View Full Version : What if Sega-Sammy went into the home console business?
Cornman
11-Oct-2005, 19:50
What would be your opinion of how the hardware and software should be?
Alpha_Spartan
11-Oct-2005, 19:51
This market can't support four consoles.
SLI 7800 GTX's.
Price it at 499-599.
Yep.
New "niche". LIke what Nintendo is going for, but different.
They'd have to do something different. Not just be going for the same Sony-MS market.
BlueTsunami
11-Oct-2005, 20:01
I would definatley get a another Sega Console. Make it happen Sammy..Sega...Sam....Seg...
Make it happen
:O
dukmahsik
11-Oct-2005, 20:09
they'd be a niche console
i dont see it happening at all
scooby_dooby
11-Oct-2005, 20:10
SLI 7800 GTX's.
Price it at 499-599.
Yep.
New "niche". LIke what Nintendo is going for, but different.
They'd have to do something different. Not just be going for the same Sony-MS market.
Where will they get the games?
It would just end up getting ports of games developed for the PS3 of X360, as the userbase would not be large enough to warrant a $20million dollar+ production budget.
BlueTsunami
11-Oct-2005, 20:38
Where will they get the games?
It would just end up getting ports of games developed for the PS3 of X360, as the userbase would not be large enough to warrant a $20million dollar+ production budget.
Yes they would get ports but I think they have a large catalog of first party titles that would be specific to that console. Also, for the first console they throw out, they can do it on a lower scale. Basically super updated old sega games, that alone would really get me excited.
Sure there will be lots of ports, those ports probably won't even be bought for that console but hopefully there would be alot of nostalgic game developers out their that are will to develop for a new Sega gaming console.
Master-Mold
11-Oct-2005, 21:04
What would be your opinion of how the hardware and software should be?
Miserable failure.
Its pointless to even consider "this" Sega doing anything like that.
Megadrive1988
11-Oct-2005, 21:15
SNK-Playmore should go back to console hardware with a four NV50 or R600 GPUs in a new NEO-GEO system. Sammy-Sega support the machine strongly, with their best games. not officially a new Sega system but it would be in practice. :)
They should either partner with Apple to release a gaming iPOD or just adopt MBX as a primary platform and develop premier content for the hundreds of millions of MBX/SGX handhelds that will be sold within the next several years.
If xbox and gamecube being graphically far superior to the ps2 barely managed to scrape 20million units worlwide then both xbox360 and revolution being less powerfull than PS3 have zero chance in hell. I predict both of these systems will sell no more than 5-15 million units in there entire run.
In other words both these systems shall be their respective hardware vendors last home consoles.
So then, in 2010 only Sony shall remain, perfect opportunity for a second player (SEGA SAMMY) to enter.
Mark my words between 2010-2012 they shall return in time for the next next generation.
BlueTsunami
11-Oct-2005, 21:59
Mark my words between 2010-2012 they shall return in time for the next next generation.
teh s3ga pRophet!!!
I don't think Nintendo or Xbox will die off. Nintendo is still making sizeable profit off of Nintendo hardware and software. The Xbox is still in the process of truly spreading its wings. The Playstation is (sorta) an old timer thats in for the long run (you can say the cube is the same...but I wanted different comparisions for all of them).
But i'm all for a Sega console on the market. Though, 4 consoles on the market is a bit much, not only for the consumers but the developers also. Making sure Multi-Platform games span all four consoles will probably never happen.
Powderkeg
11-Oct-2005, 22:16
If xbox and gamecube being graphically far superior to the ps2 barely managed to scrape 20million units worlwide then both xbox360 and revolution being less powerfull than PS3 have zero chance in hell. I predict both of these systems will sell no more than 5-15 million units in there entire run.
In other words both these systems shall be their respective hardware vendors last home consoles.
So then, in 2010 only Sony shall remain, perfect opportunity for a second player (SEGA SAMMY) to enter.
Mark my words between 2010-2012 they shall return in time for the next next generation.
I'm not sure if I should laugh or cry at that. I guess I'll laugh.
:lol:
The more platforms that are viable, the better the multiplatform business model runs. The high cost of content development is diluted across more products.
Guden Oden
11-Oct-2005, 22:29
Lazy,
Content creation costs might be diluted, but programming overhead for the various consoles goes up instead. Also, market is more or less constant anyway (number of console customers won't scale linearly with number of console manufacturers), so the only part the costs for programming can be takein is out of the profit margin...
Also consider: more multiplatform software spread across even more platforms is likely to mean even worse utilization of each platform's strength and over-reliance on the least common denominator, meaning lackluster visuals, dissatisfied customers and a possible loss of sales and market crash a la 1983, though likely on a lesser scale (likely to strike the weakest player(s) the hardest).
teh s3ga pRophet!!!
I don't think Nintendo or Xbox will die off. Nintendo is still making sizeable profit off of Nintendo hardware and software.
Handheld hardware and software. Even then that won't last for long as mobile phone gaming takes off within the coming months and years.
The Xbox is still in the process of truly spreading its wings.
The xbox barely sold being significantly more powerfull than the ps2 what makes you think the 360 shall compete being the weaker system? It will sell in the first month or two, every new product does, then johnny sixpack shall wait for PS3 and sales of xb360 will grind to a hault.
Trust me on this, XB360 fails to turn a profit AGAIN like the XB before it then there won't be another MS console. Simple as that.
Likewise if Rev is a third failure in a row for nintendo then there won't be another console from them either.
This is perfect for SEGA SAMMY, the less competition the better.
Creating content is the most expensive part of development by far.
Cornman
12-Oct-2005, 06:18
Handheld/console hardware and software. Even then that won't last for long as mobile phone gaming takes off within the coming months and years.
The xbox barely sold being significantly more powerfull than the ps2 what makes you think the 360 shall compete being the weaker system? It will sell in the first month or two, every new product does, then johnny sixpack shall wait for PS3 and sales of xb360 will grind to a hault.
Trust me on this, XB360 fails to turn a profit AGAIN like the XB before it then there won't be another MS console. Simple as that.
Likewise if Rev is a third failure in a row for nintendo then there won't be another console from them either.
This is perfect for SEGA SAMMY, the less competition the better.
GC has made more profit than PS2 and Xbox.
AlphaWolf
12-Oct-2005, 06:31
Handheld hardware and software. Even then that won't last for long as mobile phone gaming takes off within the coming months and years.
Mobile phones are eons away from being a serious competitor to any game machine.
The xbox barely sold being significantly more powerfull than the ps2 what makes you think the 360 shall compete being the weaker system? It will sell in the first month or two, every new product does, then johnny sixpack shall wait for PS3 and sales of xb360 will grind to a hault.
The difference is timeframe, in the first generation XBOX came in way late and had to compete with an established product with 100's of games. XBOX made a lot of inroads in NA and established a pretty good playerbase with live.
Trust me on this, XB360 fails to turn a profit AGAIN like the XB before it then there won't be another MS console. Simple as that.
If they only lose a billion a year, MS can keep it running indefinitely if they want. The losses from the xbox product are basically insignificant to their bottom line. However they have made a number of different choices on the product, it should lose less money per unit as a worst case scenario.
Likewise if Rev is a third failure in a row for nintendo then there won't be another console from them either.
This is perfect for SEGA SAMMY, the less competition the better.
I don't think failure is the right word for Nintendo. They are profitable.
Shogmaster
12-Oct-2005, 06:38
This market can't support four consoles.
Agreed. End of thread.
Readykilowatt
12-Oct-2005, 06:43
If xbox and gamecube being graphically far superior to the ps2 barely managed to scrape 20million units worlwide then both xbox360 and revolution being less powerfull than PS3 have zero chance in hell. I predict both of these systems will sell no more than 5-15 million units in there entire run.
In other words both these systems shall be their respective hardware vendors last home consoles.
So then, in 2010 only Sony shall remain, perfect opportunity for a second player (SEGA SAMMY) to enter.
Mark my words between 2010-2012 they shall return in time for the next next generation.
You sound alot like Deadmeat.
GC has made more profit than PS2 and Xbox.
Do you have any figures to back that up? I would think that 100 million sold consoles + >500 million sold titles would make a nice profit, but what do I know.....
He is rigth in a sense. The PS2 made Sony more money than the GC did Nintendo but Sony's other sections haven't been doing that well so they drag down profits. Sony also tend to spend boatloads of cash on R&D and moves like buying MGM.
Just released lindbergh 2 for home.
PC port should be easy, and so is their arcade port.
And make sure its backward compatible with all other Sega previous platforms (home consoles and arcade boards). And have those games ready at launch for people to purchase through their online store or something.
sytaylor
12-Oct-2005, 09:29
GC has made more profit than PS2 and Xbox.
In percentage or raw numbers terms? And does this just include hardware sales, or does it factor in software too?
london-boy
12-Oct-2005, 09:34
Yeah i would just LOVE to see a good spreadsheet or even just a table with the 3 companies' revenues and profits in the last 5 years.
There's this myth about Nintendo having made more profit, but no one has been able to prove it, or prove that it comes from anywhere but their handheld business. Or Pokefuckinmon
sytaylor
12-Oct-2005, 09:38
It's one of those arguments used out of context to try and appear to have won and appease a belief that they can't admit is wrong. Many people do it about things they're loyal to, sports fans are the worst... I just don't see the shame in admitting things and calling eggs eggs. I mean they are eggs after all.
PC-Engine
12-Oct-2005, 11:47
Quad chip PowerVR Serries 5 + 2GB of RAM + dualcore Athlon64 + PPU.
Simon F
12-Oct-2005, 12:49
Mobile phones are eons away from being a serious competitor to any game machine.
I would think they are pretty close. Many already have a fairly powerful CPU and the next generation of graphics chips will have reasonable 3D performance.
Shifty Geezer
12-Oct-2005, 13:11
I would think they are pretty close. Many already have a fairly powerful CPU and the next generation of graphics chips will have reasonable 3D performance.Though one could argue that hardware capabilities aren;t enough. With 30 different makes of gaming phone all with different CPUs, GPUs and capabilities, how do you get quality titles for all of them? I'm guessing virtual machines would be important, which can severely limit the performance of the hardware. eg If every game were Java based, it'd be portable but wouldn't be as fast as native code for the hardware. The situation would likely see even less use of hardware than the existing PC space with more structured supprt for different hardwares.
Powderkeg
12-Oct-2005, 14:33
After the 32X, Saturn, and Dreamcast, no one in their right mind would touch another Sega console.
sytaylor
12-Oct-2005, 14:51
The dreamcast was quite good in the eyes of many. It started life much like the Xbox, it just didn't have its own Halo. That said, the SEGA name is something that people remember, rather than like.
london-boy
12-Oct-2005, 14:53
After the 32X, Saturn, and Dreamcast, no one in their right mind would touch another Sega console.
Well they could just pretend that they were possessed by an alien entity right after the Genesis and just "wake up" and release a super super Genesis 2.
That would be cool.
Powderkeg
12-Oct-2005, 14:58
Well they could just pretend that they were possessed by an alien entity right after the Genesis and just "wake up" and release a super super Genesis 2.
That would be cool.
:lol:
Wouldn't that be like AMC producing a Javalin 2 and hoping no one remembers the Gremlin and PacerX?
london-boy
12-Oct-2005, 14:59
:lol:
Wouldn't that be like AMC producing a Javalin 2 and hoping no one remembers the Gremlin and PacerX?
Oh stop going geeky memorabilia on me! I hardly remember what my PS2 looks like! :twisted:
Shifty Geezer
12-Oct-2005, 15:01
Though really, what would Sega bring that isn't available already. Another 3D console that can play a variety of games, just like XB360 and PS3, only with all Sega's exclusive conten?. So you buy your XB360 for Halo, and a PS3 for GT, and Revolution for Mario, and Sega Ubergenesis for Sonic, despite the fact just one of these machines is capable of running all the games. Doesn't that sound to you like needing different screwdrivers for different brands of flat-packed furniture, or different cars for different journeys? Does to me!
Powderkeg
12-Oct-2005, 15:01
Oh stop going geeky memorabilia on me! I hardly remember what my PS2 looks like! :twisted:
Don't make me reference ColecoVision.
This guy will make the new console a guaranteed success -
http://www.sonicstadium.org/
london-boy
12-Oct-2005, 16:05
This guy will make the new console a guaranteed success -
http://www.sonicstadium.org/
Yeah... Can't wait... http://www.rage3d.com/board/images/smilies/bleh2.gif
Shifty Geezer
12-Oct-2005, 16:35
This guy will make the new console a guaranteed success -
http://www.sonicstadium.org/Eh? How? Is he a trillionaire who'll buy up every machine Sega makes regardless of price?
Dr Evil
12-Oct-2005, 17:43
This guy will make the new console a guaranteed success -
http://www.sonicstadium.org/
Nah, I think PS3 and X360 will be succesful even if Sonic wasn't playable on them...
Your prophecy's and Sega rant is very irritating.
I was speaking of Sonic the Hedgehog in general.
Any system that would have he's games as exclusives cannot fail.
History shows that every Sonic game ever released has gone on to be a million[s] seller.
GwymWeepa
12-Oct-2005, 18:43
Didn't realize that sonice spinball was such a success.
Shifty Geezer
12-Oct-2005, 19:01
I was speaking of Sonic the Hedgehog in general.
Any system that would have he's games as exclusives cannot fail.
History shows that every Sonic game ever released has gone on to be a million[s] seller.A million seller would sell 1 million consoles. A ten million seller would sell ten million consoles. Still not enough to be a success IMO. How many Sonic fans really would shell out $300 to play a Sonic game without the promise of more and diverse games on that platform?
I'll add that Dreamcast had Sonic but it wasn't enough.
BlueTsunami
12-Oct-2005, 19:18
I'll add that Dreamcast had Sonic but it wasn't enough.
Now that was a swift kick to the balls! Thats a great way to look at it though, Sonic cannot be the sole savior of Sega. Which brings me to this question....what games are 1st party Sega games?
london-boy
12-Oct-2005, 21:06
I was speaking of Sonic the Hedgehog in general.
Any system that would have he's games as exclusives cannot fail.
History shows that every Sonic game ever released has gone on to be a million[s] seller.
:lol: That was the funniest thing you've wrote in a LONG time George W.
Megadrive1988
12-Oct-2005, 21:36
If xbox and gamecube being graphically far superior to the ps2 barely managed to scrape 20million units worlwide then both xbox360 and revolution being less powerfull than PS3 have zero chance in hell. I predict both of these systems will sell no more than 5-15 million units in there entire run.
In other words both these systems shall be their respective hardware vendors last home consoles.
So then, in 2010 only Sony shall remain, perfect opportunity for a second player (SEGA SAMMY) to enter.
Mark my words between 2010-2012 they shall return in time for the next next generation.
okay, but there will only be a new SEGA Sammy console *if* Lockheed Martin regains their lost graphics engineers, patents, IP, etc that were at Real3D, and then works with Sega on the GPU for the console.
really really really small chance of all that happening. but one never knows :P
Readykilowatt
12-Oct-2005, 22:37
I personally would like to see Sega re-enter the home console market (more competition is good) but I doubt it will happen anytime soon.
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