Next Gen Nokia ?

[Kristof]

http://www.nokia-americaspress.com/E3/nextgen.asp?P=NG

Video :

http://www.nokia-americaspress.com/uploads/videos.asp?P=VID&ID=22

Not a lot of details...

[roninja]

Can we assume Nokia are using MBX for these screen shots - OMAP 2420 perhaps?

[Kristof]

Can we assume Nokia are using MBX for these screen shots - OMAP 2420 perhaps?

Dunno, no comment, <shrug>, etc...

Just because I post something it does not necessarily mean something cough Rob-Evans cough... just posted it since it had not yet shown up and its related to Handheld 3D.

K-

[roninja]

Yes but also a nice picture in the London Evening standard of a Nokia flip phone with the same image.

[darkblu]

it was about freakin' time. happen to have any more mbx-unrelated nokia-originated material?

[Rob Evans]

Can we assume Nokia are using MBX for these screen shots - OMAP 2420 perhaps?

Dunno, no comment, <shrug>, etc...

Just because I post something it does not necessarily mean something cough Rob-Evans cough... just posted it since it had not yet shown up and its related to Handheld 3D.

K-

LOL!! Fair enough!

However, that video certainly doesn't look like software 3D to me, and since Nokia series 60 use TI OMAP processors, I don't think it is a massive leap to conclude that the video came from an OMAP2420 (with MBX+VGP).

I'd be interested to hear any altenative explanation.

Rob.

[Kristof]

LOL!! Fair enough!

Happy hunting :lol:

[Lazy8s]

What kind of benchmarking has Futuremark done with MBX besides this demo?

[Rob Evans]

Happy hunting :lol:

Ok - credit to illogig on iii

From http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1817518,00.asp


Nokia also announced that a redesigned N-Gage will be announced this fall. This "next-generation gaming platform" launch will include devices, content and partners. But the existing QD will not be phased out—the company plans on selling it through 2007 and beyond.

The platform will be built around a refreshed Texas Instruments OMAP chip set, delivering what Nokia described as real 3D graphics in a handheld platform. The video demonstration of that performance was impressive, albeit obviously canned.

Now tell me that they aren't referring to the OMAP2420! :D

Rob.

[amk]

Nokia announced an announcement then?

I'm rather hoping Nokia is using an unnanounced OMAP 2 chip with a higher clocked MBX. OMAP 2420's 330MHz ARM11 + 220MHz DSP + 50MHz MBX/VGP seems a little VPU light for a gaming platform, as TI have (allegedly) shown MBX at 200MHz on (afaik) the same 90nm process.

Anyway, cute demo, and seems to compare favourably to PSP in terms of performance. Now, if Nokia can get the ergonomics, screen, battery life right, maybe they can stop people laughing at them.

[Rob Evans]

Anyway, cute demo, and seems to compare favourably to PSP in terms of performance. Now, if Nokia can get the ergonomics, screen, battery life right, maybe they can stop people laughing at them.

How about this for ergonomics - http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,2393,l=&s=1479&a=152242&po=1,00.asp

Just a concept, but at least Nokia are thinking in the right direction.

Rob.

[Lazy8s]

Image quality looked high.

MBX should help with the battery life part, at least. It seems like Nokia might be making the next generation N-Gage into a platform to be used across multiple models of their phones as opposed to a particular game machine like before.

[TEXAN]

So it's official then?

Ngage 2 MBX powered!

Hopefully they use the 200Mhz version of 2420 that they showed at ISSCC.

[Ailuros]

So it's official then?

Ngage 2 MBX powered!

Hopefully they use the 200Mhz version of 2420 that they showed at ISSCC.

Did they actually show anything @200MHz or are the cores in question just being worked on currently in the fab?

[Ailuros]

Can we assume Nokia are using MBX for these screen shots - OMAP 2420 perhaps?

Dunno, no comment, <shrug>, etc...

Just because I post something it does not necessarily mean something cough Rob-Evans cough... just posted it since it had not yet shown up and its related to Handheld 3D.

K-

Nothing comes for free in 3D (Kristof Beets(tm))

Nothing coming from a company representative is a coincidence (AiL(tm))

*snicker* :lol:

[Nappe1]

So it's official then?

Ngage 2 MBX powered!

Hopefully they use the 200Mhz version of 2420 that they showed at ISSCC.

nothing is official until you have it in your hand. (PoorBastard's soul that has been f*cked up by too much hype forehand(tm.))


until there's press release in Nokia / PowerVR / Texas Instruments -site, I'd say it is most likely to have MBX. (but that's still quite far from being official.)

[TEXAN]

So it's official then?

Ngage 2 MBX powered!

Hopefully they use the 200Mhz version of 2420 that they showed at ISSCC.

Did they actually show anything @200MHz or are the cores in question just being worked on currently in the fab?

The MBX in the OMAP2420 (silicon was shown at ISSCC) was in 90nm and clocked at 200 MHz. Area is around 10mm^2.

Who in the mobile space has shown pixel shading in real silicon?

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20500&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sta rt=0

[Clashman]

Concept images for Ngage 2?

http://engadget.com/entry/1234000650043915/

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/6448013811277656.JPG?0.9242260649013111

[Nappe1]

Concept images for Ngage 2?

http://engadget.com/entry/1234000650043915/

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/6448013811277656.JPG?0.9242260649013111

acording to E3 presentation (I saw a video from it somewhere... can't remember in which site...) that's just one of the things they have been testing and They said it's going to be a more like whole series of phones, instead of just a single device.

[MfA]

They need to have a landscape view model out at release ... it would be a shame if they dug themselves into the vertical screen hole of suckiness with this platform. If such a model isnt out at release then for reasons of compatibility it would seem unlikely to happen after the fact.

Listen to that concept artist Nokia!

[amk]

Another concept pic (http://www.mobileburn.com/imagepop.jsp?file=%3Cimg+src%3D%22media%2Fnokia%2F concept%2Fthumb_concept_phone_open.jpg%22+width%3D %22108%22+height%3D%22150%22+alt%3D%22Nokia+Concep t+Phone%22+border%3D%220%22%3E)
(Claimed) Screen cap of tech demo (http://www.mobileburn.com/imagepop.jsp?file=%3Cimg+src%3D%22media%2Fnokia%2F concept%2Fthumb_game_screen.jpg%22+width%3D%22150% 22+height%3D%22113%22+alt%3D%22New+Graphic+Engine+ Screen+Capture%22+border%3D%220%22%3E)
In case anyone thought the demo was fake (http://www.nokia-americaspress.com/uploads/videos.asp?P=VID&ID=34)

The screen cap is 600x450. Good AA, nice lighting.

Gerard Wiener made a point of the concept phone's landscape, 16:9 screen, so I'd have thought it was decided upon.

I'd like too see what kind of real time 3D physics this thing could do. The ARM11 should be powerful, and it has a VGP to help with the geometry load.

More details at ECTS perhaps? It's obvious why Nokia wouldn't want to compete with XBox360/PS3/Revolution launches.

[Ailuros]

So it's official then?

Ngage 2 MBX powered!

Hopefully they use the 200Mhz version of 2420 that they showed at ISSCC.

Did they actually show anything @200MHz or are the cores in question just being worked on currently in the fab?

The MBX in the OMAP2420 (silicon was shown at ISSCC) was in 90nm and clocked at 200 MHz. Area is around 10mm^2.

Who in the mobile space has shown pixel shading in real silicon?

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20500&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sta rt=0



http://www.imgtec.com/news/Release/index.asp?ID=243

TI and Imagination will be demonstrating PowerVR Racer on a TI OMAP2420 development platform at CTIA Wireless in New Orleans, March 14 – 16.

If my memory serves me well I think the devboard at CTIA contained an MBX@~50MHz and running PVR Racer with 4xFSAA with 45-175fps low/high peaks. Any half way reasonable explanation why they didn't show anything with a higher frequency?

[Ailuros]

So it's official then?

Ngage 2 MBX powered!

Hopefully they use the 200Mhz version of 2420 that they showed at ISSCC.

nothing is official until you have it in your hand. (PoorBastard's soul that has been f*cked up by too much hype forehand(tm.))


until there's press release in Nokia / PowerVR / Texas Instruments -site, I'd say it is most likely to have MBX. (but that's still quite far from being official.)

NOKIA is (as most know) one of TI's biggest customers. TI is actually working on a 90nm@200MHz MBX variant and as I said again, they must have at least one interested customer for such a strong 3D core. I cannot imagine 10mm^2 just for MBX in the SoC to not be overkill for both a PDA or a mobile phone.

Assuming NGage2 will contain a MBX isn't necessarily unsafe, yet the exaggerated enthusiasm is still there.