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Appearing at the Tokyo International Digital Conference on Thursday to talk about the technological capabilities of the PlayStation 3 and the Cell processor, Sony Computer Entertainment president Ken Kutaragi said he expects the PS3 to be capable of running games at a stunning 120 fps, according to a report in The Nikkei BP.
Never mind that even newer TVs aren't capable of refreshing the screen 120 times in a single second. Kutaragi said that when new technology comes to market, he hopes to have the PS3 ready to take advantage of it. - gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6136786.html)
More worthless hype? Heavenly Sword and others must have had no problem hitting 60 fps, I guess. <sarcasm>
-aldo
Powderkeg
28-Oct-2005, 19:01
All GPU's can do 120 FPS. There is no limitation that would limit you to only 60FPS in every single possible case.
This is like bragging about the fact your car can exceed 60 MPH.
cyberheater
28-Oct-2005, 19:01
Yes but the game won't be pushing much in the way of geometry.
Could for instants PS3 run PGR3 at 120fps. No.
Makes you wonder why Ken even stated it. Or why I even bothered to post it. :grin:
It would have been more newsworthy if Ken was suggesting that developers are having no problem hitting or exceeding 60 fps, but this is almost another slap in the face for PS3 developers who are trying to meet Sony's extremely high expectations on next gen games and still reach and maintain 60fps.
-aldo
He probably ment PS2 games :mrgreen:
Anyways I wonder why he said that too.If its really true that the PS3 can push next gen games at 120fps I wonder why developers are targeting 60fps and in some occasions putting some effort to reach it.Could it be a beta kit problem? :???:
version
28-Oct-2005, 19:18
120 fps fine, but 200 better
On any level it just seems a strange comment for Kutaragi to have made.
I think, just like Kutaragi has added provisions for 1080p, he also sees future standards at 120fps and he wants PS3 to be ready for it.
If anyone wants to have a go at translating the article themselves it's here:
http://arena.nikkeibp.co.jp/expo/news/20051028/114052/
Consequently you talked as one of possibility of future technology what, is frame * rate of animated picture indication. 72 frames / the second - 90 frames / second of 50 fields / second - 60 fields / vis-a-vis second and the personal computer which the current television adopts, we assume with the PS3 with evolution of future image interface standard, as much as 120 frames / second et cetera the っ we would like to try to be able to forward the image of high frame * rate.
The fact that you bring up pertaining to frame * rate, is combination of image input and high-speed frame * rate. For example by the fact that the high-speed camera is connected, the PS3 analyzes the meaning of the image quickly, we assumed the possibility of developing into the new computer * kind of entertainment which inputs the result into the game is very large. Such combination suggested future possibility whether it is not to be used even in the boundary territory of broadcast and communication.
Babelfish implies aspirations to conform to a future 120fps standard but it's just a machine translation.
scooby_dooby
28-Oct-2005, 19:24
That's one of the stupidest things I've read in my life.
What's hilarious, is some people actually defend the comment. :lol::lol:
Talk about meaningless pie-in-the-sky hype.
That's one of the stupidest things I've read in my life.
What's hilarious, is some people actually defend the comment. :lol::lol:
Talk about meaningless pie-in-the-sky hype.
I'm not defending it, I think it's hopelessly unrealistic to expect 120fps in next gen games. I was merely pointing out that Gamespot might have been a bit liberal in their interpretation of the NikkeiBP story.
I think, just like Kutaragi has added provisions for 1080p, he also sees future standards at 120fps and he wants PS3 to be ready for it.
If anyone wants to have a go at translating the article themselves it's here:
http://arena.nikkeibp.co.jp/expo/news/20051028/114052/
Babelfish implies aspirations to conform to a future 120fps standard but it's just a machine translation.
I dont understand a thing from that translation but I ve got the impression that he didnt exactly mean 120fps for next gen games
mckmas8808
28-Oct-2005, 19:42
That's one of the stupidest things I've read in my life.
What's hilarious, is some people actually defend the comment. :lol::lol:
Talk about meaningless pie-in-the-sky hype.
You obviously are not understanding what he is trying to say. But I didn't expect you to either so...
Guden Oden
28-Oct-2005, 19:44
While I think it's unlikely we'll actually see software running at 120fps, there's nothing technical that stops a TV from running at least 720P at that refresh rate provided it is hooked up via DVI/HDMI. It's easily within the interface's video bandwidth. It might even be possible to do via component (which is essentially VGA with encoded synch signals), seeing as 1080i is perfectly doable on that interface.
As for the comment about geometry... NONSENSE. Games simply aren't geometry limited and won't be even next generation. For starters, it'll be prohibitively expensive memory-wise to actually design art assets that'll push the vertex shaders to their limit. I'm 200% certain there wouldn't be ANY problem running a silly car game that has mostly fixed geometry ( = very simple transforms) at even faster framerates if there were no other bottlenecks in the system.
Alpha_Spartan
28-Oct-2005, 20:03
Kutaragi's fat mouth moves at 120 fps (fullofshit per second). Seriously, release more PS3 details or shut the hell up, Kenny.
Inane_Dork
28-Oct-2005, 20:07
Two screens, 1080p, 128 bit color, 120 fps, why not? It's a supercomputer.
120 Fps is nonsense. This is just another attemp at kutagari trying to make PS3 sound like it's twice as powerful as xbox 360.
Nothing but bollocks.
PS3 and 120FPS is a beautiful thing.
Really?
Ya Really!
Alpha_Spartan
28-Oct-2005, 20:17
All of that technology in a $400 console! It's totally possible.
SentinelQW
28-Oct-2005, 20:33
Yeah. Following: XBOX 360 software running at 240 Fps... :roll:
If PS3 can drive two HDTVs @ 720p or above, I can't see why it shouldn't be able to do 120fps on a single screen.
Actually I would rather like to see how 120fps looks.
More than a few times I've noticed stroboscope effects, with fast movement and high contrast at the current 60fps.
Edit: Now that I think about it, maybe, just maybe, RSX can render "real" motionblur (aka temporal AA) internally, somewhat like multisample AA, with less bandwidth and none of the memory hit that the brute force approach has?
Maybe that could be what the 120fps means (because you still need to transform the geometry @ 120fps)?
AlphaWolf
28-Oct-2005, 20:43
If PS3 can drive two HDTVs @ 720p or above, I can't see why it shouldn't be able to do 120fps on a single screen.
Actually I would rather like to see how 120fps looks.
More than a few times I've noticed stroboscope effects, with fast movement and high contrast at the current 60fps.
er heh, outputting the signal to two displays is not the same as rendering 2x as fast.
are we back to this two screens talk? I mean honestly, who has two TV's that takes HDMI side by side?
The dual DVI support is more of a side effect of workign with Nvidia and extending G70 tech into the PS3.jeez, i mean there's going to be even less home console users that would have two TV's side by side then there will PC users with two monitors.
expletive
28-Oct-2005, 20:52
If PS3 can drive two HDTVs @ 720p or above, I can't see why it shouldn't be able to do 120fps on a single screen.
If youre talking about putting the same 720p signal on 2 screens then that has nothing to do with rendering power, thats essentially a signal 'splitter'. If you are talking about 2 displays with discreet content on each one, youre talking about rendering a 2560x720 screen (at least, not sure what else would be overhead for that setup) and Alpha wolf is 100% correct. Seems like a tall order.
er heh, outputting the signal to two displays is not the same as rendering 2x as fast.
?
It's not the same signal it outputs to those two screens you know.
Otherwise it has to render at 2x the speed in both cases, yes.
are we back to this two screens talk? I mean honestly, who has two TV's that takes HDMI side by side?
You almost answer your own question in the second paragraph of your post. Most people have a PC monitor and even if it only accepts DVI or VGA there are adapters for that.
Synergy34
28-Oct-2005, 21:02
are we back to this two screens talk? I mean honestly, who has two TV's that takes HDMI side by side?
The dual DVI support is more of a side effect of workign with Nvidia and extending G70 tech into the PS3.jeez, i mean there's going to be even less home console users that would have two TV's side by side then there will PC users with two monitors.
I don't recall the article but i think it's pretty common knowledge that you do not have to have 2 digital displays side by side with HDMI support. You can run one digi and one s-video or component. One screen could be for video chatting while playing a game usng the new Eye Toy and that screen can be some 12 inch regular old TV.
scooby_dooby
28-Oct-2005, 21:12
And people call the revolutions controller gimmicky? This takes the cake for useless gimmicks IMO.
Mckmass - as I understand it KK is making ridiculous claims about the power of the PS3, again. I'm not sure why you can't criticize, or ever be remotely critical of KK's comments.
Makes you wonder ... why I even bothered to post it. :grin: -aldo
*puts hand up*
I know. Judging by the latter posts on this thread, it's becoming apparent that this was a way to get the tribe around the bondfire, with KK on a spit, and then take turns poking him with sticks to make sure he's dead. Just my observation. Have fun. :roll:
expletive
28-Oct-2005, 21:17
I don't recall the article but i think it's pretty common knowledge that you do not have to have 2 digital displays side by side with HDMI support. You can run one digi and one s-video or component. One screen could be for video chatting while playing a game usng the new Eye Toy and that screen can be some 12 inch regular old TV.
Does it really matter? The amount of people that will have the resources and/or inclination to do this is so miniscule why a developer would waste a dime coding a game for it is beyond me.
FWIW, i personally think that video chat in small windows on the main screen is much more funcitonal than having to look away to a seperate screen.
Synergy34
28-Oct-2005, 21:47
Does it really matter? The amount of people that will have the resources and/or inclination to do this is so miniscule why a developer would waste a dime coding a game for it is beyond me.
FWIW, i personally think that video chat in small windows on the main screen is much more funcitonal than having to look away to a seperate screen.
No it doesn't really matter. The point is people seem to think that you have to have 2 digital displays to take advantage of this feature, and that is totally false. All I'm saying.
The main draw is, of course, that you can do two player with correct aspect ratio and not have your opponent peeking at your screen (perfect for deathmatchlike games).
I can see myself using that feature if not every day, then at least whenever I have a friend over for session of MPFPSing, and with LCD monitors it really isn't all that bothersome to unplug it and take it into the livingroom
> "I'm not sure why you can't criticize, or ever be remotely critical of KK's comments."
It's amazing how upset people get over his comments. Come on, he is the pimp man for Sony. His comments are laughable, and yet people get worked up over it, as if his words would decide the next generation console wars. People don't care what Ken says, as it's all about the GAMES.
OH MY!!!! IT DOES 120FPS!!! I know what console I'm getting!
therealskywolf
28-Oct-2005, 21:57
> "I'm not sure why you can't criticize, or ever be remotely critical of KK's comments."
It's amazing how upset people get over his comments. Come on, he is the pimp man for Sony. His comments are laughable, and yet people get worked up over it, as if they words would decide the next generation console wars. People don't care what Ken says, as it's all about the GAMES.
It's not his comments that bother but the feedback that comes from them. People defending this 120 FPS like it meant something, it's laughable. Really, what's worse is that it works, wich goes to proove how ignorant people really are.
It's not his comments that bother but the feedback that comes from them. People defending this 120 FPS like it meant something, it's laughable. Really, what's worse is that it works, wich goes to proove how ignorant people really are.
People may be moved by such words, but don't think the people being moved by those words are Sony fans to begin with? How many Nintendo fans or Xbox fans are going to drop their console of choice because of what Ken said?
People Kutaragi wasn't even doing anything other than answering a hypothetical question. I agree that there's too much contention here. Kutaragi wasn't trying to 'hype it up' per se, and there's just no way that we're seeing 120 fps on any games this gen - unless it's PS3 (and 360 I'm sure could as well) on an awesome future TV playing next-gen Tetris (with all the effects on!).
If fans go for PS3 over any other console over this comment, it won't be a matter of Sony/Kutaragi-hype, it'll be a matter of Western game media hyperbole coupled with consumer ignorance.
scooby_dooby
28-Oct-2005, 22:07
> "I'm not sure why you can't criticize, or ever be remotely critical of KK's comments."
It's amazing how upset people get over his comments. Come on, he is the pimp man for Sony. His comments are laughable, and yet people get worked up over it, as if his words would decide the next generation console wars. People don't care what Ken says, as it's all about the GAMES.
OH MY!!!! IT DOES 120FPS!!! I know what console I'm getting!
Who's upset? Maybe the 2 LOL icons weren't enough...here's a few more...:lol: :lol: :lol:
Rodéric
28-Oct-2005, 22:13
Do not waste valuable space and bandwidth in such useless comments and quotes.
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