interface?.
Source: BlueChipTurd: He claims he got the info from someone close to the STI group in California.
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=837578#post837578
Wow. This is what happens when imaginations run wild. Of course the dark side of this is that it leads to massive disappointment.
Yeah as a PSINext moderator I want it well known that I do not endorse that rumor in the least, and people's expectations have since been re-grounded in reality in that thread. ;)
(The problem with stickied mega-threads is that the same theories come up over and over, every couple of weeks or months, as no one can be expected to go into a thread new and read over all existing posts)
Some idea here...
I think it would be cool if say that Sony used the same controller from E3 and shorten the handles to about the size of the dual shock and then have an option for the thumbsticks to be able to be removed with using the ball for movement like a track ball.
dukmahsik
31-Oct-2005, 20:25
Talking about redesigning ...and this case rumours(whith great "R") .... guys you see this?
Rumor: Dual Core RSX GPU!?!
The RSX GPU will be a dual core design; each chip contains 26 pipelines (total of 52 pipelines) and each core is currently running at 470MHz (550MHz?). The estimated transistor count is well above the 587 million mark. The RSX GPU has been in development for about 8-9 months, and in final silicon form. The rumor also states there?s a third core or setup engine to regulate both graphic cores, and all cores are link around a ?Cell like EIB interface?.
Source: BlueChipTurd: He claims he got the info from someone close to the STI group in California.
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=837578#post837578
yeah sure and it'll all costs about $400 too
dubyateeeff
31-Oct-2005, 22:07
You can use the other spec. option and explain further.
Ah, ok :) Did that so... here is my explaination:
the console itself - the case has already been used a lot in their marketing and has some recognition. Isnt likely to change but who knows if they need space for large fans or can fit it all in a smaller case, then they will probably change its size.
The controller - batman called, he wants his batarang back! I want a bigger controller with shorter handles.
RSX specs - yield issues, guessing, like I do here... if they can hit 550mhz they will but the chance that they wont or will shoot over is higher IMO. So we will probably get 575mhz :)
Cell specs - who knows about yields... just like the RSX... it will probably end up higher or lower, my guess is lower at 3ghz.
They have been working on a TB but it has to be released on PS2 (some say it would be the new standard controller), some reports said marvels about it for FPS (RTS, should rule too), I think it would be a great new standard.
http://www.bodielobus.com/
http://forums.e-mpire.com/showthread.php?p=837578#post837578
RSX GPU:
I think the PS3 will either contain a dual core RSX GPU die design, or have dual RSX GPUs.
Think about this:
A simple speed increase (550MHz RSX) will not outperform a dual 430MHz 7800 GTX setup. A dual 7800 GTX setup is able to utilize all the pipelines (24 + 24 = 48 total pipelines) for better performance than a single 550MHz RSX GPU. Simply put a dual 7800 GTX graphic setup has the potential to output more data. Please don’t factor in PC bottlenecks that stop dual 7800 GTX cards from outperforming the PS3 as a whole. Imagine the PC or PS3 Alpha Kit without the current bottlenecks and having dual 7800 cards. This rant of mine deals with future games needing more GPU power rather than system throughput. Hell, Nvidia or ATI can release a GPU in late 2006 or Mid 2007 with enough GPU throughput power to overcome the PC bottlenecks.
Remember E3:
It’s well known that the PS3 demos (Unreal 3.0 Engine, ECT…) were running off PS3 Alpha Kits, that didn’t contain the RSX GPU, but rather dual NVIDIA graphic boards. Many thought it was dual 6800’s graphic cards, however that wasn’t the case. Actually the overall consensus is that they were (unannounced at that time) Dual 7800 GTX graphic cards. Why dual 7800s rather than dual 6800s graphic cards? Because the PS3 demos shown, more specifically the Unreal Engine 3.0 Demo will not/could not run that smooth on dual 6800 based cards. Remember Mark Rein stated and showed the Unreal 3.0 Engine on a dual 6800 rig running at 15-20fps (the first time Unreal 3 Engine was ever shown last year). Even at E3 Mark hinted or let slip out on the Alpha Kits containing newer cards. My point is being …dual 6800s would not have ran those demos very smoothly at those hi-setting. Leading one to believe that the 7800’s GTX where involved.
Old Article Proof:
Quote:
When Sony unveiled the PlayStation 3 at their pre-Electronic Entertainment Expo press conference, the company appeared confident in its hardware, but like rumors surrounding the supposedly real-time technology demonstrations, it appears the hardware isn't completely set in stone yet, either.
At a J.P. Morgan technology conference, NVIDIA's CFO Marv Burkett said the PlayStation 3's RSX (the hardware's GPU) isn't finished, still remains in development, and no silicon of the chip is available yet, reports Bit-Tech. Incomplete hardware comes as no surprise, but it does raise questions about what was powering the demonstrations on-hand at Sony's press conference.
Burkett says the RSX demonstrations weren't actually running on the RSX, but an upcoming NVIDIA high-end desktop product in SLI mode. NVIDIA was not more specific about what type of hardware this entailed.
So what I’m getting at:
For the RSX to be able to handle games like Killzone 3, Unreal Engine 3 based games, and so fourth. The PS3 must have a dual RSX GPU setup or a RSX GPU design containing multiple graphic chips. Because a simple overclock G70 (RSX) can’t handle that amount data without graphic frame-rate issues. 48 pipelines (Dual 7800 GTX) beat’s a simple 120MHz overclock (RSX) in data processing.
Last Word:
I simply don’t believe the RSX GPU is just an overclock G70 based processor. Even if the PS3 doesn’t come with a dual-core RSX anything, the RSX in my opinion must contain at least 40 or more pipelines to handle the data Sony is claiming. Yes the Cell will play a big part in helping out, but that doesn’t rectify possible future game issues. In the-end the RSX GPU must be equal or better than two 7800 GTX cards rather than dual 6800's...IMO!
I never thought about it, but if PS3 will be released 6-12 months later(compared to X360),
it wouldn't be so absurd PS3 could either contain a dual core RSX GPU die design, or have dual RSX GPUs., in term of specs...what do you think ?
london-boy
01-Nov-2005, 09:03
Sorry but the above beats my rumours by a long margin. Funny thing is that the guy actually seems to believe that!! :lol:
Shifty Geezer
01-Nov-2005, 09:33
it wouldn't be so absurd PS3 could either contain a dual core RSX GPU die design, or have dual RSX GPUs.Actually, it would. In terms of cost, power draw, cost, heating, cost, what we know already about RSX having c. 300 million transistors, cost, cost and cost, it's an insane notation that no-one who appreciates these points (like cost) can take seriously. If there's going to be double anything it'll be double Cells, and it won't be, for a number of factors, one of which is cost.
I think before they think about doubling GPU's, they'll be thinking about doubling profits...
Honestly, do they really need more power?
london-boy
01-Nov-2005, 09:40
Actually, it would. In terms of cost, power draw, cost, heating, cost, what we know already about RSX having c. 300 million transistors, cost, cost and cost, it's an insane notation that no-one who appreciates these points (like cost) can take seriously. If there's going to be double anything it'll be double Cells, and it won't be, for a number of factors, one of which is cost.
Second factor being how it would be mostly wasted because 2 Cells would probably push too much data for the RSX to display, and let's not even start on the kind of bandwidth needed to let all that data through without hiccups.
Double "anything" is just a daydream. 1 Cell and 1 RSX will get the job done more than enough. In the end Sony don't need to release something so over the top, they won the last 2 generations with the least powerful hardware. PS3 will be very powerful, but it doesn't need to be SO powerful, Sony would gain nothing from that, in fact they would probably lose a lot of money for nothing.
Shifty Geezer
01-Nov-2005, 10:04
Second factor being how it would be mostly wasted because 2 Cells would probably push too much data for the RSX to display, and let's not even start on the kind of bandwidth needed to let all that data through without hiccups.Jen-Hsun Huang seems to think otherwise :p
Powderkeg
01-Nov-2005, 14:23
I think before they think about doubling GPU's, they'll be thinking about doubling profits...
Honestly, do they really need more power?
They wouldn't increase or add to the specs in any way. If they have outstanding yeilds in production they will stick with the same specs and simply pocket the extra profit.
The name of the game is to make money, and Sony would make the most money by sticking with the original specs and increasing the yeilds beyond what was expected or planned for. To them it's simply more usable chips per platter resulting in a lower cost per chip to produce.
I seriously doubt their yeilds will double, as that would require the belief that they would only be getting a maximum of 50% usable chips in the first place, so any doubling of chips is not going to happen because that would increase production costs. Likewise, increasing chip speed is unlikely because that would certainly lower yeilds which also results in lowered profits with no tangible benifit to Sony.
Black Dragon37
01-Nov-2005, 15:26
I think before they think about doubling GPU's, they'll be thinking about doubling profits...
Honestly, do they really need more power?
So you didn't think that power was most, if not all, of the PS3's promotional marketing?
london-boy
01-Nov-2005, 15:27
So you didn't think that power was most, if not all, of the PS3's promotional marketing?
Sure but enough is enough.
Powderkeg
01-Nov-2005, 15:29
So you didn't think that power was most, if not all, of the PS3's promotional marketing?
Promotional or factual marketing?
I don't seem to recall Sony stating "Our macine might be slightly better than the 360 in some areas, but overall they will be very similar" which is very close to the truth of it.
Sony's promotional marketing, like all corporate marketing is based on BS and not on the truth. That's just how promotional marketing is.
Titanio
01-Nov-2005, 15:38
I don't seem to recall Sony stating "Our macine might be slightly better than the 360 in some areas, but overall they will be very similar" which is very close to the truth of it.
..or to their competitor's line/promotional marketing..
The truth is probably in the middle somewhere. I don't think we can know what the truth is right now, though. We can only go by what's been said, and we've had a range of comments. I guess this is an old argument though.
Backing up for a second, though, while PS3 is undoubtedly benefitting from the "most powerful" moniker to some degree, Sony themselves hasn't made too many explicit comparisons. There was the floating point performance slide at E3 regarding CPUs, but mostly they've let the machine speak for itself in this regard. MS has been far more active about making comparisons (but I guess they need to be, because everyone else is also making them, and generally it hasn't been kind to X360).
Powderkeg
01-Nov-2005, 16:05
Backing up for a second, though, while PS3 is undoubtedly benefitting from the "most powerful" moniker to some degree, Sony themselves hasn't made too many explicit comparisons. There was the floating point performance slide at E3 regarding CPUs, but mostly they've let the machine speak for itself in this regard. MS has been far more active about making comparisons (but I guess they need to be, because everyone else is also making them, and generally it hasn't been kind to X360).
You've got to be kidding me. That is the most extreme case of selective hearing I have seen in quite a while if you believe that.
Which would you like to discuss first? The Xbox 1.5, or the Sony claims that the PS3 would have more than double the 360's processing power? I mean really now, are you suggesting that Ken Kutaragi has made no direct comparisons? Or perhaps you mean that he doesn't speak for Sony.
You've got to be kidding me. That is the most extreme case of selective hearing I have seen in quite a while if you believe that.
Which would you like to discuss first? The Xbox 1.5, or the Sony claims that the PS3 would have more than double the 360's processing power? I mean really now, are you suggesting that Ken Kutaragi has made no direct comparisons? Or perhaps you mean that he doesn't speak for Sony.
Actually if u look at thier e3 release they basicly tried and double everything
xbox 360 113gflop cpu , sony 226 gflop cpu (around those numbers)
xbox 360 3usb ports , sony 6 usb ports
xbox 360 over 1tflop total power , sony over 2 tflop total power .
Its quite obvious they were trying to negate the ms hype
london-boy
01-Nov-2005, 21:29
Actually if u look at thier e3 release they basicly tried and double everything
xbox 360 113gflop cpu , sony 226 gflop cpu (around those numbers)
xbox 360 3usb ports , sony 6 usb ports
xbox 360 over 1tflop total power , sony over 2 tflop total power .
Its quite obvious they were trying to negate the ms hype
That's actually true...
TWO HDMI ports!!
THREE Ethernet ports!
Not one but TWO power buttons!!
TWO PSUs just to be safe!
:wink:
DigitalSoul
01-Nov-2005, 21:34
That's actually true...
TWO HDMI ports!!
THREE Ethernet ports!
Not one but TWO power buttons!!
TWO PSUs just to be safe!
:wink:
How about 2 PS3's to get an SLi thing going :razz:
Powderkeg
01-Nov-2005, 22:28
How about 2 PS3's to get an SLi thing going :razz:
You mean distributed computing? Yes, they claimed the PS3 would do that to at one point too.
Mefisutoferesu
01-Nov-2005, 23:42
!!!!!
Buy 2 PS3s hook 'em up and get your games to run at 120FPS!!!
SONY'S BRILLIANT!!!
By the way, does Sony own doublemint gum?? (Double your freshness! Double your fun!)
a third as of yet unknown chip
more RSX bandwidth in some form
gyro's in the controler
That's actually true...
Yea i remember watching the ps3 confrence with a bunch of my friends (Streaming it from ign) and i said damn it sounds like they have a xbox 360 spec sheet and are doubling everything they can .
They even have two pools of ram !
Yea i remember watching the ps3 confrence with a bunch of my friends (Streaming it from ign) and i said damn it sounds like they have a xbox 360 spec sheet and are doubling everything they can .
They even have two pools of ram !
To some degree I had a feeling that Sony was puting on a magic show. Some things real other things yet to be.
To some degree I had a feeling that Sony was puting on a magic show. Some things real other things yet to be. well features have already been cut out . I'm sure there will be more . I allways felt there were to many ports there for no other reason than just because .
I don't think specs would change. Mabye the cell chp will drop a few hundred mhz to like 3ghz or so . But i don't think that would affect performance much
well features have already been cut out . I'm sure there will be more . I allways felt there were to many ports there for no other reason than just because .
I don't think specs would change. Mabye the cell chp will drop a few hundred mhz to like 3ghz or so . But i don't think that would affect performance much
If some feature changes then most likely the console will aestically change.
At least Cell for the most part (will not change)...possibly we could learn a thing or two from new discovery on cells scales. If anything, I think that any change will possible come from the RSX.
well features have already been cut out . I'm sure there will be more . I allways felt there were to many ports there for no other reason than just because .
I don't think specs would change. Mabye the cell chp will drop a few hundred mhz to like 3ghz or so . But i don't think that would affect performance much
Features cut out? like what ?
I dont remember that
and no , dropping the router functionality isnt a feature thats cut
well features have already been cut out . I'm sure there will be more . I allways felt there were to many ports there for no other reason than just because .
Actually it was just misreported that PS3 would have router capabilities, which it never had to begin with, so it actually didnt lose anything.
rabidrabbit
02-Nov-2005, 09:20
There might be some minor feature cuts in later revisions for sure, as they manufacture the PSThree.
I don't think there'll be major cuts in the production model versus the specs that have been announced... at least I hope there won't be anything as major as the cutting off the harddisk and wireless controllers from core xbox360 and making them an optional accessory, not "included in every console" as promised in first unveilings. ;)
well features have already been cut out . I'm sure there will be more . I allways felt there were to many ports there for no other reason than just because .
I don't think specs would change. Mabye the cell chp will drop a few hundred mhz to like 3ghz or so . But i don't think that would affect performance much
There are features that didn't make it to the spec that was announced of PS3, but no feature is cut yet from that spec.
The RSX GPU will be a dual core design; each chip contains 26 pipelines (total of 52 pipelines) and each core is currently running at 470MHz (550MHz?). The estimated transistor count is well above the 587 million mark. The RSX GPU has been in development for about 8-9 months, and in final silicon form. The rumor also states there?s a third core or setup engine to regulate both graphic cores, and all cores are link around a ?Cell like EIB interface?.
A build in espresso maker is way more likely (and I am not joking).
london-boy
02-Nov-2005, 12:28
A build in espresso maker is way more likely (and I am not joking).
True, they could just use the heat generated by Cell and RSX to boil the water!!
Black Dragon37
03-Nov-2005, 12:30
Promotional or factual marketing?
I don't seem to recall Sony stating "Our macine might be slightly better than the 360 in some areas, but overall they will be very similar" which is very close to the truth of it.
Sony's promotional marketing, like all corporate marketing is based on BS and not on the truth. That's just how promotional marketing is.I was saying that Sony has been promoting the PS3 as more powerful than the Xbox 360, and has been using the trailers and Cell chip promotion as 'proof'. Meanwhile, Microsoft is saying how the power between that and the Xbox 360 is the same. Which sounds better to the casual... ear? ;)
Titanio
03-Nov-2005, 12:43
or the Sony claims that the PS3 would have more than double the 360's processing power?
I already tipped my hat at the E3 floating point comparison. "There was the floating point performance slide at E3 regarding CPUs"
The Xbox 1.5 comment, I thought, was about strategy as whole as much as individually about power.
I mean really now, are you suggesting that Ken Kutaragi has made no direct comparisons?
No. I said they have not as actively or explicitly drawn comparison based on power as much as MS has. But then, as I said, MS has to be more vocal on this point because general perception is not in their favour here.
ihamoitc2005
04-Nov-2005, 06:33
Look of PS2 makes me want to play games but PS3 makes me hungry. I do not like George Foreman grill look of console. But, if that is how it will look, I will buy one anyway since hardware value is very good.
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