Current mind share on B3D [Archive]

therealskywolf

13-Oct-2005, 15:12

I've owned all consoles this gen, wich was good in lot's of ways, 1st because i had a vaster choice of games to play and 2nd because it helped me in deciding wich consoles to buy and not buy next gen.

My initial idea was to get a Xbox 360 and a Ps3, and not get the Revolution, but right now things are a bit foggy for me. I'm dedicating myself to Maya, having classes and all that, and while i think my Pc (Xp2400, 1GB of Ram, GFX 5950 Ultra) is good for now (Just modelling) i think i should get a new PC early next year. Because of Animation.

So i'm right now writting off buying a PS3 at least till it gets a nice price cut. Revolution, depends on how much it costs, if it ends up costing like less than 200$ then i might completelly scrap Ps3 and buy Revolution as a 2nd system.

Xbox 360, i will have it at launch.

Nite_Hawk

13-Oct-2005, 15:13

Right now I'm probably not going to get any of them until they come down in price or some very very killer title comes out for one of them. If I got to pick one for free it would probably be the PS3 simply because I want to try my hand at Cell programming and I'm hoping they will release a linux kit like they did for the PS2.

Nite_Hawk

Mefisutoferesu

13-Oct-2005, 15:18

Launch wise or throughout the next gen cycle?

Carl B

13-Oct-2005, 15:21

Launch wise or throughout the next gen cycle?

Throughout I think.

J_Saint

13-Oct-2005, 15:26

Definitely getting a 360. I've already paid for three games and will be standing in line for the hardware on launch day. PS3 will likely be mine on launch day as well. I'm taking a wait and see on the Revolution. PS3 takes precedence over Revo for me so buying Revo will depend on when both Sony and Nintendo launch, price and how many games interest me on either platform.

drpepper

13-Oct-2005, 15:33

I'll get the PS3, not at launch, but I will get it. So far, I'm not interested in the 360 or Revolution (purely because the lack of info).

I was contemplating on getting a 360, but that only lasted 5 seconds. I want a new iBook first and foremost.

For now and well into 2006, the PS2 will still be my main platform. There's just too many games coming out for it that makes my interest in the "next-gen" consoles fairly low.

Mefisutoferesu

13-Oct-2005, 15:53

Well, I'll give my logic right now, for why not sake.

PS3 is garanteed buy... there are too many series I expect to be on the console that I simply have to have.

Rev is more than likely a buy... Nintendo's IPs are freakishly strong. I will buy the system just for Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. I'm a sucker for them. The only way it wouldn't work is if the new control scheme turns out to suck. I'll be testing before I buy.

XBox 360 is an I dunno... oddly enough this is the console I know the least about in terms of game line-up. MS keeps saying they have a ton of games lined up, but I have no clue as to which and the majority that I've heard of leave me wanting. The games that I do know and have my interest are Kameo, NNN, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and maybe eM, buteven there I'm sketchy. Sony and Nintendo have a lot of "free ticket" games that I want MS has none. I'm in wait and see mode, so for that I'll just say PS3 and Rev, but that doesn't count MS out.

EDIT:: Sorry, I meant game line-up. Hope that makes things clear.

dukmahsik

13-Oct-2005, 15:57

Well, I'll give my logic right now, for why not sake.

PS3 is garanteed buy... there are too many series I expect to be on the console that I simply have to have.

Rev is more than likely a buy... Nintendo's IPs are freakishly strong. I will buy the system just for Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. I'm a sucker for them. The only way it wouldn't work is if the new control scheme turns out to suck. I'll be testing before I buy.

XBox 360 is an I dunno... oddly enough this is the console I know the least about in terms of games. MS keeps saying they have a ton of games lined up, but I have no clue as to which and the majority that I've heard of leave me wanting. The games that I do know and have my interest are Kameo, NNN, Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and maybe eM, buteven there I'm sketchy. Sony and Nintendo have a lot of "free ticket" games that I want MS has none. I'm in wait and see mode, so for that I'll just say PS3 and Rev, but that doesn't count MS out.

that's weird because there is more info about 360 games than ps3/rev games combined.

BlueTsunami

13-Oct-2005, 15:59

All three for me also, I'll be getting all three of them at launch to (:shock:). I'm compulsive like that. Although, if the PS3 and the Rev come out around the same time, i'll get the PS3 first then get the Rev a month or two down the line.

london-boy

13-Oct-2005, 16:01

I'll be trying so hard to wait for price drops that i will convicne myself that there are huge shortages and i won't be able to put my hands on any new console for the next 3 years. Or whenever they'll be half the price.

Druga Runda

13-Oct-2005, 16:01

my feeling is 95% interest in Revolution
5% in PS3
0 in Xbox2

drpepper

13-Oct-2005, 16:01

that's weird because there is more info about 360 games than ps3/rev games combined.

I have a feeling he's refering to the established franchises. Though I'm not so sure myself.

scooby_dooby

13-Oct-2005, 16:04

360 at launch cause I can't wait, got a big TV to be put through it's paces.

PS3 after a few price drops, 2007-2008ish when the games really start flowing and it's nice and affordable.

Shifty Geezer

13-Oct-2005, 16:07

360 at launch cause I can't wait, got a big TV to be put through it's paces.That's probably the best reason for 360. Anyone with an big HD set will surely want to see HD gaming!

dukmahsik

13-Oct-2005, 16:10

That's probably the best reason for 360. Anyone with an big HD set will surely want to see HD gaming!

yeah i've decided to take the plunge on a 42in plasma/lcd set! maybe 50in :D

Druga Runda

13-Oct-2005, 16:11

That's probably the best reason for 360. Anyone with an big HD set will surely want to see HD gaming!

plug your PC in and see it now for free :-)

Acert93

13-Oct-2005, 16:19

Wait and see. Nintendo has been my bread and butter next to my PC since the mid-80s. Nintendo has me looking elsewhere. I have not had a MS console yet but did own a PS1 after some price drops (the N64 did not have GT!). With friends I always have access to basically all the machines. Outside the 3DO, Neo Geo, Lynx, Jaguar, and Turbo Graphics I have played on all the consoles a little bit.

Right now it is coming down to games (PC/FPS/Sports preference). My most sought features for these games are great online support (and absolute must since I HATE playing by myself), HD support for VGA monitors (720p; GCN already does 480p on monitors and I have no monitor that can handle 1080i) and KB/MS if it can be balanced and supported well (both by devs and gamers). The last one seems like a pain because of game balance and fragmenting users so I am cold on that.

Obviously since the 360 is the first one out the gate and has almost 2 dozens games coming out shortly it has the most interest (nothing else to be interested in with Zelda delayed and another 5 years for Half-Life 3!). My friend across the US will get one and it has really good online support. But right now it is, "Lets see the price drop and wait for a killer game or two". PGR3 has me excited as it is the one game that interests me that I cannot find something comparable on the PC or GCN. MS has some nice titles that are good but games like Oblivion (RPG) just don't interest me regardless of how good they are. Working + School means I need something I can get into, play for 15 minutes--online preferrably--and then get back to studying...or posting ;)

So right now, for *purchasing* purposes none interest me. I am going to wait until 2006 and see where things are at with the games and the support and see if any game rolls me over. If not, I would be content to wait until 2007 and get a price break :D $400 + $40 (VGA cables) + $60game is a lot for a new console for me. $600 for 2 or 3 great games is tooooo much for me.

I will be more happy getting those same great games at $20-$30 and having a broader selection AND getting $100 off or more on the console. Always nice to see what the competition has to offer. Who knows, maybe Nintendo has a ton of back door support being hidden and will have some killer hardware. I like the new controller concept, I hope it works! If it is accurate, then I can see it being FAR easier to use!

StefanS

13-Oct-2005, 16:42

Revolution is definite buy for me, as I am a sucker for Nintendo games and the new controller intrigues me. And I'll buy a PS3 as well, since MGS:Twin Snakes (GCN) got me hooked on MGS.
I am pretty much sure that I won't buy a X360.

Alpha_Spartan

13-Oct-2005, 16:45

As someone who has never owned a PSX or PS2 but opted out for the Saturn, Dreamcast and Xbox instead, I see no compelling reason to purchase a PS3. I doubt we will ever see a game on the PS3 that can't be done on the Xbox 360 and vice versa. I'm still undecided on the Revolution. I could care less about backwards compatibility since I don't buy systems to play last generation's games. On November 22, I'm done with this generation. I won't touch another Xbox game. 99% of the old NES games you play won't be as fun as when you played them as a child. That's just the way it is. It's like when a group of old college buddies get together and try to go back to the places they visited when they were in college, it's never the same. People change. Expectations change. Tastes change.

Nintendo will have to give me the equivalent of Mario 64 for the N64 when it first came out. I just had to have that game. Each generation I play fewer and fewer Japanese games. As I get older, my tastes change. I've gone from wanting a sequel to Nights and Burning Rangers to just wanting a proper sequel to the Ghost Recon series. Roughly 90% of my tastes are Western. About 50% percent of those games are military themed or sports games. Tastes change. That's why I'm an Xbox gamer. It's just a western console with western games.

I look at games like MGS4 and I can't get excited because I just know that there will be something in the game that breaks that fourth wall and reminds me that it's a Japanese game. There's always this anime-like quirkiness to their "serious" games that I can't get excited about. I remember playing Steel Batallion and being totally turned off by the corny dialog and cheesy music. At 27 years old, I find myself more into Western RPG's (true roleplaying games), western adventure games, sports games, racers and shooters.

At this point in my life, I am to Japanese games as a Japanese gamer is to western games.

dukmahsik

13-Oct-2005, 16:59

http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/2022/726_0012.jpg

someone mentioned pgr3?

liolio

13-Oct-2005, 17:02

i vote 'i've no preferences.
i don't want to buy any console.
but if i had to chose between X360 and Ps3, the online kind of thing would be my first matter.
For the rev i'll buy if the new controler really refresh the way i'm so used to play...

Shifty Geezer

13-Oct-2005, 17:03

someone mentioned pgr3?Totally off topic, and breaks forum rules...
You can post pictures as long as they're not of a large size (Anything over 800x600 is considered as too large)

dukmahsik

13-Oct-2005, 17:08

Totally off topic, and breaks forum rules...

okay i appologize

slider

13-Oct-2005, 17:11

PS3 for me, probably because there are a few unknowns about it at the moment: RSX especially. Basically the tech excites me. MS, no matter how well they do it, can't do anything that'll surprise me. Probably.
And I do think the PS3 may last it's life time slighty better than the 360. Not sure what I'm basing that on though.
If I had the cash I'd have them in this order:
PS3
360
Rev

Sindre

13-Oct-2005, 17:14

PlayStation 3 for me and maybe a Revolution for ehm, my girlfriend (and me) after a while. I showed her the video of the new controller and she fell in love with it right away. She also thought the design of the box looked the best. . .;-)

Phil

13-Oct-2005, 17:18

I've always been more or less exclusive to one console always - first the SNES, then the PlayStation and now the PS2 - not because I can't afford more, but simply because I chose to devote it to one alone (and usually, the one I decided supplied me with more than enough, currently around 40 games on PS2).

Thanks to established franchises and games I've come to enjoy over the past 10 years, the PS3 is naturally an easy bet for me. Not only does it have the franchises I want to play in the future, it also has the support from my favorite developers - mainly being Konami, SquareEnix, Namco and 1st/2nd party Sony developers.

I was pretty close in buying a GameCube this generation though, simply because I see it as a nice addition to my established PS2 collection. Since Revolution seems to be backwards-compatible, I decided to hold back and take the "wait and see" approach.

Xbox360 doesn't interest me at the moment - simply because Sony and Microsoft seem to be going after the same target audience, the Xbox being slightly more in favour of PC games, while Sony's more on Japanese games. This makes it clear in my book that I'm all in favour of the Sony console - while another reason being that it's undeniably the one that's likely to receive much more support and therefore will be targeted as the lead platform in many cases.

Regardless how many games interest me on the Xbox360, I doubt for the above reasons that I would get one. The only thing that could change my mind would be high caliber game by either Konami or SquareEnix, like i.e. MGS4 or a new Final Fantasy game (the real deal and not a side quest). Don't see that happening though, so I guess Xbox won't be in the run for my money.

Technological advantage, to me isn't that big of an issue, though I must say that another thing in favour for the PS3 is the CELL processor and its potential of developers exploring new ways to enhance games unique to that chip. I'd love to see physics play a bigger role in next generation games, including weather effects and what not - I see CELL being an ideal platform for those tasks which is another reason why it's my choice of console.

DeanoC

13-Oct-2005, 17:44

I'll get all 3, but if they were all released on the same day for the same money, my picking up the box (just in case somebody else nabbed one first) would be
Rev,
PS3,
X360

Simple based on the games this gen, GC won hands down for me, then PS2 with Xbox third.

scooby_dooby

13-Oct-2005, 17:59

another reason being that it's undeniably the one that's likely to receive much more support and therefore will be targeted as the lead platform in many cases.

Undeniably? I really don't know how you can make such an assertion. X360 will have the larger installed base for at least 2 full years, probably much longer than that(analysts are pegging 2008 for PS3 to catch up), which is almost an entire 3 years as the market leader.

In addition, X360 seems to be the easier/cheaper platform for Developers.

To me, none of that adds up to undeniably more support, and I think it would be teh exact opposite. Games will be developed with the X360 as base, and ported to PS3 because X360 will have the larger installed base and will be easier to extract power from.

It's similar to the situation the PS2 was in, but even more favourable. The PS2 was actually harder to extract power from than the XBOX but since it had a 2 year lead where Dev's were forced to do it anyways that wasn't a big factor, this time around the console launching first is also easier(cheaper) to develop for.

If your a dev making games in the next 3 years, what gives you the most bang for your buck? It's simple, multi-platform release with X360 as a base, ported to PS3. If you had to choose one to go with, X360 would be the safest bet being the market leader.

Carl B

13-Oct-2005, 18:02

Guys, I don't think this should be turned into a debate thread - just everyone posting their opinion (hoever long and whether you agree or not) and that's it. The debates are waged daily in every other thread on this forum, so I think this one here can offer a nice respite from all that. Just a straight up poll+opinion.

PeterT

13-Oct-2005, 18:03

PS3. The games I play most on my PS2 are Nippon Ichi SRPGs, Shin Megami Tensei games, some other RPG series (Suikoden, Xenosaga, ...) and some of the gems from other genres like Ico, Katamari, MGS and ZoE2. I am what most would call a "hardcore" gamer (~5 hours / day), yet I rarely if ever play FPS or sports games. Western RPGs, MMORPGs and strategy games, my other favourites, I play on my good old beige box ;)

So in short, there's little reason for me to get a 360 unless they totally change the direction of their game library, which I just don't see happening. I may very well pick up the Rev depending on price just because I want to try the controller, and perhaps for the party gaming experience :eek:

(Oh, and I agree with xbd)

seismologist

13-Oct-2005, 18:04

I agree, the PS3 tech excites me as well. I think there's alot of potential for something new that hasn't been possible on traditional PC style architectures.

The worst that could happen is Cell goes under-utilized by the majority of ports and the 360 version ends up running better. Which would be sort of like this gen.

Of course there are developers like Polyphony and Square who will demonstrate what's possible and those games will really shine. That's what I'm looking forward to.

blakjedi

13-Oct-2005, 18:14

X360 then PS3. The jury is out on Rev. Much like Alpha Spartan I have become much more "western" in my approach to game developer support.

Due to the fact that most of my consoles of choice in the past (xbox, dreamcast, saturn, genesis) did not receive the support of the "first tier" of development support from the Konami's and the Square Enixes, I do not miss their titles from my library even though on average I would say that they make very good games.

As long as there is a Bizarre creations for every Polyphony and a Treasure for every Konami, I'm comfortable with my prioritization. Since I will own both systems I dont even really have to make a choice it will just come down to individual game quality and affordability.

Mythos

13-Oct-2005, 18:25

PS3 for now. I was thinking about the X360 but MS hasn't sold me on it and IF PS3 doesn't have a cool package (launch day), I may wait intil things are more settled and then decide which to get.

rendezvous

13-Oct-2005, 18:27

Right now I'm leaning towards the PS3.

There is still plenty of life left in my PS2 so I don't see a real need to buy a new console for at least a year (I'm a late adopter). With a bit of luck all three consoles have been released by then and I can reevaluate which console to finally get.

I don't see myself buying a second console the upcoming generation.

Sovere

13-Oct-2005, 18:46

At the moment I intend on buying the PS3 at launch and having a look and see approach with the Revolution. Several franchises I fell in love with on the PS2 will remain on the PS3 so that's where the bulk of my decision comes from. The controller of the Revolution has captured my attention if games makes great use of the controller and the price is right I will buy the rev at launch. I don't see myself buying the 360 as the games announced seem to have the same thing in common and don’t really interest me in the slightest. I doubt the games are aimed at me anyway. I may buy the 360 after NG is released but I don't myself buying the 360 at this point and time.

two

13-Oct-2005, 19:07

PS3 for sure
Maybe Rev.
XBOX360? No, thanks.

avaya

13-Oct-2005, 19:11

PS3 for sure. It has all the franchises and gaming experiences that suit my tastes.

Then if I can spare anything extra I'm going for a bit of a Revolution.

Shifty Geezer

13-Oct-2005, 19:31

scooby_dooby

13-Oct-2005, 19:43

The BR is a factor for me, but to be honest I would prefer a standalone if it's affordable.

So whether the BR gets me to buy a PS3 quicker will depend on a few factors:
- Price of PS3 in 2006/2007
- Price of standalone players in 2006/2007
- The BR vs HD-DVD outcome
- Availability of HD Movies in 2006/2007

Basically if I can get a standalone in holiday 2006 for ~$200-$250 I will probably just go with that, if not, and PS3 is not over $400, I might consider getting the PS3 at launch, assuming BR has been established as the winner of the format war.

Carl B

13-Oct-2005, 19:47

No-one's mentioned PS3's BluRay capability. Is anyone who's planning on getting PS3 buying it in part because of this, or is movie playback a non-entity? For me it's unlikely I'll get an HDTV for a few years so can't say that the BluRay is specifically of use. Though no doubt it'll get used at some point or other it's not a buying factor.

Shifty this question of yours seeks to undermine the beautiful one-post-per-person paradigm of this thread! :razz:

For myself it does play a factor (I already have an HD-TV, etc...), but at the same time I don't expect to be buying much in terms of content. On the DVD side I'm more of an Internet rental service guy, so my primary useage of the player for HD content will probably begin once rental services begin to stock blu-ray movies (which hopefully will be nearly immediately).

rabidrabbit

13-Oct-2005, 19:50

another reason being that it's undeniably the one that's likely to receive much more support and therefore will be targeted as the lead platform in many cases.
Undeniably? I really don't know how you can make such an assertion. X360 will have the larger installed base for at least 2 full years, probably much longer than that(analysts are pegging 2008 for PS3 to catch up), which is almost an entire 3 years as the market leader.

In addition, X360 seems to be the easier/cheaper platform for Developers.

To me, none of that adds up to undeniably more support, and I think it would be teh exact opposite. Games will be developed with the X360 as base, and ported to PS3 because X360 will have the larger installed base and will be easier to extract power from.

Are you sure that will be the case, you seem to be pretty sure about xbox360 being the market leader for the next (at least) 2 years too, while at the same time mocking Phil thinking the same of PS3. Xbox30 is not released two years before the competition, the scenario Phil is predicting is entirely as possible as your scenario.

Edit: Sorry if I fuel the off topic, but it really really annoys me when people use the will as if they have a 100% errorfree crystal ball in their possession, thus I had to vent a bit even though it is none of my business :)

Shifty Geezer

13-Oct-2005, 19:52

Are you sure that will be the case, you seem to be pretty sure about xbox360 being the market leader for the next (at least) 2 years too, while at the same time mocking Phil thinking the same of PS3. Xbox30 is not released two years before the competition, the scenario Phil is predicting is entirely as possible as your scenario.Please move this discussion to another thread. As has been stated this is a place for summary of opinions, and not a discussion of whether you think someone's opinions fair or not. Which is perfectly okay; just not here.

wco81

13-Oct-2005, 19:53

That's probably the best reason for 360. Anyone with an big HD set will surely want to see HD gaming!

I have an HDTV too.

But that is why I would want HD movie playback as well.

If I saw an X360 available in front of me, I might go for an impulse buy, but I have no interest in shooters like PDZ, D3, HL2 or Halo3. Too Human and Crackdown do sound interesting though.

rabidrabbit

13-Oct-2005, 19:53

ok, sorry sorry sorry I just had to sorry

Powderkeg

13-Oct-2005, 19:55

Interesting results so far.

40 people will buy the Revolutiion
58 people will buy the Xbox 360
62 people will buy the PS3

3 people are undecided.

drpepper

13-Oct-2005, 19:57

No-one's mentioned PS3's BluRay capability. Is anyone who's planning on getting PS3 buying it in part because of this, or is movie playback a non-entity? For me it's unlikely I'll get an HDTV for a few years so can't say that the BluRay is specifically of use. Though no doubt it'll get used at some point or other it's not a buying factor.

For me, it (Blu-Ray) is a non issue since I don't have an HDTV. But it's just a nifty bonus to have, so once I get a job after getting my Master's, I can hopefully get an HDTV, voila, games and movies are HD capable. Though a new car that doesn't burn oil would be nice too. :)

It seems that most of the people here that choose a PS3, myself included, choose it for the familiar franchises we've grown to love.

My favourites are:
-Silent Hill
-Metal Gear
-Devil May Cry
-Gran Turismo
-God of War (I think sequals are coming)
-Final Fantasy
-Resident Evil (the return of it anyways...)

Among others I can't list now...

But then there's more than just franchises. Such as the development teams, the Ico/Shadow of the Colossus team for example. If they stick to the Sony platform i would just love to see what they can accomplish.

Powderkeg

13-Oct-2005, 20:04

It seems that most of the people here that choose a PS3, myself included, choose it for the familiar franchises we've grown to love.

My favourites are:
-Metal Gear

Not to go off on a tangent, but a funny little historical note here.

Metal Gear first debuted on a system called the MSX. The MSX was a cooperative project between ASCII and Microsoft in 1983.

dukmahsik

13-Oct-2005, 20:08

Interesting results so far.

40 people will buy the Revolutiion
58 people will buy the Xbox 360
62 people will buy the PS3

3 people are undecided.

that's prob near what the market share will be!

PS3 ~ 39%
360 ~ 36%
Rev ~ 25%

_leech_

13-Oct-2005, 20:24

Playstation 3's going to have MGS4, the X360 won't.

It's all about the games.

Inane_Dork

13-Oct-2005, 20:24

PS3 is doubtful for me. I more or less only have time and money for one console, and MS seems to pick up more of the games I like. Or maybe I like them because MS has picked them up. I don't really know which way the causation works, but it did.

I do not trust Nintendo to provide an adequate amount of suitable games if I only buy it. Their tactic of keeping near everything behind curtains is a GREAT AND POWERFUL OZ move until proven otherwise.

I'll probably pick up a 360 when I know the machine is built well and it is available. So early 2006 is about the earliest time I expect. I still have lots of Xbox games to get through since I wait till they're around $20. So I'm in no huge rush.

Edge

13-Oct-2005, 20:26

> "that's prob near what the market share will be!"

No it won't, as this forum does not represent the Japanese market, were Microsoft's share will be less than 1 percent.

Carl B

13-Oct-2005, 20:30

Hey hey, no need to get contentious in this thread. Let people say whatever - it's all admitedly opinion-based here anyway, so no harm no foul.

Pugger

13-Oct-2005, 20:32

I have the 360 on pre-order and plan to get both the PS3 and Rev on there first price drop. I have since back in the days of BBC vs C64 tended to buy all the gaming platforms out, not because I ever classed myself as an uber gamer or any other such nonsense but because it taught me to be really selective with the games I bought. This gen I have bought 7 games for the PS2 eight for Xbox and four for the GC. I have been lucky enough to taste the atmosphere of ICO, the pure adreanline of Halo and Halo 2 and the near perfection of RE4. I also reckon owning all the consoles actually save you money in the longterm, I remember well buying lots of expensive dross on the PS1 (the only time I bought one console, I was buying a house that year) that in the end would have easily covered the cost of a Saturn and an N64. In fact a week or two after purchasing the DC I bought a Saturn for £30 along with a copy of Panzer Dragoon Saga, which cost more than the console, I didn't touch the DC for the 2 weeks Saga took me to complete. I can fully understand the the problems the cost of buying all 3 consoles but I would recommend it to all gamers, you will be suprised on how much of a difference it makes.

ChryZ

13-Oct-2005, 20:32

PS3 and Rev. So far 360 failed to spark my interest.

drpepper

13-Oct-2005, 20:32

that's prob near what the market share will be!

PS3 ~ 39%
360 ~ 36%
Rev ~ 25%

I doubt it. The sampling done on this web forum would not be representative of the game market. A lot of people here are experienced enough to know what each console offers in terms of games and technology. The same can not be said with the mass market so I believe the statistics would be very different. In other words, the decision making by most posters here would be different for the average joe.

I once remembered a friend of mine showing off Gran Turismo 3 to me saying that the AI was "advanced" due to the "Emotion Engine." Both claims of course being false. But I still had fun with the game.

And remember Dreamcast's motto: "It's thinking." Yah that's right, another friend of mine (a different one, and no, not all my friends are that dumb, just not in tune technology wise) believed that the console had some "artificial intelligence" embedded in it making the games more responsive and such. Funny thing was, he made that statement in front of class. Every laughed and mocked him for being a marketing sucker. :D

dukmahsik

13-Oct-2005, 20:39

I doubt it. The sampling done on this web forum would not be representative of the game market. A lot of people here are experienced enough to know what each console offers in terms of games and technology. The same can not be said with the mass market so I believe the statistics would be very different. In other words, the decision making by most posters here would be different for the average joe.

I once remembered a friend of mine showing off Gran Turismo 3 to me saying that the AI was "advanced" due to the "Emotion Engine." Both claims of course being false. But I still had fun with the game.

And remember Dreamcast's motto: "It's thinking." Yah that's right, another friend of mine (a different one, and no, not all my friends are that dumb, just not in tune technology wise) believed that the console had some "artificial intelligence" embedded in it making the games more responsive and such. Funny thing was, he made that statement in front of class. Every laughed and mocked him for being a marketing sucker. :D

I just said that what the market share will be and what people have polled in this forum similar to what I had in mind that's all. A scant 160+ votes will never reflect a real market.

drpepper

13-Oct-2005, 20:40

drpepper

13-Oct-2005, 20:43

Wow, the single purchase 360 and PS3 are neck and neck. It's like watching a very slow horse race...

bankrupt

13-Oct-2005, 21:06

I voted x360. I had been a PC gamer until the xbox. I saw the xbox as having PC-ish games without the hassles of the PC. Now I just use my PC to play games like AoE and Civ.

I'm gunna need an upgrade soon to play all the next set of PC games and I'm not ready to fork out cash for a big upgrade yet, so I'll go with the x360 to play CoD2 and Oblivion.

Alpha_Spartan

13-Oct-2005, 21:21

God, if all three players had 33% marketshare, I bet it would usher in the golden age of gaming a la the early to mid 90's.

seismologist

13-Oct-2005, 21:36

PS3 is doing pretty good in this poll considering that Sony's marketting blitz hasn't even begun yet.

I wonder if the numbers will change once we start seeing what Japan has in store for the PS3. :D

rabidrabbit

13-Oct-2005, 21:41

B3D is more immune to marketing than the mainstream, it's the tech pre hype and that's driving the PS3 here :)

mckmas8808

13-Oct-2005, 21:56

B3D is more immune to marketing than the mainstream, it's the tech pre hype and that's driving the PS3 here :)

xenos is pretty high tech if you ask me.

hey69

13-Oct-2005, 22:22

that does remind of someone saying that the Dreamcast was
"like a milkyway between two meals " :p

oh well, probably buying 360 and keeping or ditching it after ps3 (depends what games etc...)

TrungGap

13-Oct-2005, 22:24

PS3 is doing pretty good in this poll considering that Sony's marketting blitz hasn't even begun yet.

I wonder if the numbers will change once we start seeing what Japan has in store for the PS3. :D

No doubt about it. Sony hasn't even started their marketing machine, yet and MS is already loosing. Even if Sony can't deliver KZ, it would still win (there's no reason to believe PS3 can't match x360), because of game franchise loyality. The only way Sony could lose is by pricing the PS3 $100+ above x360 (highly unlikely). No matter how much PS3 cost Sony to make, they will not price themselves out of the market. Pure and simple. Nothing is going to change for this x360/PS3 gen. Sony will continue to be #1, follow by either x360 and Rev.

Again, it's MS and N will battle it out for second. But who knows, maybe the N controller will make the Rev a stand out console. No body would ever thought DS would survive PSP on-slaught of technical power, but DS is not only doing well, but very well.

Me? I'm getting x360....I'm a huge Halo and Jade Empire fan. Funny, that I didn't quite like Halo 2 as much as Halo 1. It's nothing more than the fact you're switching between human and the alien character. For this reason, I'm not sure I would enjoy Kameo, either...

AlphaWolf

13-Oct-2005, 22:29

Shifty Geezer

13-Oct-2005, 22:31

dukmahsik

13-Oct-2005, 22:33

impressed 360 is doing well

TrungGap

13-Oct-2005, 22:49

A cynic could say that the lack of ps3 marketting is helping their case, once they actually see the product they may be less enthused, this could go for rev also. I really don't think b3d is all that effected by marketing in any event, most readers here know what to expect from ps3 and xbox360.

Well, regardless the average (non-hardcore gamer) person would not realize PS3 could or could not deliver KZ. So when the PS3 is released it will undoubtly match everything that x360 can do, so the rest is easy for Sony's marketing machine.

One of my biggest complaint about Sony is that most of Sony's consumer grade devices are just junk. It's the Sony's high-end devices that's where the quality is at, but just because they carry the Sony label, it carries a premium price and people assume it has all the quality of the Sony's high-end devices.

Anyone remember when fierce battle between x86 vs PowerPC in the 90's? PowerPC was demostrated to be very powerful...it ran circles around x86. However, when used in PowerMac, it was a different story. Where am I going with this? Eh, I don't know. ;)

scooby_dooby

13-Oct-2005, 23:01

slider

13-Oct-2005, 23:05

Of course these stats aren't in any way indicative of what the masses will buy into, but it is interesting none-the-less to see Revolution is here definitely the 'second console' as more people are wanting Revolution with another console, than wanting Revolution as their only console.

I've seen this sort of talk a lot lately (even on B3D) - The Revolution as a different gaming experience, ipso facto 2nd choice is Nintendo's game plan.

flick556

13-Oct-2005, 23:24

PS3 for me I like the idea of beeing able to install linux and try to develop for it without buying a developer package. The game I'm most looking forward to on xbox is oblevion and I will be able to get that on pc. It was the same last gen between a playstation and my pc i didn't really need xbox.

mckmas8808

14-Oct-2005, 00:54

Personally I think Sony is setting it's fans up for a let-down which may come back to bite it in the butt.

Basicaly because of E3 and Kutaragi's comments the general perception is the PS3 will be truly next-gen while the X360 is sorta XBOX 1.5.

When PS3 debuts in NA, and is battling against X360's 2nd generation of games, I think people will be really dissapointed when they realize PS3 is not going look any better on screen than the 360's best games. Especially after holding out for nearly a year.

I know I would more than a little choked.

You should be prepared to be shocked. How many people actually read Kutaragi actually saying that? Not many. And how will PS3 launch games be competing against 2nd generation X360 games? Do you expect the PS3 to be released in 2007? And when did Sony tell you when the PS3 will be released? I want links.

14-Oct-2005, 00:59

PS3 for me. Although I'm gonna have to wait and see which games on the Xbox 360 that'll end up on the PC before I decide on if it's worth buying, since the few games that really interested me on the Xbox became available on the PC after a while. But both Too Human and Mass Effect look and sound mighty tempting, and Kameo has gone from crap to pretty nice, so I might end up getting a Xbox 360 too.

Qroach

14-Oct-2005, 01:01

DigitalSoul

14-Oct-2005, 01:21

XBox360 Sooner or later...
PS3 eventually
Rev....Undecided(wait and see)

PS2 was my primary console this gen and Xbox my secondary. Despite starting out gaming on a Nintendo platform, I've never owned a Nintendo console for myself. I've considered getting a GC many times, but never did. Most of the games this gen I've been interested have been on PS2&Xbox.

Same scenario will probably repeat for next-gen albeit Xbox360 being my primary gaming system this time around. I'm excited for both sytems though......

14-Oct-2005, 01:43

No preference for me at this point. Too soon to tell. If I had to pick one now, I'd go with the X360 since it's more tangible (launching pretty soon).

jvd

14-Oct-2005, 01:48

You should be prepared to be shocked. How many people actually read Kutaragi actually saying that? Not many. And how will PS3 launch games be competing against 2nd generation X360 games? Do you expect the PS3 to be released in 2007? And when did Sony tell you when the PS3 will be released? I want links.

Well looking at sonys last few launches japan is a spring release and during fall / winter of that same year the system launches in usa and europe .

So yea in 2 of the 3 major markets ms will most likely be on second gen titles and have over a year in dev time on finished dev kits

mckmas8808

14-Oct-2005, 02:31

this thread is/was civil. keep it that way.

I guess you ignored this post by scooby. I know you missed it though. You know being that it was against PS3 at all.:roll:

Personally I think Sony is setting it's fans up for a let-down which may come back to bite it in the butt.
Basicaly because of E3 and Kutaragi's comments the general perception is the PS3 will be truly next-gen while the X360 is sorta XBOX 1.5.
When PS3 debuts in NA, and is battling against X360's 2nd generation of games, I think people will be really dissapointed when they realize PS3 is not going look any better on screen than the 360's best games. Especially after holding out for nearly a year.I know I would more than a little choked.

So yea in 2 of the 3 major markets ms will most likely be on second gen titles and have over a year in dev time on finished dev kits

Yet we still don't know the release dates. Lets wait for those first, then lets make the statements.

Qroach

14-Oct-2005, 02:45

I guess you ignored this post by scooby. I know you missed it though. You know being that it was against PS3 at all

you just can't let anyone have an opinion that doesn't match your own. There's lots of people in this thread that expressed thier opinion on which console they will purchase without getting someone like yourself jumping on them. you shoud learn to follow suit.

mckmas8808

14-Oct-2005, 03:12

you just can't let anyone have an opinion that doesn't match your own. There's lots of people in this thread that expressed thier opinion on which console they will purchase without getting someone like yourself jumping on them. you shoud learn to follow suit.

And my opinion is that he and people that feel like him will be shocked. If he thinks Sony fans will be let down, then he will be let down when he sees how excited people will be once they see more PS3.

Qroach

14-Oct-2005, 03:22

That's great. now, back to the people that want to participate in this thread correctly.

It seems to be a very close race. I'm kinda curious how many people on this forum haven't placed a vote.

scooby_dooby

14-Oct-2005, 04:06

Common sense sees Sony launching in japan in 'spring' and then later on the the US and europe. They've never done a worldwide launch before, and the BR drives will be much easier and cheaper to mass produce later in the year. Do you need a crystal ball to see how this is going to play out?

That's why I said 1st gen PS3 games will be going against 2nd gen X360 games, which is true.

You don't have to react like I insulted your family or something, relax...if you want to carry on just PM me.

Now..back to regularly scheduled programming....

Azrael

14-Oct-2005, 04:28

Gonna get the Xbox 360 this year but have no commitment to any console beyond that. If the PS3 is reasonably priced I might pick up one when it gets a new Wipeout or other must-have game for me that wont be on the 360.

EricVonZipper

14-Oct-2005, 04:35

XBOX 360
PS3
Revolution

All three.

I'll use the 360 for gaming and the PS3 as a media center, Revolution in my spare bedroom for guests and nostalgic trips. ;)

Dr Evil

14-Oct-2005, 04:39

X360 at launch(my 61" beautiful hdtv is screaming for action as is it's owner btw...) I'll probably buy PS3 at launch too, or very close to it anyways. I'm going to have to see Rev in action before I make my decision about it.

LunchBox

14-Oct-2005, 05:08

planning on getting all 3

Readykilowatt

14-Oct-2005, 05:23

I'll be purchasing the Revolution and maybe the PS3 at launch. I have no interest in the Xbox 360 whatsoever.

Inane_Dork

14-Oct-2005, 07:01

LOL, what you have is a correlation, not causation.No, it could be a causation. I just don't know for sure. I find it odd that I have no real attraction to PS3 games that, objectively, I know are probably going to be as good as X360 games. So I think that it's quite likely that subconciously I have blocked getting interested in PS3 games because they are PS3 games.

darkblu

14-Oct-2005, 07:16

1. the ps3 is too much of an orignal machine for me to skip on - the possibility to do homebrew/indy on it is way too tempting ..though i'm still waiting for sony to officially allow homebrew on the psp so the paltform can actually reach its potential.

2. the revolution will surely host one of my favourite games. the new HID is also inspiring and ninty just know how to enterntain.

3. maybe xbox360, if ms officially allow homebrew on it, no strings attached. their console (this time it's a console alright, not a funny-case, crippled pc) has this gpu that's just too curious to be neglected.

Phil

14-Oct-2005, 08:45

Disclaimer & Note: I am responding to the following because it wasn't stated as an opinion, but in fact it's a flawed assessment:

That's why I said 1st gen PS3 games will be going against 2nd gen X360 games, which is true.

I think you've got a very flawed idea of the distinction in games between generations. Both consoles have equally different CPUs which will take a lot of effort to get good performance out of. The result is a rather steep learning curve - one that is present on both consoles. In fact, I'd even go as far to say that each set of developers on either hardware will have a very similar learning curve in the development process,

1.) because the jump from Xbox's PC-ish architecture to Xbox360's is quite a big one in terms that now they have to deal with multiple cores and a more uniquely designed GPU. XNA is going to help I assume, but the fact that a big part of the developers on Xbox360 have been developing Xbox games isn't going to help them much.

2.) Sony PS2 already had a very different architecture to the other consoles with its two vector-units and its in-order CPU. I expect many of the PS2 developers going on to PS3 development will already be taking quite a lot of their experience with "multi-core" development with them, which will greatly benefit their learning curve on CELL. On the upside, better libraries and a API should also help the PS3 in being not as alien as the PS2 was in the beginning (lack of proper documentation, few libraries and compiler issues). PSP already was a step in the right direction - now with PS3 with help from IBM and a proper GPU with OpenGL, things can only improve which I'm sure it will.

The point being: both consoles will have a steep learning curve and a rather similar one at that. Since both hardware makers have their development kits out already and in roughly the same stage, most games will be following a similar timeframe. PS3 is launching in Spring in Japan at least, meaning games will effectively have more time on PS3 until they launch. There's nothing to refute that - Xbox360 games effectively have to be ready in a shorter timeframe and have a very similar learning curve. That also means that come when ever PS3 will be launching in North America, its games will be roughly within the same stage in development. It is not going to be 1st generation games vs. 2 generation games. In fact, if you take into account the devkit problems Microsoft is having and the fact that they are launching in less than 2 months, I'd dare to even call them 1st generation games - more like rushed launch games. In anycase and regardless what we call them, PS3's launch games - I repeat - will have the 4 months extra development time. By the time Xbox360 goes into its 2nd generation games, so will PS3.

As for your earlier nitpick about my reasoning for using support as a factor to support my decision for going with PS3 - even at the moment, it seems quite apparent that Sony's 3rd party support is higher - why wouldn't it? It's the safest bet for developers, not only accoarding to the developers themselves, but market research and analysts predict the same. Maybe this will change in the future, but at the moment, it's as I have stated is the more likely scenario. Yours is still up in the air. And before attempting another PS2 <-> Xbox reasoning with a 2 year launch difference, look no further than DC <-> PS2 in which the timeframe was shorter and DC had a very similar strong following backing it. Even sales were high... and yet the DC was held back by support because the PS2 seemed to be the safer bet and many of the devs were still riding on the success of the original PlayStation while DC was preparing for its launch lineup.

Andy

14-Oct-2005, 09:50

I'll be getting a PS3, possibly when it first launches, (whether it launches in Japan or US first, doesnt really matter) just keeping with tradition, I will most likely buy a Revolution when it hits shores in Australia, X360 I'm a little bit wary of, yes the launch line up looks impressive, but I recently updated my PC, so I'm not really in any great haste to buy one just yet, as the majority of its games end up on PC anyway.

Dont get me wrong I love XBox, particularly when my PC wasnt so crash hot, but since upgrading the PC, I've barely touched it, only really to play Ninja Gaiden. I think my favourite console this Generation due to its niche games, would have to go to Gamecube, which caters to most of my needs, followed closely second by PS2 which has a broader range of titles for me to pick and choose.

.Melchiah.

14-Oct-2005, 11:32

PS3 - definitely
Rev - doubtfully
X2 - not interested

(Pretty much the same as it was during this generation)

PS3 is my top choice mainly because of Final Fantasy and Silent Hill series, plus Sony's 1st & 2nd party developers. Also its possibilities and capabilities excite me, and the inclusion of BluRay is a nice bonus.

Qroach

14-Oct-2005, 12:31

Disclaimer & Note: I am responding to the following because it wasn't stated as an opinion, but in fact it's a flawed assessment:

Phil, you, Mckmas & Scooby just don't get the point of this thread!

drpepper

14-Oct-2005, 12:42

No, it could be a causation. I just don't know for sure. I find it odd that I have no real attraction to PS3 games that, objectively, I know are probably going to be as good as X360 games. So I think that it's quite likely that subconciously I have blocked getting interested in PS3 games because they are PS3 games.

Your original quote:
"PS3 is doubtful for me. I more or less only have time and money for one console, and MS seems to pick up more of the games I like. Or maybe I like them because MS has picked them up. I don't really know which way the causation works, but it did."

You put in doubt wether you'll pick up the console either (1) because MS picked up titles you like or (2) you like them because MS picked them up.

This is analagous to the classic: Alzheimers leads to accumulation of aluminum in the brain or, accumulation of aluminum in the brain leads to Alzheimers. The uncertainty leads to a correlation effect since we don't kow what causes what.

In your cause, you have en element of uncertainty, therefore I pinned it as a corelation. A classic first year psychology explanation. Not that I'm in psychology.

There's a degree of certainty in "causality", ie: my car didn't start because the battery is dead, not the battery is dead because my car didn't start; there's no two way about it as it was in your case. ;) Sorry for going off topic.

rabidrabbit

14-Oct-2005, 12:52

Oh! Now I get this thread!
By it's very nature It's all about a personal preference and opinion "what will you get"... and the personal motivations for how one has come to that conclusion.

...but why are people still arguing about a poll???..... you should not even be able to argue over what someone enters in a poll, as it is purely personal preferences.

london-boy

14-Oct-2005, 12:56

*happy i stayed well clear of this thread*

mckmas8808

14-Oct-2005, 13:16

Phil, you, Mckmas & Scooby just don't get the point of this thread!

Facts are that facts. Nobody is arguing anyone's opinion. Phil and I were saying that PS3 launch games would not be going against 360's 2nd generation games. That's all. Nothing more.

Carl B

14-Oct-2005, 13:22

Facts are that facts. Nobody is arguing anyone's opinion. Phil and I were saying that PS3 launch games would not be going against 360's 2nd generation games. That's all. Nothing more.

Right but what QRoach is saying is in this thread - nobody argue the facts either! I'm saying the same thing. Just leave it alone - if one person starts off on a tangent, just ignore it and let it slide. We don't want people that haven't posted yet to feel they'll get dragged down into an argument over minutiae in this thread.

So, let's all just walk away from it and enjoy people posting their opinions here. :)

I'm sure if anyone really wants to discuss it, starting a thread topic on: 'PS3 and 360 head to head: launch schedules' would get plenty of good debate. But let's keep this poll clean, and that includes your logic arguments DrPepper!

(feel free to PM me on this post anyone, but don't respond directly or that's just propogating the problem!)

Qroach

14-Oct-2005, 13:24

Facts are that facts. Nobody is arguing anyone's opinion. Phil and I were saying that PS3 launch games would not be going against 360's 2nd generation games. That's all. Nothing more.

There is zero "Fact" in anything either of you have said regarding this. I see no reason for you to start an argument over something that is clearly a matter of opinion. You don't agree, fine say you don't agree, and shut up about it, but Don't try and claim your opinion is fact. That's total nonsense.

Xbdestroya has the right idea. Good plan, and that's for understanding what this thread is about.

manuvlad

14-Oct-2005, 13:29

PS3 = 120 (40.27%)
X360 = 106 (35.57%)
Revolution = 64 (21.48%)
I have no current preference = 8 (2.68%)

dizzyd

14-Oct-2005, 13:38

I would like to get both the PS3 and the Xbox360, but since I also want to get a nice HDTV I can probably only afford one which would would be the PS3. The reason is it has the games that I am interested in.

Tekken
MGS
GT
FF
God of War
Ratchet and Clank
DMC
Killzone, etc.

AlStrong

14-Oct-2005, 14:18

I'll get the 360 for sure. I'll wait and see with PS3 and Revolution.

Powderkeg

14-Oct-2005, 14:28

The point being: both consoles will have a steep learning curve and a rather similar one at that. Since both hardware makers have their development kits out already and in roughly the same stage, most games will be following a similar timeframe. PS3 is launching in Spring in Japan at least, meaning games will effectively have more time on PS3 until they launch. There's nothing to refute that - Xbox360 games effectively have to be ready in a shorter timeframe and have a very similar learning curve. That also means that come when ever PS3 will be launching in North America, its games will be roughly within the same stage in development. It is not going to be 1st generation games vs. 2 generation games. In fact, if you take into account the devkit problems Microsoft is having and the fact that they are launching in less than 2 months, I'd dare to even call them 1st generation games - more like rushed launch games. In anycase and regardless what we call them, PS3's launch games - I repeat - will have the 4 months extra development time. By the time Xbox360 goes into its 2nd generation games, so will PS3.

You are flat out wrong.

First off, some 360 developers have had dev kits since late 2003, and most since early 2004. By the time the PS3 launches, developers would have had 2 full years working with some form of 360 hardware and developers tools.

PS3 dev kits only shipped in March of this year, giving developers only a year and a half with the hardware before launch. However, Sony had supply problems with their dev kits, and as of July 21st, had only shipped out 100 kits in total. This means either only a handful of developers had kits at all, or up to 100 development houses had a kit, but only one.

So, as of July, you had either a small group of developers with any PS3 dev kits, or a bunch without enough kits for more than a couple of programmers to learn from.

That means that by the time the PS3 ships most developers will be almost a full year behind their 360 counterparts.

But beyond that, the 360 developers tools make porting content from the PC extremely easy, so in fact many developers were able to start on their content well before the 360 dev kits shipped. They didn't have to wait until the dev kits shipped to start on their game, which is why you see something as massive as Elder Scrolls: Oblivion shipping less than a month after launch.

So in truth, most 360 developers will have had 3-4 years to produce content, and 2 years to get their game engine together by the time the PS3 ships with the majority of it's developers having only had a year with the hardware and tools.

So yes, 360 developers will easily be into their 2nd generation games by the time the PS3 ships, and if anything, it will be the PS3 developers who are rushed.

mckmas8808

14-Oct-2005, 14:34

Right but what QRoach is saying is in this thread - nobody argue the facts either! I'm saying the same thing. Just leave it alone - if one person starts off on a tangent, just ignore it and let it slide.

Oh ok cool.:cool:

mckmas8808

14-Oct-2005, 14:37

Powerkeg you are breaking the rules baby. Chill that talk is not for this thread.:razz:

Ragemare

14-Oct-2005, 15:28

Just a bit of commentary.

This is quite interesting, but not unexpected. In polls on other websites the PS3 has pulled further away from the Xbox360, but here it's very close. Also there seems to be more interest in buying Revolution here which goes against the general notion that tech enthusiasts will be less interested in it than other gamers because of the lack of horse power. Not only that, but less people here have an interest in buying both the PS3 and Xbox360, and would rather just get one of them and possibly the Revolution.

It seems that a section of people in the tech community are buying into the idea of the Rev as a second console and arn't bothered too much by the lack of power. Infact peoples main concern about the Revolution seems to be the number of games that will be released for it and the functionality of the controller.

Peoples' main reasons for buying Xbox360 or PS3, pretty much come down to which one has the games they want. Not many people appear to be baseing their buying decision on which they think will be more powerfull, maybe because the general perception is they will be close enough in power that the quality of the games on each console will be decided almost exclusivly by the games' developers.

On the other hand saying your going to buy the PS3 because it is more powerfull than the Xbox360 or that your going to buy the Xbox360 becasue it has better development tools than the PS3, is bound to cause some bile to be spat in your direction. So maybe some forum members are being more diplomatic and just saying they want the games that are comeing out for console X, but not really stateing why that is.

BTW if somone states their opinion about a console as a fact in this thread, don't try and correct them, it's still their opinion and it's still mind share. The idea of this thread is to state your reasons for buying a console and to observe other peoples. Also I didn't ask for you to predict what other gamers will think or do, just to state your own opinion. I want to see what people really think, not what some people think they should think :wink:

Edge

14-Oct-2005, 15:33

> "In polls on other websites the PS3 has pulled further away from the Xbox360, but here it's very close."

Not surprising, and always thought this forum was overly Xbox fan heavy compared to other multi-console forums.

Qroach

14-Oct-2005, 15:45

Not surprising, and always thought this forum was overly Xbox fan heavy compared to other multi-console forums.

This forum? no not even close. For the longest time xbox was third behind the game cube around here. anyway i think the majority of people are basing thier purchasing preference on the games they see. I've been saying for a while that the general population bases thier purchases on the type of software that interests them. If you offer lots of choice, players will buy it.

BlueTsunami

14-Oct-2005, 15:55

Also, you have to realize that its hard to extract how many fans are on the forums by this poll. I'm a Sony fan, but I voted to get all three. You can have a Xbox fan that voted 360 and Revolution, you can also have a person with Preference for the Revolution that voted PS3 and 360. Some people don't just focus on one console but expand to a secondary ones to get games they couldn't get on their primary console.

I find it interesting that alot of people plan on getting all three.

macabre

14-Oct-2005, 16:43

Right now I`d go for PS3, 360/Rev. maybe later
Sometimes it just needs a price drop and a killer game. I bought a GC just for the RE4 bundle.

Bad_Boy

14-Oct-2005, 17:20

ps3 for me. the 360 is nice, i wont lie, and id probably get one this year if i werent a college student with tons of stuff to pay for. plus ive been saving for a new monitor for a while (24") and thats on the top of my "to get" list. sony usually just has the features and the titles i enjoy more. ive always been a sony whore, bought the ps1/ps2/psp all on launch days, and i probably wont miss the ps3 launch. :x

xbox360 maybe next year for xmas or so.

and i really dont want a revolution, the design is superb but the games/controller scare me. (talking 1st party games, most of their 3rd party games i can get on another console) i havent owned a nintendo machine since the SNES. *gasp*

maybe if nintendo actually shared information on the revolution titles people would be partial to them.

Johnny Awesome

14-Oct-2005, 17:25

As of right now I'm just getting the X360. Sony's first party games are somewhat compelling, but I can't stand MGS and most of the other standard PS franchises like Killzone, SOCOM, excessive substandard Japanese RPGs etc...

My big reasons for going with X360 - Halo 3, PGR3, and Bioware/SK/Rare games.

Kb-Smoker

14-Oct-2005, 17:45

I have a nice gaming computer already plus a PSP and the PS3 will have almost all the games i want.

Almasy

14-Oct-2005, 17:56

The only one I´m sure I´ll get is the PS3. I don´t know if at launch, but if it´s $300 and the software is there, I´m definitely getting it launch day. As for the rest, I´m not really interested in Revolution, I´d have to see if the software isn´t what I expect, tons of games based on mini games and non games, such as Nintendogs. X360, it depends on its japanese support. Many would like to claim otherwise, but the japanese Xbox support was almost at the same level before launching - heck, it had a MGS game announced for it!

Much bigger than anything that has been seen so far, so I´m going to wait and see. If the proper Japanese RPGs and action games are there, I think I´ll get it as my second console, but sometime later down the line.

3roxor

14-Oct-2005, 18:03

I'll get the PS3 close after launch and that's it probably. Seen what I've seen there isn't much reason for me to buy the x360. Lastly the revolution seems to go the kiddy way much like everything else Nintendo.. I'll keep my eye on it though.

NavNucST3

14-Oct-2005, 18:06

Xbox360. I doubt I will get a second console, although I may have a PS3 donated to me.
For me, especially after todays announcement with Live Arcade, the prospect of Live! Arcade and its plethora of games, is greater than mere backwards compatibility, that alone makes the line-up for the 360 the most compelling for me. It gives my wife an excuse to pick up the controller and play one of the simpler styles of games (which tend to be the most addictive anyway), and gets her off my Mac, it also allows her to buy whichever games she likes from the comfort of the couch.

For the xbox, Arcade was like, umm, whatever, for the 360 its a must-have for our household, and if they can get some educational stuff for my son, like reading or math games, that would just be icing on the cake.

mckmas8808

14-Oct-2005, 18:08

And the thought of PSP -> PS3 connectivity makes me :smile: . What if the PS3 has LocationFree TV software built inside of it?:shock:

Qroach

14-Oct-2005, 18:16

It would be even more expensive.

mckmas8808

14-Oct-2005, 18:41

It would be even more expensive.

What if it came in the form of a firmware upgrade like what the PSP has now. I'm pretty sure people would have thought the PSP would have been more expensive if the internet and LocationFree ability would have been sold on day one right?

Qroach

14-Oct-2005, 18:47

fearsomepirate

14-Oct-2005, 19:37

If there aren't any ridiculously super awesome OMG GOTTA HAVE IT NOW titles at launch, I'll be getting Revolution when the next F-Zero hits.

If they kill the F-Zero franchise, I will weep bitter tears...and buy it anyway.

Edge

14-Oct-2005, 19:55

> "It would be even more expensive."

And they would sell even millions more to help pay for it all.

jvd

14-Oct-2005, 20:06

It would still be expensive. They would need to include hardware that other wise wouldn't be included for handling the video streams. I think Sony is going ot have hard time with price as it currently sits, and they will need to cut certain things from what has already been shown to lower the price.

I agree , I don't know why people think the ps3 will be the same price to make as the xbox 360 .

The ps3 has the higher transistor counts , it has 2 batches of ram one of them expensive ram that has to this date not been mass produced

Then you have a next gen optical drive that to this date still has not been mass produced .

You have a ton of inputs and out puts .

I just don't see it being cheaper and i can actually see it being 50-100$ more expensive to produce .

Carl B

14-Oct-2005, 20:08

Ok well, let's not turn this into a PS3 componentry cost thread. ;) Things are still going relatively smoothly in here as a pure poll/opinion space.

valioso

14-Oct-2005, 21:30

i'll get an x360 at launch, I have an xbox now, and I am happy with it, I see no reason to really wait for the ps3. If when the ps3 comes out, something about it catches my eye, or there are games I can't simply pass.. then I will consider a purchase. I had a ps2 before my xbox, and I was also happy with it, and had no issues with it like some people had with break downs, or dis read errors

Edge

14-Oct-2005, 21:33

Over 100 million will sell through means component costs are cheap (especially when dealing with semiconductors and optical components that can be made cheaper over the life of the console), so not sure why people are obessesing over the whole cost issue. Sony will most likely outsell it's nearest competitor by 4 to 5 times, and that mass manufacturing just blows away any reasonable cost difference.

Bad_Boy

14-Oct-2005, 21:43

It would still be expensive. They would need to include hardware that other wise wouldn't be included for handling the video streams.
you mean a wifi/internet connection, a cpu, and a firmware upgrade? im sure the ps3 can handle it if the psp can.

the only way making the location free feature apart of the ps3 more expensive would be if they included the 350 dollar base with it ;)

im sure the 2.5 firmware didnt make the psp more expensive. hell, most of us didnt even know what a location free base player was until the 2.5 firmware upgrade

mckmas8808

14-Oct-2005, 21:47

you mean a wifi/internet connection, a cpu, and a firmware upgrade? im sure the ps3 can handle it if the psp can.

the only way making the location free feature apart of the ps3 more expensive would be if they included the 350 dollar base with it ;)

im sure the 2.5 firmware didnt make the psp more expensive. hell, most of us didnt even know what a location free base player was until the 2.5 firmware upgrade

Hey that's what I was thinking. I thought the PS3 would have the basic to do what the base unit for LocationFree came with. I thought all the PS3 would need is a firmware upgrade. And like you said the PSP can do it.

Qroach

14-Oct-2005, 21:50

you mean a wifi/internet connection, a cpu, and a firmware upgrade? im sure the ps3 can handle it if the psp can.

No I meant where are you going to input your television video? Anyway feel free to dream about that in another thread. This isn't the best place.

mckmas8808

14-Oct-2005, 21:59

No I meant where are you going to input your television video? Anyway feel free to dream about that in another thread. This isn't the best place.

It is possible. Not saying that it will happen. And I thought this thread was the place to say this stuff.

Bad_Boy

14-Oct-2005, 22:02

No I meant where are you going to input your television video? Anyway feel free to dream about that in another thread. This isn't the best place.
im not sure you understand what the location free base is. you input your dvd/vhs player, tv, or favorite console to the base. the base then streams the video out to any device with a internet connection and the correct software.

all the ps3 would need is software for the location free player, as is all the psp needed.
the real cost comes when buying the actual location free base, which is $350 hard to the consumer.

its just software for the ps3/psp.
the hardware is the base.

you could have the base and you could stream video to your laptop if you wanted.

if you wanna know more on how the psp uses it, i posted on it at nvnews after finding a sony forums thread about it...
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=719609&postcount=4

*sorry for de-railing the thread :X

Qroach

14-Oct-2005, 22:16

no i know what it is. I thought these guys were talking about using eh PS3 as a "base" for location free TV and not just a reciever.

Bad_Boy

14-Oct-2005, 22:22

no i know what it is. I thought these guys were talking about using eh PS3 as a "base" for location free TV and not just a reciever.
if you say so...
What if the PS3 has LocationFree TV software built inside of it?:shock:

but yeah, this is all kinda OT... back to the poll :D

fulcizombie

14-Oct-2005, 22:48

Getting both a 360 and a ps3 at launch.It's great that these 2 consoles will ,probably,launch with a one year difference in Europe so there will be plenty of time for me to be excited about both.

I don't really care about the revolution even though i own a GC. I absolutely hate the new controller(sorry Nfans).

Maybe if the new metroid is mindblowning,who knows???

MBDF

15-Oct-2005, 09:11

Would like to get an Xbox 360... a few things I like about the services they offer such as arcade, and downloadable games as well as the online gaming aspect, plus I'm a fan of xenos.

Will defenitely get a PS3, owned three PlayStations, and two PS2's, looking forward to what the PS3 will deliver in terms of graphical as well as non graphical richness.. and I hope the broadband IP camera takes off.

Would like to get a revolution... I look forward to playing with the remote controler, and playing great Nintendo games.. pure fun.

Johnny Awesome

18-Oct-2005, 04:02

Well, MS have certainly done a good job of getting the hardcore forum guys pumped up. :)

Qroach

18-Oct-2005, 21:26

So is this it? did everyone vote?

Kalin

19-Oct-2005, 14:33

PS3 - 156 (39.59%)
Xbox 360 - 145 (36.80%)
Revolution - 82 (20.81%)
I have no current preference - 11 (2.79%)

mckmas8808

19-Oct-2005, 15:44

PS3 - 156 (39.59%)
Xbox 360 - 145 (36.80%)
Revolution - 82 (20.81%)
I have no current preference - 11 (2.79%)

The numbers don't say that on mine.

Kalin

19-Oct-2005, 16:08

The numbers don't say that on mine.

Two more votes since then, one for Xbox360 and one for all three.

PS3 - 157 (39.45%)
Xbox 360 - 147 (36.93%)
Revolution - 83 (20.85%)
I have no current preference - 11 (2.76%)

mckmas8808

19-Oct-2005, 16:30

Mines says 81 for PS3 and 83 for X360.:???:

Carl B

19-Oct-2005, 16:35

Mines says 81 for PS3 and 83 for X360.:???:

It's because you're not adding in the votes of individuals who say they will get multiple consoles into the pool of individuals who will get only one, and using the final tallies to take your percentages.

mckmas8808

19-Oct-2005, 16:52

It's because you're not adding in the votes of individuals who say they will get multiple consoles into the pool of individuals who will get only one, and using the final tallies to take your percentages.

Oh yeah. *smacks head* That's pretty good for the PS3. Most of their titles are vaporware right now. Wait until we actually see stuff.

scooby_dooby

19-Oct-2005, 17:02

I'm really surprised by those numbers. I had always thought this board was very pro-playstation, but maybe it's just that those members are more outspoken.

mckmas8808

19-Oct-2005, 17:06

I'm really surprised by those numbers. I had always thought this board was very pro-playstation, but maybe it's just that those members are more outspoken.

Honestly scooby (this is not against you) it's because you are pro-Xbox. That's why you feel that way. I'm pro-Sony and I used to think this board was all for Xbox and everything Xbox related. Now since I've calmed down and gained some sense I've grown to see that is not the case.

Qroach

19-Oct-2005, 17:07

Carl B

19-Oct-2005, 17:08

I'm really surprised by those numbers. I had always thought this board was very pro-playstation, but maybe it's just that those members are more outspoken.

Psshhh! That's just XBox board hype - the 'Sony fans of B3D.' ;)

I can assure you that if nothing else, since E3 there has been a *significant* influx of Xbox fans. (You TXB guys know who you are!)

Anyway I think there is quite strong representation on both sides of the 'aisle,' but I think what's most important is that everyone get along and respect each others opinions. In theory this should be about dispassionate technology discussion, afterall.

What we can be assured of is that for either the wrong or the right reasons, this poll is not reflective of the 'average' gamer out there, because I feel B3D forum members tend to represent an 'above average' segment in terms of knowledge and immunity to hype.

scooby_dooby

19-Oct-2005, 17:13

Psshhh! That's just XBox board hype - the 'Sony fans of B3D.' ;)

lol, no that's just my observations when all the X360 threads continually go down in flames...but anyways...I digress...

mckmas8808

19-Oct-2005, 17:15

I'm sure there some playstation 2 fans out there that are willing to give something else a shot if they see games they like. Overall I was suprised by the numbers. I didn't think it would do this well against the PS3 in a poll.

I honestly think that what people know the most about is what people are looking most foward to. Most people know the most about the X360 so they are looking forward to it. Yet the know next to nothing about the Nintendo Revolution and the figures show that people aren't really looking forward to it.

I would hate to think that only what 11% of people here are going to get a Rev.:???:

mckmas8808

19-Oct-2005, 17:16

lol, no that's just my observations when all the X360 threads continually go down in flames...but anyways...I digress...

I understand that and I can see where you are coming from. But PS3 news from E3 didn't go down so well either.:sad: It wasn't really flame free if you know what I mean.

Carl B

19-Oct-2005, 17:17

lol, no that's just my observations when all the X360 threads continually go down in flames...but anyways...I digress...

Well, that is a strange trend, I have to admit (and I've noticed that too). I think some of the 360 fans are overly defensive, and make/take things personally (fireshot I'm talking to you!) when they shouldn't. On the other hand some of the Sony fans will just be utterly dismissive of Microsoft's advancements and find cause to denigrate even the most positive news - something that of course would be very frustrating and just gets under people's skin.

Since a lot of the PS3 threads are really Cell-related threads, there's just not much to get fired up over or ridicule - it's pure tech. I haven't seen many a non-Cell or blu-ray PS3 related thread lately; there's just something of an information void at the moment.

I'm sure as more information and gameplay videos become available, PS3 will get it's fair share of threads going down in flames (as if that were a good thing). ;)

Inane_Dork

19-Oct-2005, 19:30

(You TXB guys know who you are!)I do not!

Magnum PI

19-Oct-2005, 21:40

I'm not in a hurry, i prefer to buy console when they are cheaper.

Not much time for gaming, and there is still a lot of games that I would like to play on my GC.
Instead of buying next gen, I could even buy some PS2 for cheap to play the few PS2 games that I missed. I'm not the typical graphics whore, give me a game i like, i do not care if it's current gen. I just like to enjoy the cream of the crop..

Surely i won't buy until 2007 and then I'll be able to make an informed choice.

Now we know not much about the future consoles, especially the revolution.

For the principle i would prefer a sega or nintendo console over PS2 or sony, just because sega and nintendo are game companies.

Johnny Awesome

20-Oct-2005, 02:43

Hate to break it to you but Sony is a game company. Has been for about 10 years now.

Magnum PI

20-Oct-2005, 06:22

we do not share the same definition of what is a game company.

nintendo and sega make not much outside of game-related stuff.

for sony and microsoft its only one of their activities.

Johnny Awesome

20-Oct-2005, 17:49

Qroach

20-Oct-2005, 18:31

Not only that but Nintendo is also considered a "Toy" company. They still release playing cards. Ever heard of Pokemon? ;)

Carl B

20-Oct-2005, 18:39

Not only that but Nintendo is also considered a "Toy" company. They still release playing cards. Ever heard of Pokemon? ;)

Nintendo doesn't release those cards themselves, they simply license out the IP. Not that it's not true that Nintendo is still considered a toy company for some reason.

Shifty Geezer

20-Oct-2005, 19:22

Not only that but Nintendo is also considered a "Toy" company. They still release playing cards. Ever heard of Pokemon? ;)What's Pokemon?

BlueTsunami

20-Oct-2005, 19:26

What's Pokemon?

A tiny creature that you enslave to kill its breatherin. You put it in a tiny ball and it feeds off its own excriments. Although, thats what it seems like :twisted:

Powderkeg

20-Oct-2005, 20:19

Nintendo doesn't release those cards themselves, they simply license out the IP. Not that it's not true that Nintendo is still considered a toy company for some reason.

With names like "Game Boy" do you really not know?

dukmahsik

20-Oct-2005, 20:59

im actually surprised to see 360 hanging in there with ps3

mckmas8808

20-Oct-2005, 22:47

im actually surprised to see 360 hanging in there with ps3

360 is being released in one month and has more stuff to show.

Nesh

20-Oct-2005, 23:35

Hmm.....tough question.I am probably leaning twoards PS3.If I had money I d go for all 3 of them but I am financially a bit restrained.SO usually I get only one.

For the mean time its the PS3 since I owned a PS1 and PS2 which were both the most succesful.

But I may lean towards XBOX360 if some info regarding developing cost, features failing to meet final product etc are true about the PS3 which may end it up like the Saturn.

If I ll buy two console s though the second one will be for sure the revolution if its cheap enough

McHuj

20-Oct-2005, 23:52

I voted PS3 and Revolution.

But for me it depends on when the new consoles come out. I don't have time for a new console this year so I won't be getting the X360 at launch. I haven't been too impressed with the games either. No "must have" titles to my liking. Hopefully, that will change.

Since I am a PS2 owner, I'm thinking PS3 due to BC compatibility with my old PS2/PS1 games. Nex Gen drive is meaningless to me. Once the HD media is available, I'm going to have a dedicated player. But if PS3 doesn't get released until late 2006, I then may get the xbox.

I'm definitely getting a Revolution though. That looks like it will be lots of fun.

dukmahsik

20-Oct-2005, 23:55

360 is being released in one month and has more stuff to show.

nevertheless, it's impressing

Magnum PI

21-Oct-2005, 00:53

Yet both of those companies have separate gaming divisons that behave pretty much like a separate gaming company would. I think it's really silly to say that only Nintendo and Sega are gaming companies. It's ridiculous IMO.

Microsoft gaming division didn't behave like a separate gaming company would have... That's all what i can say about the validity of your claim.
Gaming division of company are just that: divisions of a company.

When sony and microsoft try to gain the console market, i think they approach it like they would approach every other market..
Marketing studies and such things, make the design that attracts the consumers, games that just the kind of game that are console sellers, buy exclusives and/or companies.

When sega and nintendo began, the things were not like that, the marketing wasn't the beginning and the end of all, and they could just try to do things that could appeal to gamers, being creative, new things, not just being controlled by marketer. Interisting things emerged.

Nintendo and Sega have a really strong historical culture about games/toy, especially for the 100+ years old nintendo.

Korrupt

21-Oct-2005, 01:19

Thanks to Pepsi giving me a free X360, I'll be getting both X360 and PS3.

Rev looks interesting, but I'd only buy it when its at current GC-level pricing.

Johnny Awesome

21-Oct-2005, 04:49

You're deluding yourself IMO MagnumPI, but we'll just leave it at that. You think Sega and Nintendo are "pure" and I don't. They're all companies trying to maximize profits for their shareholders.

Magnum PI

21-Oct-2005, 08:13

You're deluding yourself IMO MagnumPI, but we'll just leave it at that. You think Sega and Nintendo are "pure" and I don't.

I didn't pretend anything remotly like that
I think you extrapolated too much...

I guess that at present Nintendo and Sega use all the same marketing tools/methods that Sony and MS use. They just didn't use them in the past, just because they didn't exist.

They're all companies trying to maximize profits for their shareholders.

Yes i know, I'm the one explaining it to the guys who think that MS loose money with the xbox only to please the gamers.

Yes i know Sega and Nintendo are no more charity business than MS and sony..

And they also have a strong historical culture of videogames, and gaming in general. That's not a contradiction.

Just look at the history of videogames, they made a big part of it.

MS doing videogames, it's like Nintendo doing an office suite. They sure could do it of buy another company that dit it, but..