G4 talks about this weeks x05. [Archive]

scificube

08-Oct-2005, 19:45

OMG! That was hilarious! G4 seems to be colored unimpressed...big time.

I gotta admit...PDZ leaves me wanting, but there were still some goodies at X05...Mass Effect, Too Human, GoW, and 2K6 all looked gravy to me.

However the letdowns with PDZ, and GRAW totally killed any buzz I was getting. I tried to give PDZ another chance and although it's no longer utterly appauling to me it is still way wasy below what I expected of this game. There's only one question I want answered. WTF happened? C'mon Rare don't BS me. WTF happened?

Inane_Dork

08-Oct-2005, 19:48

Even if they were right, they approached it in an entirely inappropriate way. And yes, I'd say the same for G4 railing like this on any other company. The whole thing just screamed "insecurity" to me.

3roxor

08-Oct-2005, 20:03

It's just unprofessional..although it's true that M$/Xbox360 just failed to impress.

dizzyd

08-Oct-2005, 20:14

That guy doing the commentary, he's the one in Attack of the Show right? Isn't he an unabashed MS hater.

Kb-Smoker

08-Oct-2005, 20:25

That guy doing the commentary, he's the one in Attack of the Show right? Isn't he an unabashed MS hater.He isn't a MS hater. He is really a halo f@nboy.

heavenlyglory

08-Oct-2005, 20:37

That was seriously pathetic..

Crackdown the most impressive game huh?...This is a joke.

Acert93

08-Oct-2005, 20:54

That was seriously pathetic..

Crackdown the most impressive game huh?...This is a joke. I have not listened to it (I avoid G4 interviews/media!), but if that is true.... :shock:

Kameo, Oblivion, and PGR3 off the top of my head, based on what we known about their game design (AI, game mechanics, etc) and what we have seen of their graphics, immediately come to mind as titles that stick out a hundred times more.

And if I spend 2 seconds I would start adding a lot more titles like NBA2K6.

Further, unless they saw a whole lot behind closed doors we did not see, you have to consider Too Human and Bioware's new RPG--both of those looked HOT and sounded very impressive in ambition.

Crackdown? Comic Book GTA knock off.... Call me a snob, but that does not sound great.

Oh well, GTA is one of the greatest selling games this last gen so the idea of a GTA-genre like game but set in a new setting may really geek them out.

Typically I try not to get too excited until we see real gameplay and get a good idea of the final product. Not sure how Crackdown can be more impressive than some really neat next gen games either coming at launch or in 2006.

No accounting for taste I believe.

valioso

08-Oct-2005, 21:01

i avoid g4 like the plague.

pso

08-Oct-2005, 21:09

It's just unprofessional..although it's true that M$/Xbox360 just failed to impress.

Failed to impress? For you probably...

Mass Effect and Too Human alone should've impressed gamers around the world.

Kameo, Oblivion, PGR3, and NBA2K6 gameplay vids added to the MS/Xbox360 hype. X05 was far from a failure IMO.

heavenlyglory

08-Oct-2005, 21:11

I have not listened to it (I avoid G4 interviews/media!), but if that is true.... :shock:

Yeah, in response to Peter Moore saying "videos are videos..they shouldnt ever be compared to actual gameplay"

The guy sarcastically agrees and says "Take the most impressive looking game at X05, Crackdown.." and proceeds to show some cut scene or something from it.
Then said something like "When we asked if thats actual gameplay, they hid behind the "Well thats the way its going ot look in gameplay" smoke and mirrors."

You really have to see this to believe it, the guy is trying so hard to just trash the 360.

The guy never mentions ANY other games which were incredible and playable (with the exception of PDZ which he only mentioned because he was dissapointed).

It's just bad man. I'm wondering how he got the green light to do what he did.

And his bit about the blu-ray..wow.

I hope Moore or Allard addresses this segment at some point.

pso

08-Oct-2005, 21:18

Yeah, in response to Peter Moore saying "videos are videos..they shouldnt ever be compared to actual gameplay"

The guy sarcastically agrees and says "Take the most impressive looking game at X05, Crackdown.." and proceeds to show some cut scene or something from it.
Then said something like "When we asked if thats actual gameplay, they hid behind the "Well thats the way its going ot look in gameplay" smoke and mirrors."

You really have to see this to believe it, the guy is trying so hard to just trash the 360.

The guy never mentions ANY other games which were incredible and playable (with the exception of PDZ which he only mentioned because he was dissapointed).

It's just bad man. I'm wondering how he got the green light to do what he did.

And his bit about the blu-ray..wow.

I hope Moore or Allard addresses this segment at some point.

The guy is a PR monkey for Sony, period. The interview was biased as hell and makes you wonder if he doesn't consider MS/Xbox360 a threat, why bash it the way that he did?

He never mentions the gameplay vids of Oblivion, Kameo, PGR3, NBA2K6 or SK showing of Too Human and Bioware's new IP Mass Effect.

The guy is a joke and such a biased fanb0y that he can't even conduct an interview that isn't slanted, really sad and pathetic.

BlueTsunami

08-Oct-2005, 21:37

G4 TV is on the decline. People who used to watch Tech TV (before they merged) should know what I mean. The channel as a whole has been descending into Shock, Tits & Ass, Cars and Console vs Console media. The shows they create and the commentaries that they do are made to get a reaction, not to inform you (Like every other channel on TV).

Saying all that, It shouldn't be a surprise that a show that claims to get Illegal Media, Software and stuff like that before they dissapear on the net. The whole channel is being turned into a male oriented ~EXPLOSION~. The type of channel where they honestly try to make your eyes dialate and give you siezures with all the real cool content they air.

Suffice it to say, i'm not to surprised with this video. Its the type of stuff you would expect from G4TechTV.

Brimstone

08-Oct-2005, 21:54

Acert93

08-Oct-2005, 22:40

Crackdown isn't just the most impressive XB360 game, it's the most intresting game revealed so far for any system. Up to this point Crackdown has blown away everything on the 360. Gameplay is king and Crackdown will have it in spades. Are you basing this on a gameplay video or what the publisher has said?

All I have seen is the screenshots and the admission from Rockstar that it wont be visually stunning due to the genre limitations so they are taking a more "stylistic". And all I can gather is that it is a GTA knockoff (plenty of those around) with a super hero/comic book twist.

So how has this "blown away everything" on the 360? We have not seen anything gameplay in action nor received any definite fine/specific details on how the game will work (let alone if it will be balanced, engaging, fun, etc).

I agree gameplay is king, but I am at a loss how a game with no actual gameplay footage can be said to be blowing away games that have some pretty good gameplay. Off the top of my head Kameo and Oblivion seem to raising the bar in the gameplay in their respective genres, likewise CoD2 and PGR3 seems to be an evolution in theirs.

I am interested: What specifically about Crackdown have you seen/heard that gives you the strong impression it has?

NavNucST3

08-Oct-2005, 22:41

Crackdown? Comic Book GTA knock off.... Call me a snob, but that does not sound great.

Oh well, GTA is one of the greatest selling games this last gen so the idea of a GTA-genre like game but set in a new setting may really geek them out.

Typically I try not to get too excited until we see real gameplay and get a good idea of the final product. Not sure how Crackdown can be more impressive than some really neat next gen games either coming at launch or in 2006.

No accounting for taste I believe.

With all do respect, calling Crackdown a GTA knock-off, when the creator of GTA is making the game, seems slightly off. I wouldn't doubt for a moment, hearing the glowing reviews/hope for the game that it might possibly be a system seller for next Xmas.

Mefisutoferesu

08-Oct-2005, 22:46

Kevin Perera is the guy or something spelled similarly. I saw some of the interview on TV, didn't download it, so I can't say I've seen the whole things.

A few of the things I've gathered from watching (I have no clue why I watch that channel... I need TV sound in the background though... too used to it) G4 about Kevin. To start, he's a gaming noob... sorta... outside of FPS or MMOs he seems absolutely clueless. He seems to pic a console to mock. I'm not aware of the full story, but he's apparently thuroughly pissed the Gamecube fans this gen. I imagine 360 is next? Finally, his taste suck!! Anyone who thinks DMC3 is bad must have bad taste!! LOL

Seriously, though, I think the guy's just having a knee jerk reaction to the event and, I imagine, the incessent ******s saying "WE HAVE GAMES SONY JUST HAS VIDEOS" that I'm sure the forums at G4 have. Last I recall, they're IGN-esque, so I'm sure you can sympathize. I think he just got fed up and decided to call out some of the stuff, i.e. "MS showed video too, so shut the BLEEP up". A poor choice to use Crackdown as an example, though. In the end, it was probably just something to stir up the boards / gaming forums... bad press is still "good" press, and so forth.

NavNucST3

08-Oct-2005, 22:48

Acert93

08-Oct-2005, 22:49

With all do respect, calling Crackdown a GTA knock-off, when the creator of GTA is making the game, seems slightly off. Just because Rockstar is making the game does not mean it is not a knockoff. Knockoffs are not a bad thing--it just means the idea/genre are established.

Maybe you could explain then how this is different than GTA from a gameplay perspective?

I wouldn't doubt for a moment, hearing the glowing reviews/hope for the game that it might possibly be a system seller for next Xmas There are no reviews for that game ;) There may be hope (like every unreleased title), but what is the hope based on? Hype from the publisher, gameplay footage, what?

That is what I am asking. You are talking as if the game has been reviewed when to my knowledge no one has actually seen realtime ingame footage/gameplay, let alone played the game itself.

I have only read the small media blurbs... so what did you and Brimstone read that have you excited? I must have missed it... and I want to read/see it! Here you guys are talking about the biggest 2006 title and I have no clue what it is beyond a comic book perpetual world like GTA... I am lost, so help!

Acert93

08-Oct-2005, 22:51

I think your first mistake is thinking you heard something from Rockstar, as opposed to David Jones and Real Time Worlds. All I have heard is what I have read at media sites like IGN where they noted the creator of the GTA series was making an exclusive game for the Xbox 360; beyond the few details those sources have had about the general direction of the game I know nothing.

So instead of insinuating this or that why not give some real links?

Bobbler

08-Oct-2005, 22:59

Crackdown isn't Rockstar -- it was David Jones who left Rockstar and started his own thing (Real Time Worlds).

David Jones was supposedly part of the team who made the original GTA games, not sure though. That is probably where the "creator of GTA" stuff comes from.

The only next gen game Rockstar has made mention of is the untitled PS3 western game (most likely Red Dead Revolver 2).

NavNucST3

08-Oct-2005, 23:01

All I have heard is what I have read at media sites like IGN where they noted the creator of the GTA series was making an exclusive game for the Xbox 360; beyond the few details those sources have had about the general direction of the game I know nothing.

So instead of insinuating this or that why not give some real links?

hmm, you seem to be under the impression that Rockstar created GTA, this is why I made the comment about David Jones, but if you want links: here (http://cgw.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3144377&did=1)
It is from the ORIGINAL creator of GTA, for those that remember on their 286/386s.

My apologies if you took offense to my comment, but as you can see, you should not have heard anything from Rockstar. Publisher: Microsoft (http://cgw.1up.com/do/sortIndex?pb=1001104) Developer: Real Time Worlds (http://cgw.1up.com/do/sortIndex?dv=1001952)

blakjedi

08-Oct-2005, 23:24

Crackdown is hot from the vids I saw... dunno if they're gameply though.. if they are they are stylistically the best thing seen on 360... graphically i still say nba2k6 and pgr3 are the aces

Kb-Smoker

08-Oct-2005, 23:39

G4 is NOT biased against xbox,

Enough of this "well they are part investor of this company, so they MUST hate xbox!" crap. It's not true. Period. G4 is NOT biased against xbox, their opinions are just that, opinions, and all of you are overly sensitive to criticism about xbox because for some reason you think an insult against xbox is an insult against you.
:???:

Master-Mold

08-Oct-2005, 23:39

G4 TV is on the decline.

Suffice it to say, i'm not to surprised with this video. Its the type of stuff you would expect from G4TechTV.

Is on the decline?

G4 is just about dead. I have read that their average show has a viewership of roughly 30,000 people. That is simply pathetic.

I used to thoroughly enjoy Tech TV. I would watch Screen Savers, that tech show Sumi Das hosted (Hip Gear something???) , Call for Help, Extended Play, and their science programming . I liked their on air personalities like Leo Laporte, Kevin Rose, Megan, Kat, etc. Now it is a joke of a channel that resorts to crude immature sex jokes, horrible content, and a bunch of people in their late 20s early 30s trying to be "hip" for the teen-age audience since thats all thats left since any real tech viewers stopped watching long ago.

They are so desparate for viewers they are going to be running The Man-Show re-runs starting Monday. I like the Man-Show, but on a Tech channel? G4 is just about done and I couldn't make me happier. It is all self imposed. Between asshats like Tommy "I couldn't be anymore annoying" Tallarico and Laura "35 year old wannabe Emo gamer big phony" Foy I don't see how anyone watches that dreck anymore.

I will cherish the day G4 is officially dead and it couldn't happen to a more deserving channel. How they treated the backbone of people that made Tech TV and simply brushed them aside was deplorable. Good choices so far eh G4? Its really paid off...

scatteh316

08-Oct-2005, 23:48

He's just saying what every one think's.

london-boy

08-Oct-2005, 23:54

What's G4?

scooby_dooby

08-Oct-2005, 23:56

He's just saying what every one think's.

Did you not see the Mass Effect trailer?

IMO easily the best looking in-game graphics BAR NONE so far. If it failed to impress that's nothing more than your own stubborness.

Sol Radi

09-Oct-2005, 00:00

What's G4?

It's a TV station for Videogames in the USA (I think). I'm from Australia but I know some friends from the US who talk about it. From the sounds of it, "Kevin" seems to be a really big Sony supporter, always against Microsoft in one way or another.

london-boy

09-Oct-2005, 00:01

Did you not see the Mass Effect trailer?

IMO easily the best looking in-game graphics BAR NONE so far. If it failed to impress that's nothing more than your own stubborness. What, those 4 seconds of "footage"? Personally it didn't impress me, not because it's on X360 or anything, it just showed nothing. Obviously it was the best thing since sliced bread to you. I'm sure a video with 3 seconds of "footage" of any goodlooking PS3 game would have u on here raving about it being (1) not realtime (2) too little to judge. Not that i'm saying you're biased or anything.

Master-Mold

09-Oct-2005, 00:17

He's just saying what every one think's.

Yeah maybe on PS3 message boards.:roll:

Considering they are basically sold out of the first run of X360s I guess your "everyone" theory doesnt hold water.

Mefisutoferesu

09-Oct-2005, 00:22

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Acert93

09-Oct-2005, 00:43

Remember da rules, baby!! OW! Good advice, even if Mef is calling us babies ;)

My apologies if you took offense to my comment, but as you can see, you should not have heard anything from Rockstar. Publisher: Microsoft (http://cgw.1up.com/do/sortIndex?pb=1001104) Developer: Real Time Worlds (http://cgw.1up.com/do/sortIndex?dv=1001952) You are right. I was associating the creator of GTA with Rockstar since Rockstar publishes GTA. My bad :oops: As someone who does not actually like the series I guess I assumed, wrongly, that the GTA creator was still with them. Doh!

Btw, I am not saying anything negative about the game, I am just inquiring more into it since you guys seem to be pretty excited about it. I went back and read the IGN stuff and their first note was about some footage that may be gameplayish but it was not said to be gameplay... their later eyes on had a bit more detail on where the game is going. Kind of you are a cop, with super powers, the level loads once and streams from there. Large huge world, 21 kingpens with independant industries, you take one down the others fill in the void and take over his industry, can use a lot of different weapons, etc...

scooby_dooby

09-Oct-2005, 01:02

What, those 4 seconds of "footage"? Personally it didn't impress me, not because it's on X360 or anything, it just showed nothing. Obviously it was the best thing since sliced bread to you. I'm sure a video with 3 seconds of "footage" of any goodlooking PS3 game would have u on here raving about it being (1) not realtime (2) too little to judge. Not that i'm saying you're biased or anything.

Who really cares how long the footage was? The fact it was in game and looked near CG quality was not impressive?

And before you start making completely unfounded accusations maybe take a look in the MGS4 thread while I called it "amazing" I'm not biased like you think, and always give credit where it's due, realize that before you mis-interpret my position like always.

IMO the character in Mass Effect is the best in-game graphics that has been released so far, the characters face, the way the expression changes, I haven't seen anything that good yet.

That's just my opinion, I can understand not everyone will agree, but how anyone can say that in-game graphics of that calibre are NOT "impressive" is completely beyond me. It's the equivalent of saying MGS4 or GOW is not impressive, it's complete nonsense.

Seriously, what game are you playing currently that make this unimpressive? I'd really like to know.

Bobbler

09-Oct-2005, 01:03

You are right. I was associating the creator of GTA with Rockstar since Rockstar publishes GTA. My bad :oops: As someone who does not actually like the series I guess I assumed, wrongly, that the GTA creator was still with them. Doh!

I think you still got it confused. Rockstar does make the GTA games, its just that the first GTA (GTA1/2 on PC) were not necessarily made by the current Rockstar -- DMA designs did (which then became into Rockstar/Rockstar North) and David Jones was around when DMA designs was. Rockstar that we know today is responsible for the more popular GTA games.

The claim of the "creator of GTA" thing is more marketing than anything it is (so people will look at his game -- same thing Hellgate team has done with Blizzard).

Regardless the game could turn out rather entertaining.

NavNucST3

09-Oct-2005, 01:11

I loved the original GTA, and couldn't stand the rest, I don't think it was anything personal against Rockstar, its just me and FPS, I can play sci-fi based FPS like Halo, but something like Black Hawk Down, hits way way too close to home. Maybe, a touch of post-traumatic stress...
Somehow, I see Crackdown as more of a cartoonish/superheroish FPS that maybe I can get into. Actually, I think its just the Co-op scene that got me excited (picking up a car, carrying it to the top of a building, driving off the top of said building, jumping out of car just before my buddy blows it to pieces); that is so over-the-top I KNOW it couldn't possibly trigger any latent bad/real-world memories.

Kb-Smoker

09-Oct-2005, 01:20

What's G4?
Its a tv channel here in the states. Here is the website...

Link (http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/index.html)

chachi

09-Oct-2005, 01:43

He's just saying what every one think's.
I recorded two X05 shows on the Tivo hoping to catch some Dead Rising goodness (the only game shown for next gen so far for either console that really makes me want to buy a system) and honestly if anyone could sit through that without hitting the 30-second skip button constantly to find the video footage then I'm absolutely amazed.

They did seem down on the 360 but whether that's because they're biased or just think the PS3 is better I don't watch it enough (at all really, since this was the first time I'd seen it) to know and from what I saw it's not worth finding out.

I know it's a bit slow right now, nothing from Sony or Nintendo really, but this type of thread is dragging down the board. Think twice before giving in to your advocate tendencies and posting this type of crap here.

Inane_Dork

09-Oct-2005, 02:07

Personally, I see more of Spiderman 2 in Crackdown than GTA. But GTA and Spiderman 2 aren't totally different games.

Anyway, what others may not have noticed is that G4 cut and spliced the video of Crackdown to remove, IMO, the cooler parts. I think they may have done the same with the PDZ footage too.

If that show was a post to this forum, it would be 100% flamebait. I think that sums my feelings pretty well.

liverkick

09-Oct-2005, 02:14

Anyway, what others may not have noticed is that G4 cut and spliced the video of Crackdown to remove, IMO, the cooler parts. I think they may have done the same with the PDZ footage too..

Are you saying they subversively edited the footage to make it look less cool?

Heh.

Thegameman

09-Oct-2005, 03:20

Yeah, in response to Peter Moore saying "videos are videos..they shouldnt ever be compared to actual gameplay"

The guy sarcastically agrees and says "Take the most impressive looking game at X05, Crackdown.." and proceeds to show some cut scene or something from it.
Then said something like "When we asked if thats actual gameplay, they hid behind the "Well thats the way its going ot look in gameplay" smoke and mirrors."

You really have to see this to believe it, the guy is trying so hard to just trash the 360.

The guy never mentions ANY other games which were incredible and playable (with the exception of PDZ which he only mentioned because he was dissapointed).

It's just bad man. I'm wondering how he got the green light to do what he did.

And his bit about the blu-ray..wow.

I hope Moore or Allard addresses this segment at some point.

Don't panic he did the same with the PS3 at E3 and i have it recorded from G4,he was the first one to look on denial and say pre-render to the Killzone video sony show,when others were more optimist about it,he also slam sony for showing just videos.

The other G4 staff were talking about how great the movies look and how it would make you wonder if it was rela time or not,and he slam them saying that MS could have also do the same pay to some studio to make them a CG and say that is how the final product will look like.

Hell i think back then that he was pro MS,but now i say that he have slam both MS and Sony.

Azrael

09-Oct-2005, 05:37

Failed to impress? For you probably...

Mass Effect and Too Human alone should've impressed gamers around the world.

Kameo, Oblivion, PGR3, and NBA2K6 gameplay vids added to the MS/Xbox360 hype. X05 was far from a failure IMO.

3roxor is a PS3 ******. X05 wouldn't impress him no matter what was there.

expletive

09-Oct-2005, 05:41

Well with no other historical data and seeing this clip in a vacuum, i'd have to say at least THIS guy is biased against MS:

http://media.putfile.com/G4_AOTS36

Theres a clip of Peter Moore saying "you shouldnt judge a console based on vdeos and not gameplay." The host goes on a rant about how MS showed a video of crackdown and that it was the same thing as KZ at E3.

He didnt bring up any of the best games coming out in the launch window and picked on an obvious weak link graphically in PDZ. Also no mention of the big game announcements. I'm not sure he was even at X05...

IF they want to knock PDZ thats fine, but tell the whole story. And why bother comparing the 360 to PS3 at this point anyway? Until you can play both of them theres really no point is there?

J

mckmas8808

09-Oct-2005, 06:53

Well with no other historical data and seeing this clip in a vacuum, i'd have to say at least THIS guy is biased against MS:
J

I swear to you expletive he is bias against every console maker. Last year he use to bash Nintendo HARD. And I mean real hard. I remember reading people on boards that love Nintendo used to curse him out bad. Then around E3 he bashed Sony day after day about not showing real gameplay even though they weren't coming out for another year plus.

He constantly said that KZ was impossible and if it was possible (which he thought it wasn't) that MS would automatically lose. And now it seems like he is bashing MS and lately has been praising Nintendo for their new DS games coming out and innovative controller. I think he's just a big flip flopper that's all. Nothing against MS or anything.

Azrael

09-Oct-2005, 08:12

I swear to you expletive he is bias against every console maker. Last year he use to bash Nintendo HARD. And I mean real hard. I remember reading people on boards that love Nintendo used to curse him out bad. Then around E3 he bashed Sony day after day about not showing real gameplay even though they weren't coming out for another year plus.

He constantly said that KZ was impossible and if it was possible (which he thought it wasn't) that MS would automatically lose. And now it seems like he is bashing MS and lately has been praising Nintendo for their new DS games coming out and innovative controller. I think he's just a big flip flopper that's all. Nothing against MS or anything.

Maybe he just hates videogames. Strange how he keeps his job if so.

Mefisutoferesu

09-Oct-2005, 09:13

You guys are being terrible... I can't believe I'm going to defend this guy (I frankly think he's a bit of prick), but HE"S NOT BIASED!! Seriously, he may have his issues that he voices, but that doesn't make him biased.

The first day of X05 when AoTS (the name of the show) started, the very first thing they did was show a trailer for Mass Effect and announce games. You guys are forcing him into a little bubble world! You take one comment he makes out of the multitude and then because you don't like it, call him biased or a fanboi. If you watch the show enough, you'd realize the guys just railing against the "Sony only shows movies, we have games". He spent A LOT of the time saying "where are the games, Sony?" (I'm paraphrasing), and now tadaa MS shows a bunch a movies. SC4, Mass Effect, Too Human, and so on were just movies, realtime or not that's no better than what Sony has been doing and it pissed him off, especially so considering Sony has at least 6 months to go while XBox is in launch mode.

Not everyone has to love what you love! Would you act this way if he said he hates peaches or coffee or whatever? Let it go.

Brimstone

09-Oct-2005, 09:22

Are you basing this on a gameplay video or what the publisher has said?

All I have seen is the screenshots and the admission from Rockstar that it wont be visually stunning due to the genre limitations so they are taking a more "stylistic". And all I can gather is that it is a GTA knockoff (plenty of those around) with a super hero/comic book twist.

So how has this "blown away everything" on the 360? We have not seen anything gameplay in action nor received any definite fine/specific details on how the game will work (let alone if it will be balanced, engaging, fun, etc).

I agree gameplay is king, but I am at a loss how a game with no actual gameplay footage can be said to be blowing away games that have some pretty good gameplay. Off the top of my head Kameo and Oblivion seem to raising the bar in the gameplay in their respective genres, likewise CoD2 and PGR3 seems to be an evolution in theirs.

I am interested: What specifically about Crackdown have you seen/heard that gives you the strong impression it has?

The game world of Crackdown has collateral damage. Meaning the game world can be destroyed. For example if you need to break into a large building like a warehouse and the main entrance is heavily guarded, you can get into a big rig truck and drive it straight thru the buildings wall. As a car is damaged you can take the car door and use it as a shield or throw it as a weapon.

The game world is vertical, so you can climb buildings and shimmy along ledges or break into buildings via a 5th story window.

Each of the 3 criminal orginizations has 7 kingpins, each specilizing in a certain area. One kingpin might specilize in weapons procurement. So if you takedown that Kingpin that provides weapons to that paticular group, the guns the hechman carry will be less powerful because that kingpin won't be there to provide the lastest and greatest weapons anymore. Another kingpin could be a gang recruiter, so you take down that kingpin and the numbers of henchman will go down.

Over LIVE you can play co-op. You can both run around the city doing whatever you want, and when you want to help each other you can do so.

Shifty Geezer

09-Oct-2005, 10:12

Maybe he just hates videogames. Strange how he keeps his job if so.Presumably he plays an antagonist. He's the gameshow presenter everyone loves to hate who's only there to throw negativity into the mix. That's a usual way for TV producers to think.

"We wanna do a game show. How can we keep it really interesting? What sort of presenters do we need?"
"Well you'll probably want the geek; a cool geezer; some babe/totty, a chick who likes computer games in leather is normal; and then some moron who gets up everyone's nose and talks rubbish. He's there get some emotional involvement."
"Emotional involvement?"
"Anger. Viewers get angry with him. Otherwise it's just a load of trailers and poor interviews which has no emotional grab."

BTW I haven't seen G4 so don't know how the presenter setup is.

deathstar121

09-Oct-2005, 13:03

G4TV is crap, TechTV was better i used to live on that channel, but since comcast bought techtv and merged it with G4, I can't stand G4.

expletive

09-Oct-2005, 14:20

I swear to you expletive he is bias against every console maker. Last year he use to bash Nintendo HARD. And I mean real hard. I remember reading people on boards that love Nintendo used to curse him out bad. Then around E3 he bashed Sony day after day about not showing real gameplay even though they weren't coming out for another year plus.

He constantly said that KZ was impossible and if it was possible (which he thought it wasn't) that MS would automatically lose. And now it seems like he is bashing MS and lately has been praising Nintendo for their new DS games coming out and innovative controller. I think he's just a big flip flopper that's all. Nothing against MS or anything.

Youre right. I found a link to a playstation forum where the playstation fanb0ys were bashing him because he was anti Sony. Seems no one likes him. I have no problem with him being hard on consoles as long as his points are valid.

J

shred5

09-Oct-2005, 15:46

I saw this on g4tv too.. I can not beleive he took 5 min. out of the show to just slam the 360... I hope that show gets cancelled because it is bad anyway...

What happened to all the good shows.. Tech tv had allot and so did G4 before they merged...

Acert93

09-Oct-2005, 15:57

The game world of Crackdown has collateral damage. Meaning the game world can be destroyed. For example if you need to break into a large building like a warehouse and the main entrance is heavily guarded, you can get into a big rig truck and drive it straight thru the buildings wall. As a car is damaged you can take the car door and use it as a shield or throw it as a weapon.

The game world is vertical, so you can climb buildings and shimmy along ledges or break into buildings via a 5th story window.

Each of the 3 criminal orginizations has 7 kingpins, each specilizing in a certain area. One kingpin might specilize in weapons procurement. So if you takedown that Kingpin that provides weapons to that paticular group, the guns the hechman carry will be less powerful because that kingpin won't be there to provide the lastest and greatest weapons anymore. Another kingpin could be a gang recruiter, so you take down that kingpin and the numbers of henchman will go down.

Over LIVE you can play co-op. You can both run around the city doing whatever you want, and when you want to help each other you can do so. Thanks Brimstone.

So the game progresses from the idea of a persistant world to a persistant *dynamic* world where 1) your actions impact the future of the game and 2) the world is your play thing, use it as you want... and pay/reap the consequences.

If they succeed on this... well, that would be one large and significant step in game design. This is no small order... the AI is going to be intensely hard to do, and for every game asset the user uses the developer is going to need to create 5-10x more to make the world seem "full and varied" and give each gamer a unique experience.

If they succeed I hope the game theme/story is appealing to the mainstream. GTA, even though I dislike the theme (one reason I don't buy them), it seems to get people really excited. If Crackdown succeeds in attaining its vision I hope everyone and their dog gets this game.

Black Dragon37

09-Oct-2005, 15:58

That guy's a comedian! :lol:

jvd

09-Oct-2005, 22:19

G4 is interesting .

When i first started watching g4 (not tech tv) they bashed nintendo till they were blue in the face. The nslowly the hate went to ms .

Its really bad at this point where 90% of the time they are bashing the xbox 360 with tina hyping up the nintendo stuff .

Then there is the one guy from attack of the show that likes halo 2 and a few ms games .

I really odn't listen to what they say i only watch for exclusive info

Kb-Smoker

09-Oct-2005, 22:26

this was taken from his website
You just can’t win...

Microsoft f@nboys think I’m owned by Sony.
Nintendo f@nboys think I’m a Microsoft whore.
Sony f@nboys think I’m a cyborg from 2017, created via joint effort between MS and Nintendo, sent back through time to defame their precious console.

Meanwhile...

My favorite console of this generation is the Xbox.
If given a choice I’d want my hands on the Revolution controller over, say, Jessica Alba.
And words cannot describe my love for all things Harmonix, Katamari or God of War.

I called out the GameCube for lacking 3rd party support and genre whoring Mario. Naturally, that won me the hearts and minds of the Nintendo community.

I was the loudest opponent and skeptic of Sony’s pre-rendered KillZone E3 PS3 parade. Thus, I was labeled a non-believer by legions of Madden loving dual-shock worshipers.

And I recently called out Microsoft for a few things that were shown and said at X05. Now granted, I do believe Microsoft is being the most honest about their console (and its’ capabilities) with regard to the next-gen race, but that doesn’t excuse them from the occasional checking in my book

All in all? Not the best way to make friends on the internet… no. But luckily I’m not longing for brand-zealots to add me to their MySpace pages or sing my praises in some sticky thread on an EasyBoard.

You know what; it’s entirely possible to not give a damn about the label, packaging or company behind a product. It’s entirely possible to like, love and despise unabashedly. It’s entirely possible to have differing opinions, to acknowledge the existence of a counterpoint and to not be a giant douche on the internet when confronted with one.

I know, I know... for some of you these truths are a bitter pill to swallow. Just relax, grab a Dixie cup of water, choke it down, and stfu.

Seacrest out.

link (http://kpereira.typepad.com/main_blog/2005/10/you_just_cant_w.html#more)

Brimstone

09-Oct-2005, 22:47

Thanks Brimstone.

So the game progresses from the idea of a persistant world to a persistant *dynamic* world where 1) your actions impact the future of the game and 2) the world is your play thing, use it as you want... and pay/reap the consequences.

If they succeed on this... well, that would be one large and significant step in game design. This is no small order... the AI is going to be intensely hard to do, and for every game asset the user uses the developer is going to need to create 5-10x more to make the world seem "full and varied" and give each gamer a unique experience.

If they succeed I hope the game theme/story is appealing to the mainstream. GTA, even though I dislike the theme (one reason I don't buy them), it seems to get people really excited. If Crackdown succeeds in attaining its vision I hope everyone and their dog gets this game.

I don't know what the consequences of engaging in a big firefight on a busy street are. Obviously a heavy weapon like a rockect launcher would cause serious damage. I assume the idea is not to destroy the city more than needed since you are a trying to rescue the city from the criminals that have taken over. What happens if a civilian gets got in the crossfire?

Also I've read something about being able to target specific locations when firing a gun. I don't know if there is incentive to shoot a gun from a criminals hand and arrest him. This is unclear to me. Same thing with a car you can choose to target the tires instead of blowing up the car and killing those inside.

scooby_dooby

09-Oct-2005, 23:14

I read one preview where they were describing co-op play. I think they needed to get into a building, so one player drove a car off the roof an an adjacent building, the 2nd player targetted the gas tank of the car. 1st player jumped out of the car mid-air, as 2nd player shot the gas tank in mid-flight.

Sounds pretty cool.

blakjedi

09-Oct-2005, 23:57

He may or may not be a fanboi but with this quote:

"If given a choice I’d want my hands on the Revolution controller over, say, Jessica Alba."

He clearly is missing a few gears! :wink:

jvd

10-Oct-2005, 00:14

Master-Mold

10-Oct-2005, 00:34

What he says is all fine and dandy . However when you have 3 hosts kicking microsoft and saying nothing was good that is when you cross the line from being objective to bias . The channel itself is bad , they throw on good looking girls in each show that don't really know what they are talking about and then one guy that sorta knows . Expects us to fall for it .

Thankfully they put screensavers back on , but its no longer as good as the old screen savers

I would say "decent" looking girls at best. Everyone goes nuts over Morgan Webb, but Im sorry she looks manish. She has the facial features of Freddy Mercury and a plain unathletic/flat lower half. I am almost 100% sure if you removed one of her tops her milk bladders would be around her stomach. Remember her old Screen Saver days? With her short manish hair that was dyed 100 colors wearing her grunge clothes? (insert puke smiley)

http://www.morganshair.net/images/golden_brown/full/evil.jpg

The best looking woman on the channel is definately Diane Mizota. Now she is officially hot. The rest of them are pretty mediocre in the big scheme of things as far as hosts go.

jvd

10-Oct-2005, 00:38

I'm talking tina woods who is actually nice ( i met her in person ) and the girl from cheat .

The rest are eh . But it is better than looking at guys

as for morgan webb she doesn't lok to bad , u should see her maxim shoots

mckmas8808

10-Oct-2005, 05:08

Yep Tina Woods anyday. It seems like Kevin P has made a come back from no where. Wow I never thought he would shut up so many people in one statement.

Readykilowatt

10-Oct-2005, 05:23

You just can’t win...

Microsoft f@nboys think I’m owned by Sony.
Nintendo f@nboys think I’m a Microsoft whore.
Sony f@nboys think I’m a cyborg from 2017, created via joint effort between MS and Nintendo, sent back through time to defame their precious console.

Meanwhile...

My favorite console of this generation is the Xbox.
If given a choice I’d want my hands on the Revolution controller over, say, Jessica Alba.
And words cannot describe my love for all things Harmonix, Katamari or God of War.

I called out the GameCube for lacking 3rd party support and genre whoring Mario. Naturally, that won me the hearts and minds of the Nintendo community.

I was the loudest opponent and skeptic of Sony’s pre-rendered KillZone E3 PS3 parade. Thus, I was labeled a non-believer by legions of Madden loving dual-shock worshipers.

And I recently called out Microsoft for a few things that were shown and said at X05. Now granted, I do believe Microsoft is being the most honest about their console (and its’ capabilities) with regard to the next-gen race, but that doesn’t excuse them from the occasional checking in my book

All in all? Not the best way to make friends on the internet… no. But luckily I’m not longing for brand-zealots to add me to their MySpace pages or sing my praises in some sticky thread on an EasyBoard.

You know what; it’s entirely possible to not give a damn about the label, packaging or company behind a product. It’s entirely possible to like, love and despise unabashedly. It’s entirely possible to have differing opinions, to acknowledge the existence of a counterpoint and to not be a giant douche on the internet when confronted with one.

I know, I know... for some of you these truths are a bitter pill to swallow. Just relax, grab a Dixie cup of water, choke it down, and stfu.

Seacrest out.

This guy is an idiot.

mckmas8808

10-Oct-2005, 05:30

This guy is an idiot.

Care to explain how from that statement.

Nfactor

10-Oct-2005, 05:38

Well looks like Kevin owned the Xbox 360 into obilivion, I'm sure Adam and Morgan will do the same when they start reviewing Xbox 360 games on they're show in a few weeks. It's only gonna get worse from here on out.

Enjoy!

heavenlyglory

10-Oct-2005, 08:21

Heh..this Kevin guy just oozes unprofessionalism.

The man can't admit that he was WAY off in his remarks in that segment.
This wouldnt be a big deal at all if he actually had some substance to his opinions, but what he did was blatant, biased misrepresentation of whats really going on.

I mean come on.."Microsucky?"

wco81

10-Oct-2005, 15:17

they throw on good looking girls in each show that don't really know what they are talking about and then one guy that sorta knows .

Pretty sexist. I think they all have about the same knowledge, privy to the same info. The guys are just louder about saying stuff.

Anyways, since the channel appeals mostly to a male demographic, of course they will have girls on.

valioso

10-Oct-2005, 15:25

G4 is going to start showing the man show? thats about all you need to know.

ImaginaryIndustryInsider

10-Oct-2005, 17:08

leechan25

10-Oct-2005, 19:17

I think most of the games currently on Xbox360 look like dress up PC game which I never play. I really want to see something that will knock my socks off MGS4. Only GOW or whatever the name of the game is comes close but I hate frist person shooters. Most Xbox 360 game look plain to me.

EricVonZipper

10-Oct-2005, 19:37

I think his comments are on purpose, look at the free *publicity*(negative or positive) they are getting, every gaming forum has a G4 TV thread. (free advertising)

They are practically (in)Famous!

Say something stupid and you'll get noticed.

PGR3 looks like a PS1 game.

;)

dizzyd

10-Oct-2005, 19:43

pso

10-Oct-2005, 20:01

System Wars still down huh? :razz:

Exactly. I guess GS System Wars being down, the fanb0ys over there are flooding the B3D boards, pathetic.

BlueTsunami

10-Oct-2005, 20:21

Exactly. I guess GS System Wars being down, the fanb0ys over there are flooding the B3D boards, pathetic.

I went to that site once, it was like looking into the Abyss......and something was staring back at me......

A Playstation Fan30y with a cheeto stuck on his cheek :shock:

I just looked at the Morgen Webb FHM spread.

:shock::shock::shock:

I see her in a COMPLETLEY different light. If you think Morgan isn't that hot....look for her FHM pictures...womanly body...underneath...making me do things...to my monitor

>.>

Nfactor

10-Oct-2005, 23:26

I went to that site once, it was like looking into the Abyss......and something was staring back at me......

A Playstation Fan30y with a cheeto stuck on his cheek :shock:

I just looked at the Morgen Webb FHM spread.

:shock::shock::shock:

I see her in a COMPLETLEY different light. If you think Morgan isn't that hot....look for her FHM pictures...womanly body...underneath...making me do things...to my monitor

>.>

Indeed, yeah I'm from system wars, but I still think the Xboys are taking this public trashing of there console a bit to far. I mean let's not forget the E3 coverage on G4 of Allard and Back keynote address to paid for evanligist crowd in there pre-E3 show. "All of the Xbox 360 units will have a HDD unit, for saving your media files." - after the applause and the 3 month later realization that it wouldn't have one, I think the Kevin P piece was quite the accurate stickler for the MS hype wagon to be derailed on the same station that gave them media coverage at E3.

All's fair in the promotion game.

Kb-Smoker

11-Oct-2005, 00:24

This is from todays show. GOT to check this out.

Link to video of todays show (http://media.putfile.com/G4_ATOSmonday)

jvd

11-Oct-2005, 00:45

This is from todays show. GOT to check this out.

Link to video of todays show (http://media.putfile.com/G4_ATOSmonday)Yup pretty sad

BlueTsunami

11-Oct-2005, 00:59

This is from todays show. GOT to check this out.

Link to video of todays show (http://media.putfile.com/G4_ATOSmonday)

I totally thought the whole Xbox360 was a spoof, but appearently after watching that vid..it wasn't. Although he does have a point that its his opinion and his alone (although I don't agree with alot of what he said). In the end, he deserves whatever backlash he gets, he knows better.

Kb-Smoker

11-Oct-2005, 00:59

Come guys it was kinda funny. :razz:

jvd

11-Oct-2005, 01:07

I totally thought the whole Xbox360 was a spoof, but appearently after watching that vid..it wasn't. Although he does have a point that its his opinion and his alone (although I don't agree with alot of what he said). In the end, he deserves whatever backlash he gets, he knows better. Its not his opinion alone . He is speaking for a show and is giving alot of gamers thier news . The channel it self should be as objective as it can possibly be and you shouldn't relaly come out with names like microsucky or whatever was said .

Master-Mold

11-Oct-2005, 01:11

This is from todays show. GOT to check this out.

Link to video of todays show (http://media.putfile.com/G4_ATOSmonday)

Just.........just awful.

Doesn't he get it? Its not just about his opinion. Its not called "The Kevin Show" on some public access channel. When you have alot of fans of a particular product and you take a solid three minutes just tearing into it it looks bad.

What he did the other day on AOTS was as if it was ripped straight from a post from the crappiest of forums.....like Gaming Age.

It would be no different if tonight on Monday Night Football John Madden said "I hate the Steelers. They are overrated and are the worse team in the league. I think Big Ben is a fraud and should be a janitor at a public school. On the other hand the Chargers are the best team ever, haha Steeler fans what do you think about that?"

Of course if he did such a thing even if it his opinion Steeler fans would want his head on a platter. Kevin should have known what to expect after that completely 1 sided, childish, biased tirade. Now he acts like he didnt expect heat from it?:roll: Whatever...

BlueTsunami

11-Oct-2005, 01:11

Its not his opinion alone . He is speaking for a show and is giving alot of gamers thier news . The channel it self should be as objective as it can possibly be and you shouldn't relaly come out with names like microsucky or whatever was said .

Yeah thats true. Although I never really took the dude that made that piece seriously. It seems as though it was more of a ~SHOCK~ type of commentary on X05 to pull in viewers or something. I love how flaberghasted (<---holy crap, did I spell that right?!?!?) he seemed, he HAD to know the Forum lashback that he would get!

By the way....Morgan Webb is hot...FHM + Morgan Webb equals my total and complete devotion to her.....:shock:

wco81

11-Oct-2005, 01:16

Actually that Sarah Lane is a cutie in a girl-next-door kind of way.

TrungGap

11-Oct-2005, 03:10

I really miss the old TechTV.

My problem isn't with the host(s)...eh...okay, it is. While it's not a crime to have an opinion, ala Fox News. My problem with G4TV is that it's done in bad taste. The jokes aren't funny. The spoof aren't interesting...and sometimes, the reviews don't really tell you anything, especially X-Play. What's up with all the stupid spoof during a game review? It also like they're saying our review is so boring, we have to add junk to it. Man, when I watch a review, I want to know more about the game/product, even if they think the game is boring/suck, tell me why don't side track into some lame skits.

Initially, AOTS was okay. It kept the lame jokes to a minium. But then suddenly, it started to go down down. In one show, when Sarah reviewed an underwater pda case...they did a really lame skit. It's a kind of humor even my 13 years old nephew thinks it's just plain stupid, not hip and definitely not funny.

Arg! Sorry, had to vent.

wco81

11-Oct-2005, 03:24

I don't really get into the skits either but even the old TechTV tried to be "entertaining" when they did product reviews.

Their rationale is that all this product info and review could be found on the web by their audience. So they need to entertain and put telegenic chicks on camera.

Inane_Dork

11-Oct-2005, 04:38

Although he does have a point that its his opinion and his alone (although I don't agree with alot of what he said).Why do people act like they can say whatever and then add "IMO" on the end and everything's okay? Then if trouble comes it must be everyone else's fault? I hate that. Totally irresponsible and selfish.

IMO. :lol:

BlueTsunami

11-Oct-2005, 04:53

Why do people act like they can say whatever and then add "IMO" on the end and everything's okay? Then if trouble comes it must be everyone else's fault? I hate that. Totally irresponsible and selfish.

IMO. :lol:

Oh, I could care less that hes getting a backlash. Its one of those allusive "meh" moments. But yeah..the IMHO and IMO does get used alot. I think its more or less because people have gotten lynched for their opinion though. Although you still are responsible for what you say no matter what. I just think what the G4 dude said wasn't all that..funny.

Shifty Geezer

11-Oct-2005, 10:43

But yeah..the IMHO and IMO does get used alot.IMO is needed otherwise people think your stating facts.

"PS3 will sell for $500" versus "IMO PS3 will sell for $500"
"XB360 is a better console than PS3" versus "IMO XB360 is a better console than PS3"

There's nothing wrong with people having personal opinions, unless you think we should all just go along with what everyone else sees. The appropriate time to communicate those opinions is a different matter. eg. A Referee in a football match doesn't want to talk about "IMO Man U/Steelers deserve to win this match" as it sets his bias, and even if his referring is impartial people won't believe if he's expressed a personal bias.

Regards G4, best thing people can do is right to the sponsors, and write to the show saying they'll stop watching until the guy with the stupid comments is sacked (and stop watching). If hacing this guy on gets ratings, they'll keep him. If having him loses ratings, he'll go.