View Full Version : Xbox Live is over hyped
Ok, so you can play online with your console, again.
The games offered are nothing new, nothing that PS2 Live do not have.
What's the deal with XBL when MS could be better off spending the billions on games.
:oops:
The games may be nothing new, but the experience is completely different due to the voice communicator. The voice communicator adds so much to the games and online experience that you'd have to try it to see just how good it is.
Bleh voices bleh!
I could have played CS with voices but i rather turn all off.
VC = another over hyped product. :lol:
I can't tell if you're just having fun here trolling a lot (because of that stupid smilie after your posts), so I'm not going to bother typing a response other than this. :)
Trolling?
Seriously can you tell me whats the big frickin deal about XBL that have gotten all the MS fanboys wet in their pants?
It is just online gaming, it is nothing new or revolutionary. It is not even the first for consoles and certainly not the one with the most innovative online games.
Sorry, but PS2 online game lists look just as impressive as Xbox's and who knows what Nintendo have up their sleeves.
The closed network also prevents cross platform gaming and limits publishers' freedom.
Simply speaking, XBL is over hyped. It is good that MS is spending billions on it, but it is just over hyped. 8)
A lot of people do make a bigger deal about it than needs to be made, but it is still fantastic and it is better than PS2's online.
Here's why: I don't care if it's already possible on the PC. I'm a PC gamer and I'm a console gamer, I prefer some games on the console and some on the PC.
I REALLY enjoy laying down (literally) on the couch infront of the bigscreen and playing people online without ever needing to type. It's even more enjoyable when it's with your friends. When I go onto the Xbox the first thing I do is check my friends list and see who's on and see if any of them are up for some games.
It's just a really nice overall experience I've had with it so far, and I'm very happy with it. Everything's worked as advertised for me and my friends (*knock on wood*) and we all get a kick out of it.
I think a lot of people exagerate the effect it'll have on sales and the "revolutionary" aspects of it, but there's nothing else like it on the market right now and it's a great service from what I've seen (and I've been on it for 2 months now).
(And the only online game that Sony has that is remotely as fun as MechAssault, Unreal Championship, and Ghost Recon is SOCOM)
The disappointing thing about MS online, is that the games are your typical PC type ones, aside from MvsSnk.
I like to see more console Japanese style online games and more interesting online ideas(due to close network).
MS Live would suffer a tremendous blow if Sony and Nintendo managed to grab hold of some cool Japanese online games. And this not that impossible seeing as how Xbox is all but dead in Japan. :o
So you were just trolling then. :lol:
I don't know why I even bother...kids these days, sheesh. ;)
I am not trolling, i just feel that XBL is over hyped and MS has more to do(ie get more interesting online content) before it can fully justify the claims of how great XBL is, that they and the Xfans are making.
You see, the current lineup of games hardly provide any new online gaming experience and its no where better than what PS2 or even DC providing/provided.
iscariot
20-Nov-2002, 09:01
it's got potential. For instance dl'ing and saving new levels and objectives etc.(i.e SC) for games can bring excellent replay value that the other consoles cannot in that regard. If MS utilizes this network well, it could kick arse.
archie4oz
20-Nov-2002, 09:20
A lot of people do make a bigger deal about it than needs to be made, but it is still fantastic and it is better than PS2's online.
Depends on where you have PlaystationBB... I do like the quick match and more pervasive use of voice chat on Live...
(And the only online game that Sony has that is remotely as fun as MechAssault, Unreal Championship, and Ghost Recon is SOCOM)
Well you essentially just picked a bunch of shooters... I personally enjoyed AutoModellista online the most. Although Frequency and TM:B were pretty fun too...
PC-Engine
20-Nov-2002, 10:07
Even the DC had voice chat :wink:
JF_Aidan_Pryde
20-Nov-2002, 12:10
OMFG.. is that chap? shooting down the xbox? :o
Johnny Awesome
20-Nov-2002, 13:35
Chap is a troll that just tries to get a rise out of people. It doesn't matter what platform they like, Chap will trash it just to start an evil thread. Like this one.
Why am i a troll just because i feel XB Live is over hyped by Microsoft and Xbox fanboys?
Maybe we can start a poll to see how many posters feel the same way.
+1 Xbox Live is over hyped. NEXT!
*Remember the word is over hyped* :D
For one thing Xbox live hasn't been hyped much. Most people out there don't actually know it exists yet.
Second, perhaps you should try it out before saying it's "over hyped". Also, not ALL the games on xbox live are just PC titles. out of all the game currnetly available (11), only 3 are availbe on PC. Good luck finding someone to play with.
The other games coming like tennis, and the RPG's MS are working on will not be availble on PC. So I think your reasons for calling it "over hyped" are very premature.
No, I know you're not goign to listen to what anyone says in this thread since you're bent on trying to prove somehting, but honestly, don't say anythign bad about it until you've tried it. MotoGP online is a LOT of fun.
I do not think XBL is overhyped, the concept of online gaming on a large massmarket scale for this gen be it on xbox, ps2 or GC is clearly overhyped nonetheless, but there is always a beginning to every new concept and maybe it will be cool sometimes in the future to remenber that period of pain, trial and error.
some xbox online games do look cook, like fantasy online, but I think the ps2 offering has more (albeit limited) appeal.
I would like to have BB in my area too :(
So far there is not a single PS2 online game that appeals to me. I hate tactical shooters (SOCOM), sports games, and FreQuency and TM:B just look odd. Auto Modelista could be great, but doesn't justify the cost of the network adapter.
On XBL, I'm getting a huge kick out of MotoGP, MechAssault, and Unreal Championship. Granted UC is just UT2k3, but the voice and ease of the XBL network is a HUGE leg up on GameSpy and other PC-related issues.
The XBL framework is only really implemented properly in MotoGP (and Whacked) thus far [the friends list and lobby issues in the other games are b0rked], but these were launch titles.
So, being an online gamer since NetQuake, I'll say that XBL is a much more enjoyable experience than both PC gaming online, and presumably PS2 online (due to the lack of.. well, a network heh).
zurich
edit: forgot to add, the banning of modded Xboxs (and thus potential cheaters) is also a VERY, VERY good thing.
randycat99
20-Nov-2002, 20:24
Well this is the sort of topic that I'd never thought chap would be capable of, so something must be up! :oops: Isn't it only another thread here where chap was saying Xbox Live would be the next big wave for Xbox to crush the competition and save the world and so forth?
marconelly!
20-Nov-2002, 20:33
I would also say that online console gaming that has been touted as the second coming of messiah on the message boards - is really overhyped. I'm not interested in online gaming, but I have nothing against XBL or PS2 or GC online, although I think they will not be a driving force behind console sales anytime soon.
Mr. Angry Pants
20-Nov-2002, 22:02
although I think they will not be a driving force behind console sales anytime soon.
You have to crawl before you can walk, Marconelly, let alone run. Of course XBL and other online console gaming services aren't going to drive sales at first. Why do detractors insist on stating what is so obvious over and over again?
marconelly!
21-Nov-2002, 00:33
Why do detractors insist on stating what is so obvious over and over again?
Just because, as I said, many people talk about online as if it's a second coming.
PC-Engine
21-Nov-2002, 00:52
Maybe it's being hyped because there aren't too many people online to play with so the hype is used to get more people to go online :wink:
You'd be surprised. Upon clicking "create game", atleast 4 or 5 people are already in my lobby before I even load up.
Same with a dedicated server in UC.. its _ALWAYS_ full, they hijack my xbox :evil:
wow, I didn't expect this thread to grow over 2 pages... :o
For everyone saying "whoopdee do" - is there anything else out there comparable to Xbox Live?
No.
For everyone saying "whoopdee do" - is there anything else out there comparable to Xbox Live?
No.
Thats the point!
Xbox Live is good but is simply over hyped by MS and their fans.
PS2 online is comparable to Xbox Live.
Sure it does not have a matchmake service and the fancy voice chatting, but PS2 online has online games that are jsut as cool. And in some ways, it is more user friendly to setup and in others Xbox Live is better to use. :oops:
In what ways is PS2's Online more user friendly?
2 ways i can think of, no banning of modded systems and region-free online gaming(not all but there are a handful).
2 ways i can think of, no banning of modded systems and region-free online gaming(not all but there are a handful).
You think NOT banning modded system would be a GOOD thing?
Chap is just trolling. forget discussing this with him. He knows nothing about xbox live, and won't listen to anyone that actually has it.
The fact that it DOES have region free gaming and I can chck my firends list to see whateveryone is playing, proves both of his last too points wrong. I'm, GLAD they don't let modded systems play. If you're going to steal games, then you shouldn't be allowed to get all the frills. plain and simple.
Reznor007
22-Nov-2002, 14:25
I'm, GLAD they don't let modded systems play. If you're going to steal games, then you shouldn't be allowed to get all the frills. plain and simple.
But what if you modded the system so you could write software for it? Believe it or not, this has become a rather popular hobby.
Or me, I NTSC modded my XBox, all my games (7 so far) are bought and paid for.
Cheers
Gubbi
Chap is just trolling. forget discussing this with him. He knows nothing about xbox live, and won't listen to anyone that actually has it.
The fact that it DOES have region free gaming and I can chck my firends list to see whateveryone is playing, proves both of his last too points wrong. I'm, GLAD they don't let modded systems play. If you're going to steal games, then you shouldn't be allowed to get all the frills. plain and simple.
:lol:
Let's say i am from Australia.
I could mod my PS2, get a original copy of SOCOM with PS2 Network card and i can start playing SOCOM online.
Can the Xbox do that?
Modded Xbox ban = bad.
Pirated games ban = good.
Reznor,
But what if you modded the system so you could write software for it? Believe it or not, this has become a rather popular hobby.
Doesn't matter if it's a hobby. Those people "witting software" are ONLY doing so for the people that have mod chips and pirated games. Sorry, but why should microsoft support that? Why should I as a developer support that??
Gubbi
Or me, I NTSC modded my XBox, all my games (7 so far) are bought and paid for.
Sorry dude, but are you telling me you modded your xbox without the idea you'd be playing pirated games on it? You're telling me you don't have ANY pirated games? no matter what you say I'd have serious doubts in trusting your answer.
chap,
Let's say i am from Australia.
I could mod my PS2, get a original copy of SOCOM with PS2 Network card and i can start playing SOCOM online.
Can the Xbox do that?
Modded Xbox ban = bad.
Pirated games ban = good.
Don't complain unless you're buying your games.
I'm, GLAD they don't let modded systems play. If you're going to steal games, then you shouldn't be allowed to get all the frills. plain and simple.
But what if you modded the system so you could write software for it? Believe it or not, this has become a rather popular hobby.
Well, if they were smart they'd get a modchip that you can turn on and off.
Obviously, you'd want this chip OFF if you're playing Xbox Live.
Sorry dude, but are you telling me you modded your xbox without the idea you'd be playing pirated games on it? You're telling me you don't have ANY pirated games? no matter what you say I'd have serious doubts in trusting your answer.
BS! Maybe it's fine living in the US and getting games at release. Many other places have to wait months to see a release (if one actually emerges at all).
I've owned modded/non domestic consoles many times in the past & paid massively above the odds to get them & the games to play on them. Don't project your own values on people you don't even know. Regional coding serves no purpose so far as the consumer is concerned. This may not be an issue in the US but it certainly is elsewhere.
Please, don't even bother me with an argument for why xbox live should allow mod chipped boxes because games come out later in different places. North america has to wait for LOT's of games coming out of japan and Europe as well.
Modding is illegal. Using copied game are illegal. There's no bending the rules to make sense out of it. Also, this is a bit off topuic, how about we get back to discussion?
I hear that the intial shipment of xbox live kits (150,000 sold out in the first week. Not bad for a "over hyped" online service, is it? Anyway, back to playing the amazing splinter cell. This game is so freaking cool!
archie4oz
22-Nov-2002, 22:17
Those people "witting software" are ONLY doing so for the people that have mod chips and pirated games. Sorry, but why should microsoft support that? Why should I as a developer support that??
Actually they're doing for the hobby of dev'ing for the platform, not for pirates. In fact, most homebrew dev's hate pirates with a pation because they're often lumped in with the same people...
As far as I'm concerned with Live however, I'm all for banning modded Xboxes in an effort to keep cheating down. Of course I can only say thing because I have two (one modded and the other not)...
It's also easier for MS to enforce that on Xbox since it's a DRM machine and the PS2 isn't, so it's also a bit of a technology/implimentation issue rather than solely company policy...
I think Live! is the best of times as well as the worst of times - to state it in a nore literary way:
As an online service, it's the pre-eminent online gaming service this side of Japan. It's the shit.. period.
It's the worst because it diminishes what was allways my main draw to console games - playing together in one room and having fun. In this way, it's shit. I don't care whose console I'm playing on, I don't want to sit alone and play against some kid in boofoo.
<Falls off Soap-Box>
Mr. Angry Pants
22-Nov-2002, 22:47
I think Live! is the best of times as well as the worst of times - to state it in a nore literary way:
As an online service, it's the pre-eminent online gaming service this side of Japan. It's the shit.. period.
It's the worst because it diminishes what was allways my main draw to console games - playing together in one room and having fun. In this way, it's shit. I don't care whose console I'm playing on, I don't want to sit alone and play against some kid in boofoo.
<Falls off Soap-Box>
<climbs onto Soap-Box>
Then get your friends to come over and play Live with you.
Vince,
It doesn't feel that way though. Honestly, it feels like I have a bunch of wacky Americans in my room with their wacky accents playing a game with me. The voice comm works very well. HOWEVER, this experience is only reproduced in limited situations where you're playing with a bunch of extroverts who aren't voice masking ;) At other times, when all you year is the occasional sneeze in your ear, it gets pretty lonely.
For a 1.0 product, I think MS did an amazing job and i look forward to future system updates.
It's the worst because it diminishes what was allways my main draw to console games - playing together in one room and having fun. In this way, it's shit. I don't care whose console I'm playing on, I don't want to sit alone and play against some kid in boofoo.
How does live stop you from still doing this?
Please, don't even bother me with an argument for why xbox live should allow mod chipped boxes
I'm not arguing as to whether or not MS should allow modded xboxes on the live network, I object to your rediculous accusation that someone couldn't possibly own a modded box for any reason other than playing pirated games.
Modding is illegal
That may be true where you live, but is certainly not the case for a large section of the planet.
I think Live! is the best of times as well as the worst of times - to state it in a nore literary way:
As an online service, it's the pre-eminent online gaming service this side of Japan. It's the shit.. period.
It's the worst because it diminishes what was allways my main draw to console games - playing together in one room and having fun. In this way, it's shit. I don't care whose console I'm playing on, I don't want to sit alone and play against some kid in boofoo.
<Falls off Soap-Box>
I've hardly played by myself yet, me and my brother or friends are always playing together.
I have it as well. Mech Assault is an amazing game. Xbox Live is a very good purchase.
How does live stop you from still doing this?
Wow, people must find fault...
I basically said that the downside - the bad - is that it doesn't have the same effect as playing with a bunch of friends in the same room where you can taunt, sware at, and charge the friend who just kicked your ass.
I never said that it would stop me, rather it's not that big of a deal or even a significant draw to me as I don't wanta play some kid from Europe (no offense).
The thread was about the over hyping of Live! was it not? <Doc Evil voice> Right.....
Well Vince, it's honestly your loss. I've been playing online games since Doom, and I can really put my seal of approval on XBL (despite its many glitches).
And about the Euro thing, that was only at the end of beta ;) Its up in the air as to whether or not MS will link the 3 networks. The UK guys really really really embraced the North Americans with open arms, due to the language barrier with Germany/France. As to what will happen in the future, its anyone's guess.
And if you do run into any Euro folk, all you really need to know are these phrases:
Auf Deutsch...
"Beginnen Sie das Spiel" / 'Beginnen zee das schpiel'
"Scheisse" / 'Scheiss-uh'
and "Du bist schwul" ;) / 'Do beest schvuhl'
And in French...
"Commencez le jeu" / 'Commensay le jeuh'
"Merd" / 'M-air-duh'
and "Tu es gai" ;) / 'Too eh guy'
BTW, to the euro beta testers, how is that going, with the language barriers and all? I only ask because I'm curious as to how MS will work around this.
Don't complain unless you're buying your games.
Say what?
IMO PS2 online is user friendly is ways is due to its PC style online.
Get the necessary hardware and software and you can play from almost anyway.
Can a modded console really allows you to cheat online?
I wonder how is that possible. :oops:
Zurich now that you mention it i have run into several japanese and german speaking europeans who claimed to be playing out of their respective nations.
archie4oz: A lot of 'homebrew' software writers used warez copies of the XDK to create their programs.
It'd been insane for Microsoft to allowed modded Xboxes on the network - within a week there'd be a cheat for every popular game on the system.
Can anyone explain to me how modded Xbox running original Xbox games allow for cheating?
Can anyone explain to me how modded Xbox running original Xbox games allow for cheating?
Trainer/loader programs are the simplest method. They would be burnt to a disk. After the trainer/loader program has loaded itself into memory, it will eject it's CD/DVD, then prompt you to put the DVD of the original game into the Drive and go.
Can anyone explain to me how modded Xbox running original Xbox games allow for cheating?
Well gee chap, let me think.
1) Edit the save games
2) Copy the game to the hard disk, and modify its files directly, or run a modified copy of the game
3) Run a trainer from the hard disk or CD drive
Bloody troll.
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