View Full Version : GameSpot give Metroid Prime 9.7/10!!!!!!!!
I think allot of people have been waiting for the GameSpot review of this game considering how tough GameSpot seem to be with game reviews now.
Well there it is, if anyone doubted how incredible this game is, doubt no longer! :)
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/reviews/0,10867,2897768,00.html
Here's a quote from the review:
'It's not just one of the single most atmospheric games ever created, but it's also quite simply one of the best'
IGN = 9.8/10
EGM = 10/10
GameSpot = 9.7/10
Average score so far = 98.3%!
98.3%.. METAORID PRIEM IS BETTAR TAHN ZELDA SIXTYFARCE!!!!
Thankfully GS didn't get Jeff Gerstmann to write this review.. wink wink, nudge nudge.
Oh oh, yeah, and hopefully they won't change the score due to reader request! Yeah.. yeah..
Is there bobing and can you turn it off ?
V3: There is bobbing, I played the demo at EB. I'm pretty sure it's on permanently.. but I dunno for sure.
Teasy: Ahh, he's the guy that reviewed Mario Sunshine there. Second lowest "official" score for the game on the 'net.
I strongly disagree with some of his comments within the review.
Brimstone
16-Nov-2002, 22:00
I think the guys at Retro have done a fantastic job considering all the turmoil they went through and unrealistic expectations fans have for making 2d game into a 3d one.
I think the guys at Retro have done a fantastic job considering all the turmoil they went through and unrealistic expectations fans have for making 2d game into a 3d one.
Their problems were maybe a bit overexposed by the net.
It seems Miyamoto (or one of its clones) took the lead design at some point.
CaptainHowdy
16-Nov-2002, 22:55
actually, EGM had three reviewers.
it got 10-10-10
I still think replay value should be weighted far heavier in all game reviews than it currently is.
A fantastic game with very little replay value should be penalized pretty harshly IMO.
marconelly!
17-Nov-2002, 00:14
actually, EGM had three reviewers.
it got 10-10-10
Actually, noone knows that yet :P Scores that float around the net are fake.
CaptainHowdy
17-Nov-2002, 00:48
I still think replay value should be weighted far heavier in all game reviews than it currently is.
A fantastic game with very little replay value should be penalized pretty harshly IMO.
when a game is this fun and jawdropping, with the mad amount of secrets that are in metroid, there is plenty of replay value, there is more to replay value than multiplay.
DemoCoder
17-Nov-2002, 01:01
Why does the reviewer on gamespot seem to begin alot of the paragraphs with excuses or defusing criticisms?, e.g
The following are pulled from the beginning sentences of the review...
Don't expect some sweeping space opera of a story.
While Metroid Prime isn't plot-driven, it provides you with lots and lots of context
While the notion of reading pseudo-scientific text while playing Metroid Prime may not sound very appealing
Ironically, the criticisms that can be leveled against Metroid Prime are associated with certain conventions that are integral to the Metroid series and must have been deliberately put into this game to keep things faithful. For instance, the notion of having to backtrack through previously explored areas has grown unpopular with gamers over the years, and yet backtracking is certainly required in Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime grows on you as you play. For instance, at first you might not see what's so remarkably impressive about its visuals, since Metroid Prime at first looks like any old sci-fi-themed shooter.
or
The lack of any real narrative might also disappoint some players, and finally, someone, somewhere will complain that Metroid Prime has no multiplayer features
A lot of the review sounds like "Well, this feature or lack of one sounds like it might suck ass, but let me explain why it doesn't"
I mean, nothing in this review really sounds innovative and the control system for strafing and up/down look sounds like it sucks ass. A lot of the comments have to deal with special effects with regards to Samus's helmet, or how the levels load by streaming, but I learned nothing from this review about the actual gameplay, the AI, what kinds of enemies encountered, etc. If I didn't know better, Metroid Prime sounds like it players like Shen Mue, running around 'scanning' everything.
My conclusion from reading the review is that Metroid Prime lacks direction, plot/story and plays more like an ID Software game, but much slower, and involves lots of running around, scanning stuff, and occassional battles against not too difficult to kill enemies, perhaps like the fighting in Shen Mue. :)
Well, it sounds like I better turn in my copy of Splinter Cell, MGS2, Halo, et al, to get this ASAP.
Geeforcer
17-Nov-2002, 01:05
While the review is indeed poorly written, I would not hold that against the game itself.
CaptainHowdy
17-Nov-2002, 01:13
Why does the reviewer on gamespot seem to begin alot of the paragraphs with excuses or defusing criticisms?, e.g
The following are pulled from the beginning sentences of the review...
Don't expect some sweeping space opera of a story.
While Metroid Prime isn't plot-driven, it provides you with lots and lots of context
While the notion of reading pseudo-scientific text while playing Metroid Prime may not sound very appealing
Ironically, the criticisms that can be leveled against Metroid Prime are associated with certain conventions that are integral to the Metroid series and must have been deliberately put into this game to keep things faithful. For instance, the notion of having to backtrack through previously explored areas has grown unpopular with gamers over the years, and yet backtracking is certainly required in Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime grows on you as you play. For instance, at first you might not see what's so remarkably impressive about its visuals, since Metroid Prime at first looks like any old sci-fi-themed shooter.
or
The lack of any real narrative might also disappoint some players, and finally, someone, somewhere will complain that Metroid Prime has no multiplayer features
A lot of the review sounds like "Well, this feature or lack of one sounds like it might suck ass, but let me explain why it doesn't"
I mean, nothing in this review really sounds innovative and the control system for strafing and up/down look sounds like it sucks ass. A lot of the comments have to deal with special effects with regards to Samus's helmet, or how the levels load by streaming, but I learned nothing from this review about the actual gameplay, the AI, what kinds of enemies encountered, etc. If I didn't know better, Metroid Prime sounds like it players like Shen Mue, running around 'scanning' everything.
My conclusion from reading the review is that Metroid Prime lacks direction, plot/story and plays more like an ID Software game, but much slower, and involves lots of running around, scanning stuff, and occassional battles against not too difficult to kill enemies, perhaps like the fighting in Shen Mue. :)
Well, it sounds like I better turn in my copy of Splinter Cell, MGS2, Halo, et al, to get this ASAP.
Hey everybody, guess who has never played a Metroid game before
DemoCoder
17-Nov-2002, 01:44
I own almost every game console ever made, and I certainly played the old Metroid series, but I never liked them, nor did I like Mario, Yoshi, et al.
But whether or not I played them or not does not detract from the fact that this review sucked. How can I trust a reviewer whose writing skills seem to be so poor? This review is the equivalent of a movie review which says "Everything you've heard about this movie sounds like it sucks. But it doesn't. It deserves an Academy Award. But I won't describe anything about the plot, acting, or direction. Instead I will discuss costume and set design."
I may rent this game to check it out, but so far, the mega-glowing reviews I have read seem to be coming from authors who decided before they even played the game that it would rock. You know, Cubeboys.
How can a game where the reviewer holds out so many nit-picks get a 9.7, on the other hand, gamespot has done other reviews where similar nitpicks allowed them to knock off 2-3 points from the score? Seems like bias.
Democoder
a) check the video review, the footage 3/4 of the time back up or simply explain much better his comments (video review is just like the written review pretty much) and you'll also see kickass footage :)
b) If you still dont understand why no voice acting or no hollywood'esk story in metroid doesnt really matter, then either get an snes plus a copy of super metroid, or other ways to play it..
BenSkywalker
17-Nov-2002, 02:03
I may rent this game to check it out, but so far, the mega-glowing reviews I have read seem to be coming from authors who decided before they even played the game that it would rock. You know, Cubeboys.
You mean those die hard Nintendo zealots like the IGN PS2 editors? ;)
This review reads like a typical run of the mill review these days, looking at conept while ignoring completely gameplay. Have you read many VC reviews? EGM has over half a dozen pages dedicated to the game and maybe a paragraphs worth of gameplay.
I own almost every game console ever made, and I certainly played the old Metroid series, but I never liked them, nor did I like Mario, Yoshi, et al.
The only thing Metroid has in common with Mario or Yoshi is that they are Nintendo games. Unless you are stating you dislike all Nintendo games because they are Nintendo games I don't see how mentioning Mario or Yoshi relates to Metroid. Two of them are platformers while the other is a shooter/adventure game, they don't relate.
Gamespot biased toward nintendo :lol:
oohhhboy
GTA:VC had its flaws and annoyances also, that didnt stop it from getting rave reviews. You see, small flaws in a game dont matter if it doesnt alter the fun. There's no such things as PERFECT games. Halo's shuddy level design and back tracking didnt stop it from being GOTY and good reviews.
If you check the video review, you'll see that all the negative talk about metroid are either from the series itself and not from prime, or its something you'll get used to, like the controls.
He said metroid doesnt have typical FPS controls, that it doesnt have multiplayer. Should these features immediatly drop the score from a single player game? Drop the score because the controls arent cloned from your typical fps (metroid is no typical fps..)?
Or should metroid drop points because it doesnt have voice acting? Will the next zelda be any less good than the past zeldas because it will still be texted based? Should metroid drop points because there's backtracking, though FUN backtracking (like discovering new areas, being more powerfull, having more abilities).
Or maybe cause it has your typical save the world story where samus is ALONE against an army of critters and jelly stuffs that could dominate the universe?
I mean democoder, what did you expect from a metroid game? I didnt expected anything less than prime delivered, actually, it delivered more than i thought it would, and metroid is one of the franchises i hold as my #1 of all time, like many others.
If you didnt like past metroids, nobody is asking you to understand metroid prime's hype, though, dont take your opinion as fact here, many many gamers hold metroid as one of the best 2d had to offer, heck, even the best castlevania (sotn) was pretty much a direct copy of metroid. With metroid prime being talked as "one of the best metroid" or like gamespot, "easily the best metroid", then you can understand why its being hyped so high, its been 8 years in the waiting, 8 freaking years..
Metroid isn't a platformer. Back in the day, the only thing Mario and Metroid had in common (outside of the Nintendo brand) was they were both developed in-house at NCL.. one by R&D4, one by R&D1. Now, they only have Producer Shigeru Miyamoto in common. Metroid wasn't even developed in Japan this time. SMS and MP are totally different games, I tell ya!
CaptainHowdy
17-Nov-2002, 03:06
I hate Metal Gear solid, being its third person 3d, and so is Tomb Raider, and I hate tomb raider..
My favorite misconception is that Luigi's Mansion is a platformer.
Apparently if it has a mascot character, it's a platformer now.. gameplay has nothing to do with it. :D :roll:
Magnum PI
17-Nov-2002, 10:13
i don't know why democoder seems very annoyed because of metroid being a so great game...
perhaps because he'll finally have to buy a gamecube because of that ? :)
MP is a good game.
Get it everyone!
A lot of the review sounds like "Well, this feature or lack of one sounds like it might suck ass, but let me explain why it doesn't"
I mean, nothing in this review really sounds innovative and the control system for strafing and up/down look sounds like it sucks ass.
If the guy is trying to explain why parts of the game that typically might be thought of initially as bad are actually not bad at all, wouldn't you say that sounds like innovation? Take the controls, people who haven't played the game wouldn't understand how good the controls are, because it just hasn't ever been done successfully before now.. that is innovation mate!
Really Demo, you sound annoyed to find out how good Metroid Prime is. Your post sounds like nothing but total denial "No Metroid Prime isn't good.. it isn't, I'M NOT LISTENING!!.. lalalalalala" :)
Actually, demo isn't saying anything about the game itself, he's analyzing the revew at game spot. I think Demo's point is that when they say there's drawbacks to the game and then come up with a reason why is shouldn't be penalized for it, then something in the review is slightly off.
The thing i consistently see with reviews is that other games get penalized for these drawbacks and the reviewers don't come up with reasons on why it's better. They just give the game a lower score. NHL2K3 is a eprfect example. read the review at IGn and the person doesn't copmpare it to the cmopetition at all, and goes on to say the game isn't as polished as other sega sports games, yet even though the game is MORE polished then the copeting hockey games.
let me put it this way. if this was any other game without the Metroid license, you just know it wouldn't have gotten a score so high. I'm sure many people would not admit that... so feel free to NOT reply teasy, because I'm not talking directly to you anyway.
I know one of the programers still left (out of the 32 people Retro still have) and he actually said that the score IGN gave it for graphics was BS. It got a 9.7 out of 10 if I remember correct, and he though that should be lower.
CaptainHowdy
17-Nov-2002, 21:40
Actually, demo isn't saying anything about the game itself, he's analyzing the revew at game spot. I think Demo's point is that when they say there's drawbacks to the game and then come up with a reason why is shouldn't be penalized for it, then something in the review is slightly off.
The thing i consistently see with reviews is that other games get penalized for these drawbacks and the reviewers don't come up with reasons on why it's better. They just give the game a lower score. NHL2K3 is a eprfect example. read the review at IGn and the person doesn't copmpare it to the cmopetition at all, and goes on to say the game isn't as polished as other sega sports games, yet even though the game is MORE polished then the copeting hockey games.
let me put it this way. if this was any other game without the Metroid license, you just know it wouldn't have gotten a score so high. I'm sure many people would not admit that... so feel free to NOT reply teasy, because I'm not talking directly to you anyway.
I know one of the programers still left (out of the 32 people Retro still have) and he actually said that the score IGN gave it for graphics was BS. It got a 9.7 out of 10 if I remember correct, and he though that should be lower.
that was the most fanboyish pile of horseshit I have ever heard.......
three reviews now, only one from a cube site, IGN is the one who gave it the lowest graphics score out of the three, your BUDDY sounds like a jealous POS who missed out on a great success, obviously he couldnt handle living up to Nintendos standards, so he bailed to make crappy games somewhere.
its not just 3 reviews either
its 3 folks from EGM all giving it a perfect 10
1 guy from Cube.IGN, two from PS2.ign, all agreeing with its 9.8 score
1 guy from gamespot giving it a 9.7
so thats a total of 8 people so far, one of which one of the biggest cube haters out there(read his editorial on PS2.ign.com). You can cry foul all you want, but in the end, its just that, Crying...
If there is no option to turn off the stupid bob, I will give this game a freaking score of 0.3 :evil:
Well damn how much "lower" of a score should MP get for it's graphics. Damn from what I've seen so far..which is alot (Iv'e got 37 movies plus the Nintendo DVD) IGN's 9.7/10 for graphics is about right. WTF is not to like?
Hmmm let's see:
1)MP looks better (or at least as good as) any game released to date.
2)MP runs at a solid 60fps (read not a shakey 30fps) throughout.
3)MP has some of the best artwork and detailed textures of any game to date.
4)MP has some pretty hefty geometry throughout huge environments with incredible modeled enemies and bosses. Probably one of the best graphics engines ever developed.
5)MP has very large beautiful vistas and landscapes that interconnect with no load times at all.
6)MP has some of the best particle effects and lighting I've seen in a game to date.
About the only thing Retro was'nt concerned with was bump mapping. It's clear they went for superb detail and artistry rather than embossing any textures. But this maybe one reason the game runs at 60 fps. I think a 9's for graphics is in order..yay for Retro.
cybamerc
17-Nov-2002, 22:30
Goldni:
> IGN's 9.7/10 for graphics is about right.
IGN gave the gfx 9 out 10, overall score was 9.7/10. Anyway, you should just ignore Quincy's flame bait. He's a troll who hides behind his developer status. Him and his imaginary friends at Retro are getting rather old indeed.
CaptainHowdy
17-Nov-2002, 22:47
Goldni:
> IGN's 9.7/10 for graphics is about right.
IGN gave the gfx 9 out 10, overall score was 9.7/10. Anyway, you should just ignore Quincy's flame bait. He's a troll who hides behind his developer status. Him and his imaginary friends at Retro are getting rather old indeed.
that would explain his distaste for Metroid Prime, its kind of a
Penis Envy scenario...
that was the most fanboyish pile of horseshit I have ever heard.......
This is typical nonsense from you and your friend cybermerc. you didn't even read my post before responding. It's just an opinion. NOBODY here is even saying the game sucks or anything like that, but just questioning how some of the reviewer actually review games. Basically, you and your opinon on what I say can kiss my @ss for all I care. I'm not going to stop posting about the thing i want to talk about.
three reviews now, only one from a cube site, IGN is the one who gave it the lowest graphics score out of the three, [.quote]
Am i complaining about all the reviews? Am I complaining about the scores? NO, I'm only question the practices of some of the reviewers out there. Mainly that they aren't consistent... Also, by the way you're acting, you know I'm correct in that if this wasn't a game withthe metroid franchise, or nintendo name on it, it wouldn't get rated nearly as high. That's just a fact in the reviewing community.
[quote]your BUDDY sounds like a jealous POS who missed out on a great success, obviously he couldnt handle living up to Nintendos standards, so he bailed to make crappy games somewhere.
What the hell are you talking about. You didn't read a single thing I wrote before you went in to fanboy mode. I'm talking about one of the people that still works there!! Not the person that left a year ago. Stop jumping to conclusions and pay attention!!
so thats a total of 8 people so far, one of which one of the biggest cube haters out there(read his editorial on PS2.ign.com). You can cry foul all you want, but in the end, its just that, Crying...
You are completely incapable of looking objectively at anything. you AND cybermerc for that matter.
that would explain his distaste for Metroid Prime, its kind of a
Penis Envy scenario...
What envy? Quincy owns a Game Cube, thus he can play it, thus there's no bias or envy here.
He's a troll who hides behind his developer status. Him and his imaginary friends at Retro are getting rather old indeed.
Your needless, incessent flaming is getting rather old.
CaptainHowdy
17-Nov-2002, 23:04
that would explain his distaste for Metroid Prime, its kind of a
Penis Envy scenario...
What envy? Quincy owns a Game Cube, thus he can play it, thus there's no bias or envy here.
He's a troll who hides behind his developer status. Him and his imaginary friends at Retro are getting rather old indeed.
Your needless, incessent flaming is getting rather old.
I was talking about the success of the game, havent seen one to his credit that anyone gave a rats arse about, yet he thinks himself an expert on whats good and bad.
I was talking about the success of the game, havent seen one to his credit that anyone gave a rats arse about, yet he thinks himself an expert on whats good and bad.
This shows how much blind fanboism there is around. You say something and don't even critize the game, and people resort to flames like this. next time actually read what's written before responding.
...and for your information, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THE GAME!
CaptainHowdy
18-Nov-2002, 00:23
I was talking about the success of the game, havent seen one to his credit that anyone gave a rats arse about, yet he thinks himself an expert on whats good and bad.
This shows how much blind fanboism there is around. You say something and don't even critize the game, and people resort to flames like this. next time actually read what's written before responding.
...and for your information, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THE GAME!
your trying to find every little subtle way of saying there is something wrong with the reviews out there, because YOUR A TrOLL!!!!, face it your as much an anti-Nintendo troll as I am an anti Xbox troll, actually moreso, because when Xbox has a AAA game, I at least can say, yup, thats a darn good game(ala Mech Assault, Splinter Cell, Rallisport).
and your remarks about "my friend works for Retro, and he says the graphics dont deserve that score", man that is just plain utter BS, you always know someone with some BS remarks against Nintendo.
your trying to find every little subtle way of saying there is something wrong with the reviews out there, because YOUR A TrOLL!!!!
i've been complaining about online reviews for a VERY LONG time, but you're obviously too much biased fanboy to realize that. i was just complaining about reviews on a hockey game in my post. a game that availbile on all platforms, yet you reject that as well. You're blind as blind can be.
, face it your as much an anti-Nintendo troll as I am an anti Xbox troll, actually moreso,
hardly, because I own both platforms. what do YOU own?
because when Xbox has a AAA game, I at least can say, yup, thats a darn good game(ala Mech Assault, Splinter Cell, Rallisport).
Oh bullshit. Yes i remember your comments on Starfox clearly. the ONLY Nintendo branded title you had anything bad to say about. I wonder why.
and your remarks about "my friend works for Retro, and he says the graphics dont deserve that score", man that is just plain utter BS, you always know someone with some BS remarks against Nintendo.
As i said before, you cn kiss my @ss for all i care. perhaps there's aproblem with YOu becuase you intantly defend and don't beleive anything anyone says if it doesn't jive with you nintendo always does right attitude. Shit even people working at retro can look at something objectively.
CaptainHowdy
18-Nov-2002, 01:32
uhm, Starfox isnt the only Ninteno franchise I dont like, its not the only Rare title I dont like (Donkey Kong 64 was a big ole steaming POS, but even it isnt as bad as Starfox adventures). and you can talk all day because I dont like it, whats even funnier, is its the first Rare game you ever praised, why is that?
Metroid is my favorite game of all time, Ive beaten the demo many times, so I have walked away with a pretty darned good impression of the game.. and it lives up to the review, so ONLINE reviews are your problem? okkkkk... last time I checked EGM was a magazine, and it gave Metroid Prime 10-10-10...
whats your excuse now?(and what does you bitching about a hockey game have to do with your bitching about a Metroid score)...
I read what you said, and no matter how much you want to deny or hide it, your an Anti-Nintendo Zeolot, and owning a Nintendo system doesnt change that as long as you constantly bash anything thats not on Xbox, People in the south owned slaves, didnt make them any less racist.
and yes, I am calling you a liar about this GUY YOU KNOW, I hear that every time you want to back up some BS. If anyone would work so hard and so long on something, then gripe about the people who praise the product of all that labor, that only reflects badly on themselves, because they are responsible for how that product turned out.
I dont believe Retros Janitor would associate with you much less one of the Devs.
Come off it Quincy. Demo's swipe at the review is nothing but a thinly vaild attack on the game itself.
He says that the reviewer mentions allot of things that may sound as if they're bad but explains that they're actually good. Then he says that the game sounds like it isn't innovative. Does that make sense at all?
If the reviewer is basically saying "this typically would be bad, because its unusual in this type of game, but its actually excellent in this game because they've pulled it off like no'one has before" then that actually screems innovation!
Then he says that he thinks that the controls sound like they "suck ass". He hasn't even played the bloody game, and he wonders why the reviewer is "making excuses" :roll: Because the reviewer knows there are people like him out there that can't see how something like this can be so good, because this sort of thing (single stick controls in a first person game in this game) has always been rubbish in the past. Because the reviewer has played a game that does things that no other game has ever done successfully, and until he actually plays the game some of it may sound like it "sucks ass" because in past experiences it has "sucked ass".
He also claims that all the reviews so far have been people who have made their minds up about the game before even playing it. He has no facts to suggest that AT ALL. Infact one of the guys who partly reviewed the game on IGN was a PS2 editor!
Your comment that Prime would be getting lesser scores if it wasn't a Metroid game is rubbish AFAICS! You haven't even played the game. So how the hell do you know it should get a lesser score? Why don't I hear you questioning any big XBox reviews?.. hmm I wonder.
Metroid Prime is getting such high review scores because it deserves them. In fact with such a hefty expectation behind this game with allot of people (including some reviewers), if this game hadn't been as amazing it was it would be getting worse scores then it should not the other way around. Because people who love a particular series of games are the harshest critics there is. Metroid Prime is getting these sorts of scores because it lived up to, and surpassed, any expectation that any reviewer so far had of it.
Also I find it extremely hard to believe that you know anyone from Retro that told you Metroid Prime did not deserve a 9 rating for graphics. Why?.. because even you can surely see it does deserve that score, so I douby a guy that slaved over this game for years thinks otherwise.
BTW no IGN didn't give Prime's graphics 9.7, IGN only give whole numbers for those parts of the review and Prime got a 9.. which it easily deserves.
P.S, sorry if you didn't want me to reply, but frankly I don't give a shit what you want mate!
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to hear someone from Retro make such a comment. I would probably say something similar (and here, please note that Quincy did not say precisely that the guy said and so we can't judge what he actually said), that is that it doesn't deserve such a high score. Sometimes the creator can be the harshest critic, they always feel they can improve.
and you can talk all day because I dont like it, whats even funnier, is its the first Rare game you ever praised, why is that?
See, this is what I mean by you being blind. I've been saying for over a year, long before any Rare rumors appeared that there was only two reason to buy a Nintendo console. Nintendo games and rare games. No, Starfox isn't the only rare game I praised. I've praised the majority of their games out there. They've made far too many hit games to say that they've "lost their touch" or imply that they now suck. It's the only rare game I praised recently, becuase it's the only rare game I've played recently, go figure! Your statement is a steaming pile of BS.
last time I checked EGM was a magazine, and it gave Metroid Prime 10-10-10...
Would you get your facts straight? I was talking about one review in peticular, the same one demo pointed out. I don't have a thing to say about the other reviews, because I haven't read them.
whats your excuse now?(and what does you bitching about a hockey game have to do with your bitching about a Metroid score)...
what does it have to do? It shows that I've been complaining about review practices on games other than just Nintendo games, as you suggest. The fact you can't understand something so simple explains a lot about you.
I read what you said, and no matter how much you want to deny or hide it, your an Anti-Nintendo Zeolot, and owning a Nintendo system doesnt change that as long as you constantly bash anything thats not on Xbox, People in the south owned slaves, didnt make them any less racist.
1. you're a zealot, troll, etc...
2. talking about a review is NOT bashing nintendo.
3. nice analogy you fucking moron!!! i happen to be black thank you, and I don't need some fucking idiot like yourself to tell me ANYTHING about slavery. That just shows how ignorant you really are.
and yes, I am calling you a liar about this GUY YOU KNOW, I hear that every time you want to back up some BS.
You can call me whatever you want. You'll be a fool for doing so. I happen to know a lot of people in the industry, that sort of thing happens after 9 years.
If anyone would work so hard and so long on something, then gripe about the people who praise the product of all that labor, that only reflects badly on themselves, because they are responsible for how that product turned out.
Once again, it shows what you know. For one thing he didn't grip about people that praised his product. he just didnt' agree with the graphics score. Obviously he's NOT pig headed enough to think this is the best they can do graphically and there's room for improvement. It's called being objective, try it!
I dont believe Retros Janitor would associate with you much less one of the Devs.
ha, this shows babdly on you. Unless retro has one of the lead programmers cleaning floors...
Nexiss
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to hear someone from Retro make such a comment. I would probably say something similar (and here, please note that Quincy did not say precisely that the guy said and so we can't judge what he actually said), that is that it doesn't deserve such a high score. Sometimes the creator can be the harshest critic, they always feel they can improve.
See, you get the idea :) Unlike some people around here, it is possible to look at something objectively. I'm glad someone picked up on what I was saying there.
if you look objectively at something, you realize you can do better. That's just what my friend Mark was doing. that and he's a 3d engine person so no doubt he knows there's room for improvement.
Tmeister,
Your comment that Prime would be getting lesser scores if it wasn't a Metroid game is rubbish AFAICS! You haven't even played the game. So how the hell do you know it should get a lesser score? Why don't I hear you questioning any big XBox reviews?.. hmm I wonder.
Metroid Prime is getting such high review scores because it deserves them
*applauds Teasy for not cutting and/or pasting once!!*
Not bad, but that sort of sticks out! You haven't played the game either, so how should you know if it deserves said scores? :wink:
I hate N and all, but I really do think that many overwhelmingly positive conceptions about the game were formed due to the nostalgia factor associated with the Metroid's of yesteryear. Sort of like Mario, Zelda, and well, Halo 2 (Cept Metroid's much heavier on the nostalgia)!
Personally, I don't really care how good the game actually is, but if it keeps people from killing each other or snorting cocaine for a few hours, all the more power to 'em!
I just think that licenses/franchises are a very powerful thing, and when one is ressurected from the dead after X number of years, the baseline hype/expectations for that title are artificially high, and may not be indicative of the final product (I skipped the PSX gen, but I think MGS/MGS2 is a good example of this).
All that said, if say... Crystalis (NES a-RPG), Streets of Rage, or Splatterhouse weres announced for next-gen systems, I'd squeel without thinking twice too ;)
zurich
ps: I kind of lost track of what I was writting, but I hope I made a point somewhere in there!
teasy,
BTW no IGN didn't give Prime's graphics 9.7, IGN only give whole numbers for those parts of the review and Prime got a 9..
My mistake. it was a 9...
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised to hear someone from Retro make such a comment. I would probably say something similar (and here, please note that Quincy did not say precisely that the guy said and so we can't judge what he actually said), that is that it doesn't deserve such a high score. Sometimes the creator can be the harshest critic, they always feel they can improve.
I'm sure devs can be very harsh critics of there own work. But I doubt that someone who was just part of a 3 year development on a game with an undoubtedly exceptional engine (a engine that looks equal to anything out on any system and runs at 60fps solid) would then say that the graphics didn't deserve a 9 or of 10.. do you? I mean what would he think is deserves?.. the next level down, a 8? Would any dev who worked on MP really say it deserved only a 8 for graphics? I don't believe that when I look at this game.
I'm sure devs can be very harsh critics of there own work. But I doubt that someone who was just part of a 3 year development on a game with an undoubtedly exceptional engine (a engine that looks equal to anything out on any system and runs at 60fps solid) would then say that the graphics didn't deserve a 9 or of 10.. do you? I mean what would he think is deserves?.. the next level down, a 8? Would any dev who worked on MP really say it deserved only a 8 for graphics? I don't believe that when I look at this game.
It all depends on IF they think and/or know they can make it look even better. There's always room for improvement. As far as I've seen, not very many devs out there are so happy that they think a game can't be improved on the next time around.
Also who said the he was thinking it deserved an 8? i didn't say that. for all you and I know he was thinking 8.5.
Not bad, but that sort of sticks out! You haven't played the game either, so how should you know if it deserves said scores?
Yeah but I'm not questioning the review though. To question the reviews of this game in the way he did he surely should have to have played this game. Otherwise he should just trust the reviews. AFAICS nobody has any reason to believe that the reviews are overatting this game based on its licence at this point, especially with a PS2 editor being part of one of the reviews.
It all depends on IF they think and/or know they can make it look even better. There's always room for improvement.
Absolutely, there is deffinately room for improvement to the visuals given that it runs at a solid 60fps (but then isn't the whole engine, with includes how smooth it runs, part of how good the graphics are?). But a 9 does leave room for improvement.
This games graphics engine is the best on GameCube and possibly the best on any system right now and so it does deserve at least a 9 for its graphics engine.
But a 9 does leave room for improvement.
yeah, but not much room.
This games graphics engine is the best on GameCube and possibly the best on any system right now and so it does deserve at least a 9 for its graphics engine.
It's certainly the best on the gamecube. What the graphics engine itself deserves isn't up to me, I didn't code it and I don't have any ideas on what could be done better. I'd rely on the programer for that. the 9 rating was mostly for the visuals from what I can tell.
Also who said the he was thinking it deserved an 8? i didn't say that. for all you and I know he was thinking 8.5.
I said 8 because that's the next score down with IGN. They only use whole numbers for stuff like that.
It's certainly the best on the gamecube. What the graphics engine itself deserves isn't up to me, I didn't code it and I don't have any ideas on what could be done better. I'd rely on the programer for that. the 9 rating was mostly for the visuals from what I can tell.
Then what was the point of your comment with regard to any MP review? It seemed like you were using the comment from someone at Retro to discredit the MP review. As you said above how would the reviewer know what can be improved? Just like you he wouldn't. All he see's is the visuals, the smoothness of the engine ect and so he gives it a 9, which it most deffinately deserves IMO (more then a 9 from my own viewpoint).
A serious question here, independent of the rest of this post. Looking at the visuals MP puts out on GameCube, and the framerate it keeps with such a massive seemless world, do you think its graphics deserve anything less then a 9?
I don't see why somebody from Retro (that had a GOTY candidate on their hands, no less) would say something like "Oh, IGN gave us a 9.8 review and I don't think that Metroid Prime is that good. Hey IGN, could ya knock our score down please?"
It just doesn't make any sense. If I made a AAA masterpiece that took 3 frickin' years to complete, I would be proud to see it get masterpiece-level reviews. If I threw together a sucky paint-ball game using the BUILD engine that was supposed to suck, and it got a 9.8/10 review.. then I might be a little bit iffy. :)
said 8 because that's the next score down with IGN. They only use whole numbers for stuff like that.
See, that's another thing that doesn't make sense. they giv eyou a bunch of catagories and then only use whole numbers in them. Then they give you a final score that doesn't reflect those other numbers and they don't use whle number there either. They have a fucked up reviewing system. That was my complaint about hockey.
Then what was the point of your comment with regard to any MP review? It seemed like you were using the comment from someone at Retro to discredit the MP review.
I'm not using it to discredit the metroid prime review, I'm just used that as an example of someone that thinks things can get better. someone that can look at thier own creation objectively.
As you said above how would the reviewer know what can be improved? Just like you he wouldn't.
I just SAID that who knows what can be imporved on from a technical/code point of view with the 3D engine. But also as I menationed the score they give has more to do withthe actual graphics/visuals then the technical side of the game.
All he see's is the visuals, the smoothness of the engine ect and so he gives it a 9, which it most deffinately deserves IMO (more then a 9 from my own viewpoint).
That's obviously not all that he sees. I'm sure he sees pretty graphics too, not ONLY how smooth the framerate is. Nice texturing, modeling, and animation. That's what the majority of the score is made from.
Also, I'm going to check with Mark to see if the game is really running at 60fps, or 30fps. I still don't believe that most people can tell that correctly by eyeballing it. i'll also see if I can get some other technical info about the engine/graphics.
A serious question here, independent of the rest of this post. Looking at the visuals MP puts out on GameCube, and the framerate it keeps with such a massive seemless world, do you think its graphics deserve anything less then a 9?
As I said before teasy, i wasn't complainign about the actual score it got. I was interested in some of the things the reviewer said, that either contradicted what he actually gave it. I'm more interested in looking into the practices of the reviewers then playing a game of my score/dick is bigger than yours.
I agree about the defective review system. Years ago, I ran a small site dedicated to gaming, and I used the following review system:
Must-buy
"Keeper"
Rental
Don't bother
And then I let the narratives tell the rest of the story.
What more do you need? Ultimately, these overly complicated number systems can't be very accurate.
Kolgar
Qroach: Metroid Prime is running at 60fps.
I played the demo, and it's extremely easy to "eyeball" a 30/60fps framerate in a 3D game on a TV. You don't agree?
Maybe some folks' eyes have a harder time, I dunno..
CaptainHowdy
18-Nov-2002, 05:32
Blade, 30/60 nothing, its all 60, not a single slowdown in the entire game, the reviewers heavily stress this fact.
Captain: Quincy is right, try to read more carefully. I didn't say that Metroid Prime slows down to 30fps.. :)
I said that I can easily eyeball the difference between 30fps (Halo, Mario Sunshine) and 60fps. (Metroid Prime, Timesplitters 2)
cybamerc
18-Nov-2002, 10:54
Qroach:
> hardly, because I own both platforms. what do YOU own?
I love how owning something justifies constantly putting it down.
> i didn't say that. for all you and I know he was thinking 8.5.
An 8.5 would be rounded to a 9 at IGNcube. Try again.
> Also, I'm going to check with Mark to see if the game is really running
> at 60fps, or 30fps.
It's running at 60 fps. Anyway, you're telling me that Mark Johnston complained about IGN overrating Metroid's gfx? A score which encompasses both technical and artistical achievements? If so are his complaints about just one or the other? What about the game itself... how does he feel about that?
I just SAID that who knows what can be imporved on from a technical/code point of view with the 3D engine. But also as I menationed the score they give has more to do withthe actual graphics/visuals then the technical side of the game.
No it doesn't. Read the graphics part of the review at the end (the part were they give it a 9):
A stunning art vision that deserves major recognition, jaw-dropping world architecture, and volumes of pretty textures. At 60 fps with progressive scan support, there are few that compare.
Clearly they're looking at the engine as a whole since they not only mention how the game looks but also how smooth the game run (60fps).
That's obviously not all that he sees. I'm sure he sees pretty graphics too, not ONLY how smooth the framerate is. Nice texturing, modeling, and animation. That's what the majority of the score is made from.
I said "all he see's is the visuals, the smoothness of the engine ect". I'd say the visuals would count as the pretty graphics wouldn't you?
Also, I'm going to check with Mark to see if the game is really running at 60fps
I can save you the time on that one, it is running at 60fps. I didn't get that from looking at the game either. I got that from Retro's whole team (well the big guys in the team anyway, which included Mark Pacini if that's who you mean when you say Mark) as well as Miyamoto himself. This was from a roundtable discussion about the game on IGN.
As I said before teasy, i wasn't complainign about the actual score it got.
I was only asking a straight question, independent from the rest of my post. I just wanted to know where you yourself stand on this. When you look at this game and its engine, what score would you give?
StefanS
19-Nov-2002, 06:49
Another review is in:
PGC gives a perfect 10/10.
http://www.planetgamecube.com/reviews.cfm?action=profile&id=231
It’s hard not to wax poetic about the experience that is Metroid Prime, but there has not been a sequel this true to its heritage, yet fresh and new since … well, since Super Mario 64 and The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Both are considered excellent and near perfect games, one prompting the evolution of an entire industry, and the other a pinnacle of game design. Well, Nintendo better make room on their awards wall, because Prime is on track to make those games look like Fischer Price toys. Prime successfully punctuates Nintendo’s commitment to the “mature” gamer, and does it without pandering or compromising the product. It’s a dark, gritty, immersive title and one that no GameCube owner should be allowed to miss without submitting himself to some serious corporal punishment.
Magnum PI
19-Nov-2002, 14:03
two more reviews
gamespy 96%
http://gamespy.com/reviews/november02/metroidprimegcn/index.shtml
gamepro 90%
http://www.gamepro.com/index.html?/nintendo/gamecube/games/reviews/27117.shtml
gamerankings average ratio: 96,2 %
Ozymandis
19-Nov-2002, 14:07
Seems like (with all the reviews coming in) that Prime is a shoo-in for Game of the Year.
I can't wait to pick up my copy this afternoon. I'm also going to pick up a Dolby Pro-logic II setup while I'm at the mall to truly enjoy the audio :D
Ozy: I'm pretty sure that it doesn't make a difference if you have PLII. I have a PLI system and I get perfect surround in games. Julian Eggebrecht (misspelling.. :)) from Factor 5 says that PLII works with PLI systems. Just letting ya know.
Tagrineth
19-Nov-2002, 14:20
Not perfectly, though. For one thing, on a PL1 decoder, the output is sent through a low-pass filter.
Ah, thanks for that info Tag. :) Well, I guess it isn't perfect.. but definitely workable. ED was great on my setup.
Magnum PI
19-Nov-2002, 14:52
Ozy: I'm pretty sure that it doesn't make a difference if you have PLII. I have a PLI system and I get perfect surround in games. Julian Eggebrecht (misspelling.. :)) from Factor 5 says that PLII works with PLI systems. Just letting ya know.
it works but i think there is only one rear channel for DPL1, againts two on DPL II.
tmdorsey
19-Nov-2002, 15:08
I got the game last night, and I agree with the PGC and the majority of the other sites. The game is F-ing great. I haven't felt this good about a game since TOOT. I don't know how, but Retro has made a 3D Metroid game in a first person perspective.
This is also the most polished looking and playing game I have ever played. These are my impressions and I'm only at 4% and 57 minutes into it. The game gets better and better with each new passageway I find. Damn, why do I have to work? :x
Please stop giving your impressions! I can't take it anymore!
Must.. play.. Metroid.... Prime!
I got even more hyped by playing through SM, and I'm working on MF. Both flat-out awesome games.. man, I can't wait for the afternoon. It's Super Metroid in 3D, damnit. And not like Sega's GUNVALKYRIE, which was more action than adventure..
But really Metroid! Samus Aran! Ice Beam! Ball form! Nintendo! And this time Shiggy worked on it! Come to me, MP!
gamepro 90%
That GamePro score is better then it sounds too, because it was actually a 4.5 out of 5 and GamePro's scores only go up in 0.5 increments, so a 4.5 is close to perfect with them.
Yep this game seems to be getting great scores from everyone so far. From not knowing anything about Metroid I find myself getting extremely hyped for this game, more hyped then for any other (that included Zelda). I even got Super Metroid on a SNES emu the other day and have started playing it for the first time :)
BTW I just noticed that GameRankings have removed the 10/10 from Gamers.com (EGM). I wonder why?
I think they might of finally gotten fed up with the 10/10 reviews.. albeit that many of the games deserved it.
Like Metroid Prime, and maybe.. just maybe Super Mario Sunshine and Ratchet & Clank. SMS = 94/100 (I agree with GameSpy on this game :)) and R&C got high marks on IGN.. but you could round them up..
I think they might of finally gotten fed up with the 10/10 reviews.. albeit that many of the games deserved it.
Nah that can't be it, they only just added another 10/10 to MP's page, but they've removed the games.com/EGM 10/10 for some strange reason.
Magnum PI
19-Nov-2002, 18:51
i see evil microsoft at work !
i don't know why but i believe bill gates is personally involved in this anti-MP conspiration !
They may have realised that the review wasn't technically from Gamers.com (it was from EGM) and so they'll hopefully put it back once they see the EGM review.
CaptainHowdy
19-Nov-2002, 21:30
I think they might of finally gotten fed up with the 10/10 reviews.. albeit that many of the games deserved it.
Like Metroid Prime, and maybe.. just maybe Super Mario Sunshine and Ratchet & Clank. SMS = 94/100 (I agree with GameSpy on this game :)) and R&C got high marks on IGN.. but you could round them up..
I dont think Mario Sunshine deserves a 10/10, it has plenty of faults ,its a great game but far from perfect, I am about 4 hours into prime, so far..perfection, I dont have a single complaint.
Just spare a thought for people with PAL GameCube's like me. I won't be playing Metroid Prime for 3 to 4 months apparently.. and it makes me sick! :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
My only hope is that Freeloader is finally soon released so I can get the U.S version sooner.
CaptainHowdy
20-Nov-2002, 00:40
Teasy, www.goblindirect.com
check it out, get MP at a reasonable price, and get freeloader to play it with ..
Thanks for the link CaptainHowdy. But unfortunately Freeloader still isn't out and the release has now been out back many times. It might not even be out this year :(
Although I am tempted by this offer:
http://www.goblindirect.com/MainContent/prodDetail.asp?prodID=1174&productCat=GameCube
Its a Platinum US GameCube, stepdown converter, memory card, Metroid Prime, Controller and VA leads for £169 ($266). I wish I could afford that.. maybe if I sold my PAL cube I could afford the US one... hmmmm
TheMightyPuck
20-Nov-2002, 02:43
well at least you guy's are (amazingly) through in the CL :D
TheMightyPuck
20-Nov-2002, 02:44
Forgot to say: gotta run--date with Samus :D
mkillio
20-Nov-2002, 03:40
The thermal Visor is really cool looking and works very well, the spider ball is neat too.
iscariot
20-Nov-2002, 04:15
BTW I just noticed that GameRankings have removed the 10/10 from Gamers.com (EGM). I wonder why?
FYi, they did this with all games from gamers.com. THey didnt remove it either, its just under the review section that doesnt contribute to the average GR score...
I played prime for about and hour and a half and all I can say is DAMN. This game is the epitomy of videogaming. Never before have I seen a game so well rounded from top to bottom. From graphics to sound to enemies and bosses to level design..oh that freaking AWSOME level design..prolly the best I've ever seen. I'm not quiet ready to claim it the best I've played..but it's been a long time since I've been in that 'zone'..it's damn sure up there with the greats like Zelda:OOT, Castlevania and ..well..Super Metroid. MP is eerie as hell..dark and moody and the story through scanning is hella cool..you learn about what the hel happened to those poor souls and it just is chilling.
I also bought Splinter Cell and Metroid Fusion. They'er still in plastic wraps. Now that's saying alot. I'll check them out tommorrow..right now I've got to me my new/old girlfriend Samus.
StefanS
20-Nov-2002, 05:53
Just spare a thought for people with PAL GameCube's like me. I won't be playing Metroid Prime for 3 to 4 months apparently.. and it makes me sick! :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
My only hope is that Freeloader is finally soon released so I can get the U.S version sooner.
I can understand your feelings because I am from Europe, too. But at least Metroid Fusion arrives soon. I hope this cheers you up a bit. :lol:
PC-Engine
20-Nov-2002, 10:44
Thanks for the link CaptainHowdy. But unfortunately Freeloader still isn't out and the release has now been out back many times. It might not even be out this year :(
Although I am tempted by this offer:
http://www.goblindirect.com/MainContent/prodDetail.asp?prodID=1174&productCat=GameCube
Its a Platinum US GameCube, stepdown converter, memory card, Metroid Prime, Controller and VA leads for £169 ($266). I wish I could afford that.. maybe if I sold my PAL cube I could afford the US one... hmmmm
Why don't you just mod your GCN? It's pretty simple. You could even have it done for you for a low fee.
well at least you guy's are (amazingly) through in the CL
Yeah that was some night :)
Why don't you just mod your GCN? It's pretty simple. You could even have it done for you for a low fee.
AFAIK PAL GC's can't be modded.. or not so far anyway. I know that the NTSC cubes can be modded from Jap to U.S and U.S to Jap, but I heard that's because those consoles have both the Jap and U.S BIOS built in, there basically identical consoles just wired slightly differently to use one BIOS or the other. But PAL cubes are actually quite different, only on PAL BIOS.
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