View Full Version : Sega to stop GameCube sports development
iscariot
20-Nov-2002, 22:28
sucks for Cube owners :(
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2898153,00.html
After announcing slumping financial results, Sega of Japan announces that it won't continue to develop sports games for all consoles.
Earlier today in Japan, Sega released its financial results for the last six months, which showed that its operating profit was down 20 percent from the previous year, with revenue down 3 percent. The company still posted a net profit of 1.01 billion yen (about $8 million). Sega said it has been harder than expected to become a cross-platform publisher, and that its initial plans to transition from its hardware-based model were overly optimistic.
A Dow Jones report said that Sega is focusing on improving profits in its "loss-making" sports game operations in the US, which Sega has had big hopes for. While Sega doesn't plan to back down from its fierce competition with Electronic Arts on other platforms, it will completely halt GameCube sports game development as of next year.
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Yeah I saw this on gamespot. Doesn't suprise me really... this isn't the console to buy if you're heavy into sports.
iscariot
20-Nov-2002, 23:03
yep, that's true...it was like that with the n 64 as well...
CaptainHowdy
21-Nov-2002, 02:16
and it sucks why? nobody was buying thier games on any platform..
should we miss something we never wanted in the first place?
It sucks because it's pushing Nintendo closer and closer to a niche/non-mainstream market.
If I were Nintendo, that'd really scare me. I'd want in with the big bucks in the mainstream too. :)
Definitely not good, hopefully not a sign of things to come, but considering its only Sega Sports and not the entire Sega lineup (Monkey Ball and Sonic etc. will stay at home on GC), GC should be fine. EA still releases their sports titles on GC AFAIK, so those few of the GC demographic who dig sport can at least get some decent titles (granted the Sega titles almost consitently offer better gameplay, but they're not getting the sales they'd deserve) for their enjoyment...
As for CaptainHowdy... :roll:
CaptainHowdy
21-Nov-2002, 03:19
In the press conference, Sega COO Tetsu Kayama mentioned that their major game titles will be going multi-platform in the future, such as Virtua Fighter and Sonic, in order to maximize sales. Sega is also considering porting certain platform exclusive titles to other console systems, such as some of the Xbox titles. The Sega Sports division has incurred deficits of 6.1 billion yen this term, but the team is recovered and continue to develop future sports titles.
- Furthermore, Sega mentioned they may cease development of sports titles for GameCube due to losses. However the decision is not yet finalized, because it seems the EA Sports series do not sell well in GameCube either.
- Namco announced the software sales for this term has increased by 64%, due to strong performance of Tekken 4 and Dead to Rights. Tekken 4 has sold 1.86 million copies in US, and Dead to rights has sold 1.83 copies in Europe.
- Japanese magazine reported that two major new game titles will be announced in Japan in early December. No manufacturers or systems have been announced yet.
that means Panzer Dragoon/Shenmue 2 and JSRF all coming to the cube, and the sports decision has not been made yet, just an idea, I would gladly trade a few NBA games that noone bought on any system for some decent games.
I doubt Shenmue 2 will, as it was published by MS.
Dead to Rights sold 1.83 million copies in Europe :o ?! I didn't think there were that many Xboxes there though ;) [and surely that's not PS2/Cube, as it JUST came out. That'd make it more successful than MGS2. I think this number is wrong]
I'm all for more Sega loving on the 'Box.. hopefully they'll put Live support in them too (VF4 drooooooool).
Man this is another big loss for Sega. Now EA will have GCN all to itself for sports games. Sega really does'nt need to make ANOTHER stupid decision. It would help if Sega would'nt actually release the GCN version of sports game TWO FREAKING WEEKS after the other two..and in one cse a whole month later.
What's not being highlighted is that Sega's projections missed the mark bigtime one ALL THREE CONSOLES. EA whipped thier ass. If Sega wants to make the GCN a scapegoat then it should reevaluate the other genres of game that have sold for SHIT on Xbox and a few (save for VF) on PS2.
In the press conference, Sega COO Tetsu that means Panzer Dragoon/Shenmue 2 and JSRF all coming to the cube, and the sports decision has not been made yet, just an idea, I would gladly trade a few NBA games that noone bought on any system for some decent games.
:lol:
You're kidding, right?
Where did it say that?
Did you seem to forget that MS paid big bucks to make Shenmue 2 exclusive, and is in fact its publisher?
JSRF is an older game now, I'd seriously doubt it'd move to the Cube. Maybe a JSRF sequel will be multiplatform, and maybe a PDO sequel...but not the originals. IMO of course.
Wheres' the link to this press release? I've checked IGN and Gspot.
edit: NM, found it.
Here's what Xen says about Namco:
Namco released its financial results for the fiscal half-year today, and projections for the full-year ending in March 2003. Specifically, Namco reported an operating profit of 3.26 billion yen on sales of 73.4 billion yen for the first half of the year, marking a 63 percent increase from the same period last year. During the period, Namco shipped an estimated 4.36 million copies of game software including 1.86 million of Tekken 4 for the PlayStation 2, and 1.83 million of Dead to Rights for the Xbox. Despite the success of the company's core game business however, Namco's peripheral enterprises including a restaurant chain and movie theaters posted losses of approximately 100 million yen. For the full fiscal year ending in March 2003, Namco projects an operating profit of 7.7 billion yen on sales of 158.8 billion yen.
SHIPPED, not sold. Still, I think that D2R number's off. Wasn't it only at ~130k in the US?
marconelly!
21-Nov-2002, 03:50
Tekken 4 has sold 1.86 million copies in US, and Dead to rights has sold 1.83 copies in Europe.
Shipping these amounts of games sounds stupendous... Were they really thinking that they will sell that much? Especially DtR.
Btw, I kinda doubt Sega will start porting all those old VF4, JSRF, Sonic 2 and other games. Perhaps they will do multi releases in the future, but they said it's not even yet decided.
Being an EA sports fan, this is good news!
An occasional game EA that might not have been released...due to a Sega version being available and combined with relatively few sports games players owning a Cube...now probably will be released!
PS2 definately owns for sports games though.
I would think it sucks for every sports fan on the GCN.
EA has no real competition on the platform, and can survive with shoddy ports...
CaptainHowdy
21-Nov-2002, 05:12
In the press conference, Sega COO Tetsu that means Panzer Dragoon/Shenmue 2 and JSRF all coming to the cube, and the sports decision has not been made yet, just an idea, I would gladly trade a few NBA games that noone bought on any system for some decent games.
:lol:
You're kidding, right?
Where did it say that?
Did you seem to forget that MS paid big bucks to make Shenmue 2 exclusive, and is in fact its publisher?
JSRF is an older game now, I'd seriously doubt it'd move to the Cube. Maybe a JSRF sequel will be multiplatform, and maybe a PDO sequel...but not the originals. IMO of course.
thats the report on The Magic box..
doesnt say WHICH games, just says Xbox exclusives from Sega will no longer be exclusive, but there are only so many Xbox Exclusive Sega games.. so you take your pick.
Sega was arrogant for their descision to go after EA as they did - and now they'll pay.
It's definatly unfortunate though, but they did it to themselves.
Arrogant, to think they can compete? Oh come on Vince. Sega is probably the only company that can compete in the sports market with EA. For the most part sports sales overall have been down from last year on all platforms. Probably the big reason is that this years titles aren't a big improvement over last years. Either way you look at it, even EA's titles have sold like crap on the cube. They may even limit their support, like they've done in the past with N64.
I think it's perfectly fine for sega to consider getting rid of platform exclusive titles next year. They've had lot's of exclusive PS2 games, lot's of exclusive Xbox games, and a few gamecube titles. On the Xbox, beyond panzer dragoon, I don't think thye had any more exclusives planned. Doesn't really matter anyway, becuase I don't think MS is worried about exclusive titlles for next year (they have lots).
CaptainHowdy
21-Nov-2002, 15:41
Arrogant, to think they can compete? Oh come on Vince. Sega is probably the only company that can compete in the sports market with EA. For the most part sports sales overall have been down from last year on all platforms. Probably the big reason is that this years titles aren't a big improvement over last years. Either way you look at it, even EA's titles have sold like crap on the cube. They may even limit their support, like they've done in the past with N64.
I think it's perfectly fine for sega to consider getting rid of platform exclusive titles next year. They've had lot's of exclusive PS2 games, lot's of exclusive Xbox games, and a few gamecube titles. On the Xbox, beyond panzer dragoon, I don't think thye had any more exclusives planned. Doesn't really matter anyway, becuase I don't think MS is worried about exclusive titlles for next year (they have lots).
if they could compete, they would have had some sales one would think? the sports games were already multiplatform, and did not sell on any of them.
Tagrineth
21-Nov-2002, 16:09
- Namco announced the software sales for this term has increased by 64%, due to strong performance of Tekken 4 and Dead to Rights. Tekken 4 has sold 1.86 million copies in US, and Dead to rights has sold 1.83 copies in Europe.
<joke>Wow! It's ALMOST sold twice!</joke>
I can't seem to find any sources supporting your statement that the Sega Xbox exclusives are supposed to go Multi-platform CaptainHowdy. The only Info I can find repeatedly is that Shinobi and Sonic (PS2 and GC exclusives till now) will go multiplatform, those are the only two titles I can find a mention of. As was stated elsewhere the cancelation of Sega Sports titles for GC doesn't seem to be confirmed yet, but is apparently being considered as almost certain...
edit: whoops, make that Virtua Fighter instead of Shinobi
edit2: did some more digging and I found a note saying that some not yet specified exclusives might be ported in the future, though there's no mentioning of any platform or title. So basically any exclusive could be ported in the future not only Xbox ones like you pointed out, which is a big difference. Maybe they're going completely multiplatform soon, would certainly be good for consumers, while MS and Nintendo might not be so happy to loose rare exclusives. Visually the exclusives (maybe except for PDO) don't seem to fully exploit any target platform's capabilities anyway...
When will Sega ever learn. Sega should have went second party first to PS2, before going third party eventually. But I hope they pull things together.
Cause I still want to see Shenmue ending, after that, I don't care what happend to them.
Brimstone
21-Nov-2002, 17:56
I think Sega released to many games to quickly. I mean the turnaround time from Dreamcast to going 3rd party and releasing games seemed to be very fast. I just think they should have allowed for more time creating games rather than trying to please stock holders in the short term.
Arrogant, to think they can compete? Oh come on Vince. Sega is probably the only company that can compete in the sports market with EA.
Arrogant because of the insane amount of rhetoric they injected into their 'little war' against EA. All their talk of defeating EA in X number of years and other such BS comments. They set themselves upto fail, and didn't disapoint.
For the most part sports sales overall have been down from last year on all platforms.
Q, common now. IIRC, EA's Madden2003 outsold the sega equivalent [2k3] by a factor of like 5 or 10. It's insane. Sega sports lost descisivly in every area they pitted themselves against EA in. You don't talk shit unless you can pull it off - they clearly did not.
Tagrineth
21-Nov-2002, 20:04
Brimstone: Most of 'em are ports. Now that they're just about out of old material to port :P they should slow down quite a bit.
Vince: Well Madden has the advantage of the sheer penetration of the Madden NAME. Good old Joe Schmo will be more likely to pick a game named after an old Am. Football hero and now announcer, than some no-name game (SEGA means nothing to Joe Schmo).
CaptainHowdy
21-Nov-2002, 20:16
Gollum, what i posted is on www.the-magicbox.com
Q, common now. IIRC, EA's Madden2003 outsold the sega equivalent [2k3] by a factor of like 5 or 10. It's insane. Sega sports lost descisivly in every area they pitted themselves against EA in. You don't talk shit unless you can pull it off - they clearly did not.
They lost in sales, the games themselves are almost consistently equal to or better than the competing EA offerings in most aspects, reviews often even gave them the edge. Questions is, will this quality ever be translated into sales in the US?
Thanks for the link Captain Howdy, that is the only place I found Xbox mentioned though, all other sources just mention exclusives, no word of any platform. We'll see what happens...
Johnny Awesome
21-Nov-2002, 22:28
Everyone here knows that I'm a big Sega supporter, but I agree with Vince on this one: Sega should have kept their mouth shut. Their plans were too ambitious this year.
They still managed to sell about 15% of the football and basketball titles, which is a decent start. They can build on this next year, but they should scale back their marketing accordingly.
A couple of my friends bought Madden 2003 on PS2, but when they played NFL2K3 on my Xbox for a while they told me they would be getting NFL2K4 next year on whatever system they had. Solid marketing (but not $18 million worth) and some decent word of mouth will help Sega slowly reach the mass market.
Well they cant reach mass market on two of three consoles..they need all three. I love Sega to but thier business decsions are dumbass somtimes. If i ran a video game company I'd want the business decisions of Nintendo, the marketing ideas of Sony and the money of MS.
Well they cant reach mass market on two of three consoles..they need all three. I love Sega to but thier business decsions are dumbass somtimes. If i ran a video game company I'd want the business decisions of Nintendo, the marketing ideas of Sony and the money of MS.
If Sega can't support GCN devlopment of their big sports titles on GCN then they deserve to just fold up and die as a company.
If you are porting a game between two platforms (PS2 and XBox), the development costs to move it to a third platform shouldn't be that significant. NBA 2k2 for example has sold around 60K on GCN. 60K isn't a large number of sales, but if Sega can't cover the costs of supporting a third platform based on 60K sales when the code base is already designed for multiplatform, they should just fold up shop and leave the gaming business.
What nfl2k game? or are sega assuming nobody in the uk would buy an american football game !!! grrr...... bit bloody "what sega sports games on gamecube" on this side of the pond :)
-dave-
must say i'm quite impressed with madden though,, except for the stupid memory card requirment... though thats solved with datels 64mb card :)
Vince, i don't agree it was "arrogant" at all to even think sega could compete with EA. It would be arrogant of EA to think that they will have no competition. Either way you look at it, console sports game sales are down this year. probably to so many eople buying sports games last year and not seeing a big difference between versions.
brayanb,
If Sega can't support GCN devlopment of their big sports titles on GCN then they deserve to just fold up and die as a company.
Now that's pretty harsh. it's more like if they continue to even bother with gamecube sports titles, they will fold up in die. the sports game market on game cube is VERY small as seen by EA sales and sega sports sales.
If you are porting a game between two platforms (PS2 and XBox), the development costs to move it to a third platform shouldn't be that significant.
...and how would you know this exactly? it's significant enough that if you're only going to move 30,000 units, it's not worth the time and money.
NBA 2k2 for example has sold around 60K on GCN. 60K isn't a large number of sales, but if Sega can't cover the costs of supporting a third platform based on 60K sales when the code base is already designed for multiplatform, they should just fold up shop and leave the gaming business.
That's just the thing. ALL the 2K2 games have sold better than the 2K3 games. To the point where they aren't going to make their money back on the gamecube ports. Your reaction sounds more like sour grapes then it does logical. EA has done the same thing in the past with the N64 and it wouldn't suprise me to see these games come out much later or not at all on gamecube.
Goldeni
Well they cant reach mass market on two of three consoles..they need all three. I love Sega to but thier business decsions are dumbass somtimes. If i ran a video game company I'd want the business decisions of Nintendo, the marketing ideas of Sony and the money of MS.
Well sure you can. If you concetrate you resources on two out of three platforms, you can then take advantage of that hardware even better. While concetrating on making the best possible games for the largest sports market buying population.
Then once you start getting better sales, you can reutn to the third platform once it's user base has increased in size.
Now that's pretty harsh. it's more like if they continue to even bother with gamecube sports titles, they will fold up in die.
They have more chance of folding up and dying from there continued support of XBox then if they continue to produce a few multi-platform sports games on GameCube.
Sega Sales from January 2002 to August 2002:
PS2:
Games sold = 944,000
Sports titles sold = 582,000
GameCube:
Games sold = 706,500
Sports titles sold = 136,500
XBox:
Games sold = 358,000
Sports titles sold = 228,000
The difference between sports game sales on XBox and GameCube isn't that significant when you consider that overall Sega sold twice as many games on GameCube then XBox.
Even with the poorer sports sales GameCube still has average sales per game of 78,500 in those 8 months while XBox has a average of only 51,142 per game in the same time period.. those are the sort of sales that can sink Sega.
Keeping the GameCube sports titles coming is worth it just to show support to GameCube. Because any big lack of support from Sega (like cutting off sports titles) could piss off the fans of there second biggest Platform!
BTW, I suppose if you think Sega should drop sports titles from GameCube you also think they should drop all none sports games from XBox? Because none sports games from sega on XBox only sold 130,000 in those 8 months. That's worse then sports title sales on GameCube
Teasy,
I'm not suprised to see you reply, since you always come to the cubes rescue. i'm going to make one comment about your argument and then reutrn to topic, since whenever you make posts like this, the thread quickly degenerates into something completely OFF topic. I'll put it in bold so you see it and actually read my response before cutting and pasting while trying to reply to everysentance.
You keep showing these numbers for the xbox (non sports) game sales and how poor they are. Well there's one factor you keep forgetting. That being that Microsoft paid for the development of those non sports (exclusive) titles. So there was minimum risk when it came to sega loosing money on the development costs. You're forgetting all the cash MS paid sega a while back for those titles. So while those games didn't sell well, they also didn't cost sega lot's of cash. So, if you want to use that as your argument for WHY sega should drop support of non sports titles for Xbox, go ahead. However, from a money making point of view you're argument doesn't hold much water.
I however am not going to continue discussing it beyond this post.
They have more chance of folding up and dying from there continued support of XBox then if they continue to produce a few multi-platform sports games on GameCube.
Once again you're completely missing the point. The sports market is HUGE, we're only talking about the sports games here. So showing total games sold is pointless when we're ONLY talking about the sports titles. The august numbers don't even reflect the current sales of the 2k3 sports titles from sega, so why bother?
Ya know, jsut as a reminder, I'd really like it if you could stay on topic when you respond. Instead of draggin this into another one of your "gamecube is better" arguments.
The difference between sports game sales on XBox and GameCube isn't that significant
For one thing, we're talking ONLY about sports titles here Teasy! Sega didn't say they were dropping ALL game support for cube! Only sports game support. Stick to the topic please.
Now, how can you say it's not significant when there's a 50% difference between the sports titles sold from Xbox to cube? Even still those numbers don't relfect the 2K3 sports titles where the sales on Gamecube are even "lower" than Xbox.
Keeping the GameCube sports titles coming is worth it just to show support to GameCube.
It's not "worth it" if those titles aren't selling and you have to pay for the ENTIRE costs of development! Showing "support" doesn't mean shit if the games don't make enough money to pay for the port.
Because any big lack of support from Sega (like cutting off sports titles) could piss off the fans of there second biggest Platform!
Second biggest platform where? In North America? Nope. In europe? That remains to be seen. No matter what way you look at it, Sega (a japanese company) has always done better appealing to the north american and european markets compared to japan. The sports market in Japan is tiny in comparrison to the other two regions. It's also why EA barely sells any sports titles inside of japan. The sports divisions of both companies are targetting Europe and North america for the most part. So leaving japan out of this equation makes perfect sense, and if japan is out of the picture, which console is the second biggest platform?
Now about pissing off gamecube fans, I'm onyl going to comment on this once since you won't like it. Working for a publisher i see lot's of titles and have a good idea of what most develoeprs are working on. We have a big dtabase with a few hundread develoeprs looking for publishers. It shows what tiles they are working on and what paltforms they are supporting. I can tell you right now, that Gamecube support from the majority of these developers are pretty minimal. For the most part you see PS2, Xbox, and sometimes PC, when they are working on multiplatform titles. Moving into 2003 and 2004, I think there's going to be a LOT of "pissed off" gamecube fans unfortunatly.
BTW, I suppose if you think Sega should drop sports titles from GameCube you also think they should drop all none sports games from XBox? Because none sports games from sega on XBox only sold 130,000 in those 8 months. That's worse then sports title sales on GameCube
You're completely missing the point! Did Sega say they were dropping non sports game support for xbox? No, they didn't. We're actually discussing the reasons WHY sega would do something like this, because it actually appears they are. I'm not interested in another "I'm just defending the gamecube" argument of yours. now when you're completely forgettig how much cash MS paid sega for the developement of those titles. Now back to reality, and back to topic please...
Vince: Well Madden has the advantage of the sheer penetration of the Madden NAME. Good old Joe Schmo will be more likely to pick a game named after an old Am. Football hero and now announcer, than some no-name game (SEGA means nothing to Joe Schmo).
Um, thats the point I was making. Sega was arrogant for the huge amount of rhetoric they put out their about overtaking EA in X year(s) and the imminent death of EA. It was a bullshit comment to begin with for the exact reason that you said.
Q,
How is it not arrogant to littlerly declare their own little vendetta against EA, claim that their death is imminent and then get utterly destroyed by EA? Maybe it pumped up a few of their fanboys, but How does that look to their investors? Arrogance is an understantment - and their finacial results bear this out.
Rodéric
23-Nov-2002, 22:36
I don't care I never bought, and don't plan to buy any sport title.
I find them completely stupid, except those which aren't realistic, those are funs, still never bought one.
selfish very own opinion.
Teasy,
Now about pissing off gamecube fans, I'm onyl going to comment on this once since you won't like it. Working for a publisher i see lot's of titles and have a good idea of what most develoeprs are working on. We have a big dtabase with a few hundread develoeprs looking for publishers. It shows what tiles they are working on and what paltforms they are supporting. I can tell you right now, that Gamecube support from the majority of these developers are pretty minimal. For the most part you see PS2, Xbox, and sometimes PC, when they are working on multiplatform titles. Moving into 2003 and 2004, I think there's going to be a LOT of "pissed off" gamecube fans unfortunatly.
This is the biggest load of bullshit that's been posted around here lately.
Oh, all knowing Qroach, why don't you share the names of these titles in 2003 or 2004 that won't be supporting the GC. Please open your big secret marketing database and tell us the names of these major gaming companies that have decided that they should only develop for the PS2, XBox or PC. Or does your database include the makers of games the likes of Kabuki Warriors, Bruce Lee, Blinx, etc.
The truth of the matter is that the GC has reasonably strong 3rd party support. 3rd party product (Spiderman, TimeSplitter 2, Sega's non-sports titles) will continue to sell on the GC cause there is money to be made. Its clear that the Japanese 3rd parties are supporting the GC more and more and fleeing the XBox platform as fast as they can.
Clashman
24-Nov-2002, 04:32
Simmer y'all...
:wink:
Magnum PI
24-Nov-2002, 09:19
after pissing contests, here are the pissing off contests!!
CaptainHowdy
24-Nov-2002, 12:53
Teasy,
Now about pissing off gamecube fans, I'm onyl going to comment on this once since you won't like it. Working for a publisher i see lot's of titles and have a good idea of what most develoeprs are working on. We have a big dtabase with a few hundread develoeprs looking for publishers. It shows what tiles they are working on and what paltforms they are supporting. I can tell you right now, that Gamecube support from the majority of these developers are pretty minimal. For the most part you see PS2, Xbox, and sometimes PC, when they are working on multiplatform titles. Moving into 2003 and 2004, I think there's going to be a LOT of "pissed off" gamecube fans unfortunatly.
This is the biggest load of bullshit that's been posted around here lately.
Oh, all knowing Qroach, why don't you share the names of these titles in 2003 or 2004 that won't be supporting the GC. Please open your big secret marketing database and tell us the names of these major gaming companies that have decided that they should only develop for the PS2, XBox or PC. Or does your database include the makers of games the likes of Kabuki Warriors, Bruce Lee, Blinx, etc.
The truth of the matter is that the GC has reasonably strong 3rd party support. 3rd party product (Spiderman, TimeSplitter 2, Sega's non-sports titles) will continue to sell on the GC cause there is money to be made. Its clear that the Japanese 3rd parties are supporting the GC more and more and fleeing the XBox platform as fast as they can.
check out Jaleco entertainment page, hehe, from the list of upcoming titles that COME THROUGH QUINCEY, which are we gonna miss, the Bubble Bobble ripoff? Trailor Park Tycoon(suitable for the target audience), the sequel to Nightcaster? any game that comes though Q's publishing company I personally can live without, its a joke. Not a single original thought in the entire bunch.
Funny how you left out Fighter ace the WWI combat flight game and MMORPG. Super bubble pop is quite a fun game developed by Runecraft. You also don't know about some of the other big titles we're working on for next year.
Those are only the titles for this year you've seen. I just produced what i was told to work on, and you ALSO don't understand the politics behind the development of the internal titles for this year (and will never know becuase I'm not going to air dirty laundry to the likes of you). All the rest of the projects moving forward into 2003 and 3004 we're hand picking from a bunch of good titles, and there's some really good stuff out there you haven't heard or seen anything about.
As I said before captainhowdy, you can kiss my you know what for all I care. You're nothing but a troll/fanboy that can't see straight i love the way you continue to try and discredit what I'm saying by trying everything possible. You know what? it doesn't work and I could care less. If you don't like what I said, or what other people are saying about gamecube, you can also go over to ign and voice your displeasure to Hil, Tal/Fran .
Bryanb
This is the biggest load of bullshit that's been posted around here lately.
Well, i knew the fanboys would like hearing somehting like that but it's the truth. lot's of companies making games down the road aren't including gamecube when they do multiplatform. It's a fact, ok? I'm not trying to Bullshit you. This is why even people at IGN are writting articles like "the nintendo difference. They are starting to see just what is going on. people that promote games are seeing the same thing.
Oh, all knowing Qroach, why don't you share the names of these titles in 2003 or 2004 that won't be supporting the GC.
Oh grow up. I'm not going to share the names of anything that hasn't been officially annouced (which is EVERYTHING we're looking at). Not like it would matter, the fanboys come out of the wood work. hey, we're looking for games that are on all platforms and good ones too. However outside of the big developement houses, you'll rarely see developers handle all three versions. That's not to say as a publisher, we can't pay someone else to have something ported, but that's another story.
cybamerc
24-Nov-2002, 13:25
CaptainHowdy:
You shouldn't insult Quincy's work or the company he works for. There's no reason to go that low. Especially when Quincy's person is much more suited (and might I add, justified) target.
Quincy:
When are we going to get more inside dirt from your pal Mark Johnston? The anticipation has been killing me!
you shouldn't insult Quincy's work or the company he works for. There's no reason to go that low. Especially when Quincy's person is much more suited (and might I add, justified) target.
I'm not quite sure what you meant there. more suited and justified? was that an insult or compliment? ;)
Anyway, he wrote me back on Thursday, I completely forgot about the mail I sent to him. He basically says that metroid runs at 60fps. well, I'll just post what he wrote in from e-mail.
"Well we worked pretty damn hard to fit everything into that system, and at that 60fps!! But performance is really a perception thing, so in that regard there’s still room for improvement and use of different styles and effects to push the system in different ways. Awesome machine though, and the graphics chip is kick ass."
"Glad to hear you don’t want a free copy because we only got one ourselves! The rest we have to pay $39US for, which is the retail price I’m sure. Bah!"
"Other GM folk? Well Mike Sneath is still here and liking it. Bryce Cochrane went back to EAC, I think as Art Director on FIFA. Tom Papadatos went to Acclaim Austin. And I think that’s all the crew."
As you can see, I didn't get very much dirt for him. He's not one for big e-mail chatting really. he's a bit of a tough guy to work with, but I seemed to get along with him fine. Very talented programmer (he got the EA most valuable employee a few years back and tey had 500 employees at that time). He's also a fucking huge dude. he used tio play hockey while at EA for the sole purpose of injuring people, and did too...
cybamerc
24-Nov-2002, 13:40
Qroach:
> I'm not quite sure what you meant there. more suited and justified?
> was that an insult or compliment?
What I mean is that I have no problems with ppl having issues with you as a person but bringing your work into the discussion is unnecessary and quite frankly lame. Developer bashing is a big no-no in my book.
Interesting e-mail.
oh ok, i totally agree with you. some of the guys here are so blinded that they can't discuss anything in a manner that doesn't resort to attacks. one of the way to attack is by talking about what I do or where I work, when they honestly don't have an idea of the situation. I hate that... if they don't like me personally then fine, but they don't know me personally honestly. I'm one of the esiest people to get along with, you can ask anyone that has worked with me. I will however, NOT be nice to those people that cannot return the favour.
Anyway, yeah it was really good hearing from Mark. I'm going to send sneaky Sneath an e-mail to see how he's doing. ya, know it's such a big & small development community. Everyone knows everybody else. Our PR person for super bubble pop "J Moon" is the person tha help found retro and got me marks e-mail address (I lost it about a year back). it's amazing how we know all the same people...
hey did you see the recent everquest video from IGN? the guy int eh video John Blakely was once my boss a few years back. He's a really good guy.
Considering people are buying GC for Nintendo games (or really big exclusive titles like RE or FF), I see it as a very tough market for little noname publishers. That could be a reason enough to stop developing on the GC. The question is not how many developers are on the Gc ? , but do its public really care about anything not nintendo ??
personally, I would not.
Rodéric
24-Nov-2002, 17:08
I'm not sure that many people are buying a GameCube for NINTENDO games.
NINTENDO games are great for sure, but most other games are good too.
The true question is:
How many people having a GameCube are interested in sports games ?
I already said I'm not.
Rodéric
24-Nov-2002, 17:11
-* Double post... first time this year *-
CaptainHowdy
24-Nov-2002, 17:52
my point is, he fancys himself high and mighty, and his tastes are all that matter.. trying to use his developer status to back up every pile of shit that comes out of his mouth(and now he is going as far as to pretend he isnt biased against Nintendo because he owns one). All I am saying is, when your putting out games so shitty even acclaim would laugh at you, you have no business trying to discredit a polished amazing game like Metroid Prime.. because as far as I am concerned, your not capable of making something so grand... sure bubble pop is fun.. it was more fun when it was called bust a move, your company looks like the Puff Daddy of Gaming.. guess its called sampling still?
and no Q, Im not a troll, I dont go into threads putting down something for no reason, I currently have no problems with any console(PS2 may be ugly, but it has great games, and XBox finally got a game library worth looking into), I just dont stand by while you lie out your ass to put down Nintendo in any way you can.. its called being an anti-troll... you can deny it all you want, your reputation is pretty well known for being an MS Zealot.
what are you accusing him of lying about Captain?
Who tried to discredit metroid pirme?
I didn't try to discredti the game at all. See, this is why there's very few people that will listen to you! You don't even know what you're accusing me of. Some of the people here can actually see the forrest for the trees. Yes you are a troll. all you do is argue anything that sounds even remotely realistic for nitnendo. You can't look at the picture clearly. Here's I'll quote you in my last sentacne to you.
"you can deny it all you want, your reputation is pretty well known for being an" nitnendo Zealot. :roll: I'm just going to ignore you the rest of this thread because you're wasting everyones time.
CaptainHowdy
24-Nov-2002, 19:17
I luvs me some Nitnendo, I'll ignore tyou too..
why dont you do everyone a favor and ignore any Nintendo based
thread, because even if you can't find something Negative
about it, you will just make up something.
Captain howdy,
~Ignored~
BS filter enabled :)
Yeah the precognizant bs filter. I own the rights to that one.
hmmm, can I license them from you perhaps? :D
cybamerc
24-Nov-2002, 23:15
CaptainHowdy:
I don't necessarilly disagree with you (in fact I've brought up similar complaints elsewhere on this board) but I don't think it's appropriate to bring work related stuff into the discussion. Yes, Quincy is a fanboy. Yes, his comments often defy all logic. But I don't see how it relates to his work place.
Ozymandis
24-Nov-2002, 23:43
Captain Howdy, did you used to go by the name "misfit" on the old board?
I'm not suprised to see you reply, since you always come to the cubes rescue. i'm going to make one comment about your argument and then reutrn to topic, since whenever you make posts like this, the thread quickly degenerates into something completely OFF topic. I'll put it in bold so you see it and actually read my response before cutting and pasting while trying to reply to everysentance.
You claim I always defend Nintendo when the only reason your posting is to defend MS. Then you whine on about how I take things off topic in a paragraph that IS totally off topic. Quincy, your a clown mate, but never mind, I enjoy the show anyway :)
You keep showing these numbers for the xbox (non sports) game sales and how poor they are. Well there's one factor you keep forgetting. That being that Microsoft paid for the development of those non sports (exclusive) titles. So there was minimum risk when it came to sega loosing money on the development costs. You're forgetting all the cash MS paid sega a while back for those titles. So while those games didn't sell well, they also didn't cost sega lot's of cash. So, if you want to use that as your argument for WHY sega should drop support of non sports titles for Xbox, go ahead. However, from a money making point of view you're argument doesn't hold much water.
I keep showing these numbers do I? Care to show me where else I showed these numbers? Honestly Quincy, if you have nothing to say then just don't say anything, no need to make things up.
Also try to take your own advice and read before replying. I did not say Sega should drop non sports games support for XBox. I said continuing to support XBox is more likely to kill them then producing a few poorly selling sports games ported from PS2 onto GC. I also ASKED if you believe they should drop XBox non sport game support since they're selling even worse then sports games on GC.
You could have simply answered my question, mentioning the money hats MS throw at Sega for there XBox support. Then I could have said "Good point" instead of having to correct you. However I would still have mentioned that being paid by MS to have some of there best titles do terribly in sales exclusively on XBox isn't going to make Sega a massive company again.. if they want respect they need there best titles to sell. At least the poorly selling titles on GC are only multi-platform games and not exclusives.
Once again you're completely missing the point. The sports market is HUGE, we're only talking about the sports games here. So showing total games sold is pointless when we're ONLY talking about the sports titles. The august numbers don't even reflect the current sales of the 2k3 sports titles from sega, so why bother?
Oh really? I wasn't aware that its your job to decide exactly what everyone has to talk about. Once again, total sales is relivant because as long as Sega is making a hell of allot of money from GameCube development, and selling a hell of allot of games on GameCube, a couple of poor selling games isn't going to hurt them. All its going to do is show they have broad support for GameCube, which placates GameCube fans, which is always a good thing when that is your second biggest platform.
Ya know, jsut as a reminder, I'd really like it if you could stay on topic when you respond. Instead of draggin this into another one of your "gamecube is better" arguments.
You mean like you've stayed on topic in this post? Whining about how I always defend GameCube rather then just getting on with the discussion. If I've gone off topic in this thread its only to reply to your totally off topic comments.
For one thing, we're talking ONLY about sports titles here Teasy! Sega didn't say they were dropping ALL game support for cube! Only sports game support. Stick to the topic please.
We are not only talking about sports games, we are talking about sports games and anything else relivant to that. Like for instance keeping sports game support for GameCube as not to piss off your second biggest market.
Now, how can you say it's not significant when there's a 50% difference between the sports titles sold from Xbox to cube? Even still those numbers don't relfect the 2K3 sports titles where the sales on Gamecube are even "lower" than Xbox.
Its not significant considering Sega's overall extremely successful GameCube sales. If keeping sports support helps keep up those great sales by placating fans its well worth doing. Just like your opinion that its well worth supporting a system thats selling horribly overall for your games as long as it keeps MS's payments coming... its a similar argument.
It's not "worth it" if those titles aren't selling and you have to pay for the ENTIRE costs of development! Showing "support" doesn't mean shit if the games don't make enough money to pay for the port.
You really haven't even read what I'm saying. Either that or your not grasping it. Two scenario's
1: Sega show GameCube good support (which includes sports titles) - GameCube fans keep buying Sega games just as they are now - Sega make loads of money.
2: Sega drop all sports support from GameCube - That pisses off GameCube fans - that weakens Sega sales on GameCube - Sega lose allot of money overall to save a very small amount (if any since the sports games may even be braking even) on a couple of sports game ports.
Second biggest platform where? In North America? Nope. In europe? That remains to be seen. No matter what way you look at it, Sega (a japanese company) has always done better appealing to the north american and european markets compared to japan. The sports market in Japan is tiny in comparrison to the other two regions. It's also why EA barely sells any sports titles inside of japan. The sports divisions of both companies are targetting Europe and North america for the most part. So leaving japan out of this equation makes perfect sense, and if japan is out of the picture, which console is the second biggest platform?
*Sigh*
Where does userbase come into this? Did you not look at the Sega sales numbers? PS2 with just over 900,000 Sega games sold, GC with just over 700,000 and XBox with a lowly 300,000+. Now which platform is Sega's second biggest?.. you tell me.
Now about pissing off gamecube fans, I'm onyl going to comment on this once since you won't like it. Working for a publisher i see lot's of titles and have a good idea of what most develoeprs are working on. We have a big dtabase with a few hundread develoeprs looking for publishers. It shows what tiles they are working on and what paltforms they are supporting. I can tell you right now, that Gamecube support from the majority of these developers are pretty minimal. For the most part you see PS2, Xbox, and sometimes PC, when they are working on multiplatform titles. Moving into 2003 and 2004, I think there's going to be a LOT of "pissed off" gamecube fans unfortunatly.
Number one, what the hell has this got to do with my point on Sega keeping their second biggest platform happy with continued sports support?
Number two.. I wondered how long it would take you to play the "I work for a developer yada yada yada" card. Change the record Quincy, and keep your heresay and second hand 'evidence' to yourself.
I actually see a allot of titles announced right now for PS2 and GC and not XBox, just as many as are announced for PS2 and XBox but not GameCube. I don't need a fictional developer list to see that. But do you see me yaking on about it just to try to change the subject?
You're completely missing the point! Did Sega say they were dropping non sports game support for xbox? No, they didn't. We're actually discussing the reasons WHY sega would do something like this, because it actually appears they are. I'm not interested in another "I'm just defending the gamecube" argument of yours. now when you're completely forgettig how much cash MS paid sega for the developement of those titles. Now back to reality, and back to topic please...
I am not even talking about the first post in this thread, if you didn't notice I was replying to something you said. So I suppose that means your missing the point then ;)
P.S. I look forward to you braking your word on that being your last reply to me in this thread :) And if you don't brake your word, then I look forward to the peice and quiet even more.
Teasy, you can't even remember what you said at the start of this thread to even continue replying. I'm not going to go back and point out what should be obvious to you. You and your buddy Captain can go give each other a hug for all I care. Since you seem to want to stick together and all... Have fun!
heaven forbid that anyone out ther eknow alittle mroe about the game industry than Teasy. You've demostrated your knowledge quite well. I'm sure you'll follow this post up with another nonsense Teasy style posting.
...and btw, don't think i'm going to keep anything to myself unless I feel like it. a year form now, we can do the "I told you so" if that's what you're after. Anyway, i'm going to go back to enjoying some video games i think it's something you SERIOUSLY need to try.
Captain Howdy, did you used to go by the name "misfit" on the old board?
Yeah Ozy, same band (Shades of Me)
CaptainHowdy
25-Nov-2002, 00:21
CaptainHowdy:
I don't necessarilly disagree with you (in fact I've brought up similar complaints elsewhere on this board) but I don't think it's appropriate to bring work related stuff into the discussion. Yes, Quincy is a <bleep>. Yes, his comments often defy all logic. But I don't see how it relates to his work place.
because now he claims he sees all the third party games coming in and where they are going, like he can see the entire lineup for every console, and I am sorry, but his company puts out the kind of games you find in a bin at K-mart, I have a hard time believing he sees any games of any real stature coming by his desk. He has no idea what third parties have in store for Nintendo like he was pretending to, and as for me, I could care less about anything Jaleco puts out, os sure, his mainly PC company may not have anything in store for Nintendo, but should I care? and how does this reflect companys that actually make good games?
his mainly PC company
This is just what I was saying about not knowing what you are talking about. Perhaps you should keep your commetns to yourself when you don't know what you're talking about.
PC-Engine
25-Nov-2002, 00:40
I think you guys should end this nonsense right here and now :x
CaptainHowdy, you do have a point, but lets not trash Jaleco just because Quincy works for them. I like some of Jaleco's arcade games and they're the ones behind the ATOMISWAVE system :D
It's unfortunate that Jaleco Japan and VR1 are under one roof now, but what can we do? :roll:
Edit: Correction Sammy not Jaleco is the company behind ATOMISWAVE :oops:
Teasy, you can't even remember what you said at the start of this thread to even continue replying. I'm not going to go back and point out what should be obvious to you.
You mean you have nothing to say so your babbling? Why not just say so?
You and your buddy Captain can go give each other a hug for all I care. Since you seem to want to stick together and all... Have fun!
So far I haven't even mentioned CaptainHowdy in any of my posts and he hasn't mentioned me AFAIK, nor are we even arguing the same things AFAICS. But then I wouldn't expect any sort of facts or logic to get in the way of any of your comments.
heaven forbid that anyone out ther eknow alittle mroe about the game industry than Teasy. You've demostrated your knowledge quite well. I'm sure you'll follow this post up with another nonsense Teasy style posting.
Oh I have no problem if someone out "ther eknows alittle mroe" about the game industry then me. I only have problems with people like you. Frankly Quincy, you could be a janitor at a game developer for all I know. God knows you've never given me any reason to believe otherwise. So why don't you just stop hiding behind this "I'm a developer" thing? I don't even care if you are a developer, just stop hiding behind it.
...and btw, don't think i'm going to keep anything to myself unless I feel like it. a year form now, we can do the "I told you so" if that's what you're after. Anyway, i'm going to go back to enjoying some video games i think it's something you SERIOUSLY need to try.
I don't care what you do or don't keep to yourself. You were the one who said, in your last post, that you wouldn't be replying to me anymore in this thread. Now your replying to me, well done for making a fool of yourself once again.
As for playing video games, I play plenty of games and always have. At least I don't pretend to have a GameCube so I can say that the one game on the system from the newely MS aquired Rare is wonderful and every other games is poor. Yes we know about that Quincy.. your so transparent ;)
Oh and well done for once again being completely off topic instead of actually discussing any of the relivant points I brought up.
You mean you have nothing to say so your babbling? Why not just say so?
:roll: whatever teasy.
So far I haven't even mention CaptainHowdy in any of my posts and he hasn't mentioned me, nor are we even arguing the same things AFAICS. But then I wouldn't expect any sort of facts or logic to get in the way of any of your comments. Quincy, you are the single most pathetic fan-boy/troll I have ever had the mis-fortune of talking to on these forums.
Teasy, you simply can't see the simularities in anything. You both resorted to commenting about my job in a pretty lame way. yet again, somehting obvious needs to be explained to you. you and Captain are most pathetic fan-boy/trolls I/we have ever had the mis-fortune of talking to on these forums. There ya go right back at you.
Oh I have no problem if someone out "ther eknows alittle mroe" about the game industry then me I only have problems with people like you. Frankly Quincy, you could be a janitor at a game developer for all I know. Infact you could be a tramp who hangs about an internet cafe for all I know. God knows you've never given me any reason to believe otherwise. So why don't you just stop hiding behind this "I'm a developer" thing? I don't even care if you are a developer, just stop hiding behind it.
See, you and captain both share the same opinion. No wonder you're both buddies... pathetic.
As for playing video games, I play plenty of games and always have. At least I don't pretend to have a GameCube so I can say that the one game on the system from the newely MS aquired Rare is wonderful and every other games is poor. Yes we know about that Quincy.. your so transparent
This comment of your shows how extremly how lame you are. Now all of a sudden I never bought a gamecube? nice reasoning. I didn't spend 400 plus dollars just to make YOU happy. Mr, I'm 21 years old (or however old you are) you seriously need to grow up.
Teasy, you simply can't see the simularities in anything. You both resorted to commenting about my job in a pretty lame way. yet again
Now you claim I'm somehow in league with CaptainHowdy just because we both mentioned something to do with your job. We didn't even mention the same thing about your job, nor did we back each other up in anyway. You truely are ludicrous man!
you and Captain are most pathetic fan-boy/trolls I/we have ever had the mis-fortune of talking to on these forums.
We?.. how many personalities do you have exactly?
See, you and captain both share the same opinion. No wonder you're both buddies... pathetic.
Weakest argument ever!
This comment of your shows how extremly how lame you are. Now all of a sudden I never bought a gamecube? nice reasoning. I didn't spend 400 plus dollars just to make YOU happy.
Can you seriously blame anyone for calling into question your claim that you own a GameCube?
Mr, I'm 21 years old (or however old you are) you seriously need to grow up.
What does my age have to do with anything? Are you ill or something?
Can you seriously blame anyone for calling into question your claim that you own a GameCube?
Only a fool would bother. Fitting, how someone as immature as yourself is doing that.
What does my age of 21 have to do with anything?
You're immature. looking at you're repsonses above makes me seriously laugh. grow up.
You seriously laughed did you? I have no idea how anyone could seriously laugh. I tend to just either be serious, or laugh, I've never tried both at the same time ;)
Age has little to do with maturity, maybe if you were more mature youself you'd know that.
Age has little to do with maturity, maybe if you were more mature youself you'd know that.
Age has a lot to do with maturity, something you won't realize until you're older. You're not the person around here that should be giving lesson in maturity to anyone.
You know, the really sad thing here, Quincy, is that playing the "I'm older then you so I must be more mature" card is in fact a very immature thing to do. Its the sort of thing I'd expect from someone who's immature for their age. So instead of showing their maturity, or lack of it, they hold up their age as if its some sort of maturity qualification. I've got some news for you Quincy, you can be pretty much any age and still be immature. What your doing here is just yet another thing for you to hide behind, just like your "I'm a developer" comment that comes out in any thread when you think your losing an argument.
Honestly, look back at this thread, read some of the childish things you've said then come back and tell me your a mature person.
Oh and before you start, I'm not even claiming I'm a particularly mature person, I'm not immature enough to believe that ;)
CaptainHowdy
25-Nov-2002, 15:27
actually Q, your the one who brought your job into it..
not a direct quote because I am too lazy to go back and cut it all, but basically, a convo with you goes something like this..
"In my job, I get to see what everyone is doing, I know everyone, the makers of XXX game I had lunch with last week, and they said Nintendo is highly over-rated.."
"at my job I see XXX titles come across my desk, I have seen whats coming to all consoles, and your going to be really upset when you see what really comes(even though Nintendo makes even its upcoming third party titles remain secret until not more than a year from release, they wanted a copy of Trailor Park Tycoon bad, so they give me this information that noone else in the world has, I am all knowing.. and dont use the word black, I happen to be black, so its a bad word..)"
"I talked to an old buddy of mine who works for Retro, he says the reviews are stupid, the game did not deserve it...just look..
Uhm, why are you emailing me again?
go away or I will call the cops, I dont care about
your anti-Nintendo crusade, the restraining order
clearly states NO CONTACT... Now please let me
get back to work, some of us have good games to
make, and by the way, are you not a dev? I know I
barely have time to wipe my own backside some days,
how is it you go for years with nothing but time to waste
on those forums subtly bashing Nintendo? I know I dont have
time like that to waste, in fact, I dont know a single dev who
does.
Sincerely,
Tom Jones
Head Developer
Retro Studios."
And another thread bites the dust... last I checked this was still the Console Talk Forum, not the endless Saga of Teasy vs. Quincy. You two are fighting like an old married couple! Can't you both just learn to ignore each other when it comes to specific differences in opinion and stop turning every other thread into a pointless example of how good you are at quoting each others posts?!! Neither of you is innocent or was dragged into this against his will, it always takes two to start an argument. One should excpect that after a cuople of years you'd be able to accept the fact that someone else just sees certain issues differently, but no - your ability to continuously fight over miniscule details is as amazing as it is annoying! :x
I agree with you Gollum. i wanted to keep this thread on topic as much as I could, but you saw what happens. I'll try, but just watch how it won't stop the anoying reponses and attacks from the amazing BS brothers (Teasy and captain) at all.
I've already added Captain to my ignore list. He's a fool and he's dragging teasy down with him.
CaptainHowdy
25-Nov-2002, 17:46
yea, its all mine and teasys fault...
666 posts Q..how suitable....
CaptainHowdy
25-Nov-2002, 19:12
only had one point to that post Q, just catching you in ANOTHER lie....
thought I was on ignore...thanks, have a nice day.
just a little test to see how quickly you will throw in a lie
to make yourself look credible.
What part of "grow up" do you not understand.
CaptainHowdy
25-Nov-2002, 21:23
the part where I am supposed to give a rats ass what you say.
This thread has run it's course.
I agree with you Gollum. i wanted to keep this thread on topic as much as I could, but you saw what happens. I'll try, but just watch how it won't stop the anoying reponses and attacks from the amazing BS brothers (Teasy and captain) at all.
You wanted to keep this on topic did you did you? After my first post in this topic, a totally on topic and uninflamitory post I might add, what was your first words in your responding post? Why don't you read them again:
I'm not suprised to see you reply, since you always come to the cubes rescue. i'm going to make one comment about your argument and then reutrn to topic, since whenever you make posts like this, the thread quickly degenerates into something completely OFF topic. I'll put it in bold so you see it and actually read my response before cutting and pasting while trying to reply to everysentance.
So who took this thread off topic again? Who was the one that, instead of just responding to the points I brought up, chose to attempt to insult me?
Gollum, its unfortunate I agree. In many threads were Quincy has tried to start one of these insult throwing matches, I've simply left the thread. Because I know that while I'm there he won't be far behind me. I've done that in one or two threads lately. But sorry man, I'm finished walking away from his bull shit.
iscariot
24-Jan-2003, 01:27
and so it begins :(
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2909525,00.html
Sega's next baseball game won't be coming to Nintendo's console.
Citing delays in the development cycle, Sega Sports representatives confirmed today that its upcoming baseball game, World Series Baseball 2K3, won't be coming to the Nintendo GameCube this year. Xbox and PlayStation 2 versions of the game are still on track to ship this March.
It's a shame, especially about World Series Baseball 2K3, since that's the one title from the Visual Concepts line-up (outsourced to Blue Shift, I know) that the Cube still needed. But, after seeing some of the recent SEGA Sports GameCube sales this December, I'm really feeling for both sides right now.
And, it doesn't seem like anything is helping SEGA's stock price currently... could be a time of change coming soon.
No, it's "so it ends" ha!
But seriously, I can't fault Sega. Acclaim's got the baseball market pretty tied up with ASB series. It's prolly not as big a seller as EA's but a very good seller across all platforms nonetheless. And critically acclaimed (pun intended).
EA has really demolished Sega in 2002. If I'm Sega I stick with the formula that has brought me success on the GCN. Sonic, SMB, PSO and adventure series etc.
of course it might have helped Sega if they actually gave the development job to experieinced devleopers rather than summer interns from the local high school computer science class. :roll: GameCube always got the shaft from Sega Sports, and so GC gamers give Sega Sports the shaft by choosing EA instead. and Sega is surprised? Just blame Nintendo! yea that's the tivket! :roll:
it's amazing how much better a game can be (and sell) if it is developed by someone who actually gives a damn.
Quaid:
of course it might have helped Sega if they actually gave the development job to experieinced devleopers rather than summer interns from the local high school computer science class. GameCube always got the shaft from Sega Sports, and so GC gamers give Sega Sports the shaft by choosing EA instead. and Sega is surprised? Just blame Nintendo! yea that's the tivket!
it's amazing how much better a game can be (and sell) if it is developed by someone who actually gives a damn.
So SEGA develops the best playing and looking GameCube sports games all around, and they're the ones giving the GameCube audience the shaft?
You do know that the GameCube versions of the SEGA Sports games came out a week later in some of those cases because Nintendo took longer to approve them then Sony and Microsoft did, right?
You do know that third parties won't often push to get online functionality in a title for a console where the manufacturer isn't making a big online push themselves for their own console, right? If Nintendo can't assure the third party that they're committed to distributing and pushing ample supply of network adapters, third parties don't want to waste the development efforts of pioneering the market themselves and including online support. Sonic Team did Nintendo a big favor by constantly pushing them to even have one online title in Phantasy Star Online, and it took many months to get Nintendo ready for them to release.
It also doesn't help that sports sales on GameCube for any company haven't been great, and have been the lowest of the 4 consoles (even including Dreamcast).
Don't you just hate it when the very company you work for is at odds with each other. Blaming the sports department for the decrease in profits really isn't the smartest thing to do. A resigning Peter Moore saw the whole thing I'm sure.
What SEGA needs to do is concentrate more on markets that are going to be profitable for it. If that means stopping many of the Xbox eclusives then I'm all for it. The company would be a lot more profitable if it put more of its funding into the PS2.
There's also the problem of the funding of certain hardware R&D projects. But then again, SEGA is supposed to be a software only company.......yeah right.
Right. How silly of Sega to drop hardware and immediately throw so many resources behind the fledgling Xbox. Then spread itself so thin with several projects for all systems. The damn company should have made PS2 its focus immediately after discontinuing Dreamcast - to get back on track financially most quickly.
It's questionable decisions like these that caused Sega's fall in the first place.
Kolgar
So SEGA develops the best playing and looking GameCube sports games all around, and they're the ones giving the GameCube audience the shaft?
thats the problem - they DONT have the best looking and playing sports games on the GameCube. EA does. The quality of ports for the Sega Sports games on the GameCube is noticeably several notches below the PS2 and Xbox counterparts. and hardware power / online play has nothing to do with it. the games are just crap. the developers didn't give a rats ass. so naturally, neither did the players.
You do know that the GameCube versions of the SEGA Sports games came out a week later in some of those cases because Nintendo took longer to approve them then Sony and Microsoft did, right?
if they didnt suck so bad, they might get approved quicker. EA isnt having any problems getting it right.
You do know that third parties won't often push to get online functionality in a title for a console where the manufacturer isn't making a big online push themselves for their own console, right?
again, online or not online isnt the problem - its just crappy ports. even if they were online, they would just be crappy ports, online. EA's sports games are just fine even though they arent online with GameCube.
It also doesn't help that sports sales on GameCube for any company haven't been great, and have been the lowest of the 4 consoles (even including Dreamcast).
I'm not sure where you are geting this from. EA's sales havent been that bad on GameCube. not anywhere in the range od PS2, but that's to be expected. still, EA isnt about to quit GC support, especially now that there is no competition there. EA Sports never supported Dreamcast, so its not possible that the GC sales would be lower than that.
Sega Sports, yea maybe the GC sales are lower than Dreamcast, but then again, Sega *gave a sh!t* about the Dreamcast verions of there games, and there were actually good on there. That was back when Sega Sports was giving EA a smackdown. Infact, I would even say that the GameCube versions of the Sega Sports games are *not* as good as the Dreamcast versions. thats how little they care about GameCube, and thats why nobody buys that crap.
Dont get me wrong, I used to be a huge fan of Sega Sports. Kolgar can back me up on this. I would never buy any EA Sports game when there was an alternate Sega Sports game to buy instead. I had all of them for the Dreamcast. but they have gotten complacent while EA has made big improvements. They make sloppy ports while EA works hard. and now we are seeing the results.
CaptainHowdy
27-Jan-2003, 19:50
Yup, whats sad, on my GC, the only sports title I own is a Midway title (NHL Hitz 2k2 for $10...hey, its a fun game)
iscariot
07-Feb-2003, 22:00
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2910518,00.html
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Sega will no longer release its sports games for Nintendo's console.
Sega of America has officially announced that it will no longer produce Sega Sports games for the Nintendo GameCube. The company will instead focus its efforts on bringing sports games to the PlayStation 2 and the Xbox at the start of each season.
"Sega has been evaluating its resources and product lineup to ensure it is bringing the right games to the right platforms as the company builds toward becoming a profitable, independent content publisher," a Sega of America representative said. "After careful examination, Sega has made the strategic decision to support the Nintendo GameCube with a priority on delivering its leading entertainment properties such as Sonic the Hedgehog and Super Monkey Ball, proven franchises which have been top sellers on the system. Sega will focus its sports development resources on delivering its Sega Sports games to the PlayStation 2 and Xbox on time at the start of each season. Sega is committed to the Nintendo GameCube and will continue to support the platform with its leading entertainment properties, including the recently announced Sonic Adventure DX, as well as many other titles yet to be announced."
This announcement comes on the heels of Sega's recent decision to cancel World Series Baseball 2K3 for the system
guess that's the grand finale...
good news is EA mentioned continued GC support as well as online play for the console.
Well if the choice were between Super Monkey Ball and a '2K' sports game, I'd chose SMB game any time of the week. Not too many ppl will miss 2K's on the Cube.
Where did you read that EA news you montioned?
iscariot
08-Feb-2003, 02:43
agree 100% about SMB, some of the best multiplayer games I've ever played. I read this on EA at the GA forum.
"This is from the new EDGE, in an article about GameSpy, the company providing online middleware tools for PS2 and GameCube.
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Interestingly GameSpy was quick off the mark with PS2, sporting online options for US players of Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 back in 2001. "A large portion of our technology businesss will come from delivering PS2 solutions - we are the clear leader in this space." predicts Surfas, adding, "We also expect to see some businesss from the GameCube market - all 14 of our toolkits are available for it."
And while he says GameSpy's not permitted to discuss the company's involvement in forthcoming EA titles, he admits the agreement covers all the platforms that GameSpy supports - PC, PS2 and GameCube. Support for the Xbox is a bit of a moot point though.
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