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What the hell? Wipeout Pure 30 fps? :evil: I was actually looking forward to that, but damn that to hell as well then. Fusion was heaven bliss thanks to the 60 Hz framerate (disabled weapons and there wasn't any slowdown). Maybe it's alright for a handheld, but damn, RidgeRacers is 60 as well and I can't imagine playing a wipeout at anytihng below 60 anymore.
What are devs thinking nowdays? I thought it looked somewhat 'slow' [in videos] and a bit... hmm... unprecise in the way ships handled, but I thought that was more due to the lower class races rather than the framerate.
Meh. First they cheat us fans in not bringing a sequel to PS2 and then they release it on PSP and handicap the framerate. :cry:
Hmm, I was under the impression that Pure ran above 30. Not 60, and not always steady, but above 30. I'll have to google that sometime...
Anyway, don't let that deter you, Phil. I know how important 60fps is to you in a racer, but honestly, when I play it, it never even occurs to me. And I switch back and forth between RR and WP all the time.
blame Microsoft they cheated everybody with releasing
Forza and project gotham on 30fps also..
what's to bitch about? the game is fantastic and fluid.
if you think the games is slow, you maybe have a different copy then I do..
especially the later vehicles and courses are superfast
PC-Engine
07-May-2005, 14:13
Maybe it's 30fps to reduce ghosting of the slow response time of PSP's LCD? :wink:
RR is able to hide ghosting to a degree by using a lot of motion blur...
pahcman
07-May-2005, 14:45
yes 30fps with slowdowns and plenty jaggies. in old days, games slowdowns were thought as good slow motion movie effect! but jaggies take time get used to...
really this number of framerate game is subconciosly infecting the enjoyment of real games! sometime if given a blind test i bet some cant tell as clear as they think they can.
i see no ghosting in wipeout.
but i have ff:ac trailer, think spotted some discoloration. i not have the original trailer to compare. i can upload if someone want test on their psp.
pahcman
07-May-2005, 15:23
i hear RR Ai dumbass way to easy. well wipeout ai seem fun and aggressive explosive race. its really a good portable game to take. the loading is even shorter than lumines (but more often) and i think battery use is smaller. web browser seal the deal!
just dont think 30fps 30fps its bad its bad 30fps ... then of corse it WILL be bad! the brain far mighter than the pen is!
wtf are you talking about? hhuuhhahah...
ah but you have a good point! i agree :)
Maybe it's 30fps to reduce ghosting of the slow response time of PSP's LCD? :wink:
RR is able to hide ghosting to a degree by using a lot of motion blur...
Can we ban PC-Engine from any PSP or Sony related threads in general? Please?
And why is chap still around, despite numerous bannings...?
PC-Engine
07-May-2005, 17:02
Maybe it's 30fps to reduce ghosting of the slow response time of PSP's LCD? :wink:
RR is able to hide ghosting to a degree by using a lot of motion blur...
Can we ban PC-Engine from any PSP or Sony related threads in general? Please?
And why is chap still around, despite numerous bannings...?
Why because I'm contributing valid information that you don't like to hear?
see colon
07-May-2005, 17:13
i have to agree with pc engine. rr is one of the most tollerable games IRT the PSP's ghosting. some people can't see it, but i know i can. in fact, i can't play untold legends, tony hawk, or spiderman 2 because the ghosting makes me motion sick. for the record i've never been motion sick while playing a handheld before, and the only game that's ever made be ill was conkers BFD for n64.
Maybe it's 30fps to reduce ghosting of the slow response time of PSP's LCD? :wink:
RR is able to hide ghosting to a degree by using a lot of motion blur...
Can we ban PC-Engine from any PSP or Sony related threads in general? Please?
And why is chap still around, despite numerous bannings...?
Why because I'm contributing valid information that you don't like to hear?
What, valid information like "RR hides ghosting by using a lot of motion blur" - even though it doesn't?
Come off it. Stop being such a f@nboy.
PC-Engine
07-May-2005, 18:43
A lot of people confuse the intentional motion blur in RR with the real ghosting that happens from the LCD. There is real ghosting but some people don't like to hear it so they make excuses like how RR uses motion blur so it's not the LCD. That's all I wanted to point out.
Again, it's not the content of the message so much as the obvious attempt to troll that it's presented in.
Remember, I'm the one who first said the LCD screen has ghosting (via our devkits), so I'm not trying to cover anything up.
PC-Engine
07-May-2005, 19:37
Again, it's not the content of the message so much as the obvious attempt to troll that it's presented in.
Remember, I'm the one who first said the LCD screen has ghosting (via our devkits), so I'm not trying to cover anything up.
Whether it's an attempt to troll or not is irrelevent as long as the facts are intact...
Regardless trolling is up to ones own interpretation based on ones own preconceived biases. :wink:
Ex. X poster is a troll therefore every post from X is trolling....eerrrr wrong.
Ty . How else could that information be presented ? How could it be presented in a way that it wouldn't be trolling ?
It is a negative comment about the psp screen. But at the same time its a real valid issue . I don't think its trolling to point it out and if it is the reason why the game runs at 30 then what is the problem ?
Remember, I'm the one who first said the LCD screen has ghosting (via our devkits), so I'm not trying to cover anything up.
So what is the problem with Pc engine pointing it out as a reason why this title could be running at 30fps ? I don't see any trolling in his post . What i see is that someone didn't like what he said and automaticly jumped to calling him a troll because it was a valid point that said person couldn't argue against . And by doing that has exposed himself as a troll
PC-Engine
07-May-2005, 19:46
Exactly.
What the hell? Wipeout Pure 30 fps? I was actually looking forward to that, but damn that to hell as well then. Fusion was heaven bliss thanks to the 60 Hz framerate (disabled weapons and there wasn't any slowdown). Maybe it's alright for a handheld, but damn, RidgeRacers is 60 as well and I can't imagine playing a wipeout at anytihng below 60 anymore.
The Wipeouts on the PSone, the good ones, were all 30fps.
And Pure is a very good Wipeout, therefore, we can conclude witout a shadow of doubt that there's a mysterious link between 30Hz refresh rate and the inherent quality of the Wipeout. QED.
:wink:
What are devs thinking nowdays? I thought it looked somewhat 'slow' [in videos] and a bit... hmm... unprecise in the way ships handled, but I thought that was more due to the lower class races rather than the framerate
As far as we're talking about videos, the framerate can hardly be responsible for the sense of speed the game creates.
The game in the higher Classes is fast as hell, so the videos you saw must have been from the lower class (Vector or Venom).
The Wipeouts on the PSone, the good ones, were all 30fps.
And Pure is a very good Wipeout, therefore, we can conclude witout a shadow of doubt that there's a mysterious link between 30Hz refresh rate and the inherent quality of the Wipeout. QED.
While I'm not arguing that Fusion was better than the old Wipeouts, the framerate made it one of the greatest experiences this generation for me. The speed far surpassed anything the PSone ever offered - heck, surpassed anything this generation AFAIC.
Oh well, I guess I'll have to give it a try when it comes out in Europe. Will take a few months though... maybe they'll improve it until then? :twisted: hehe, just kidding. :D
london-boy
08-May-2005, 13:09
The Wipeouts on the PSone, the good ones, were all 30fps.
And Pure is a very good Wipeout, therefore, we can conclude witout a shadow of doubt that there's a mysterious link between 30Hz refresh rate and the inherent quality of the Wipeout. QED.
While I'm not arguing that Fusion was better than the old Wipeouts, the framerate made it one of the greatest experiences this generation for me. The speed far surpassed anything the PSone ever offered - heck, surpassed anything this generation AFAIC.
What?! Fusion had a very irritatingly unstable framerate, and seen how fusyy you are about framerates i'm surprised you don't think the same. It was fast, yeah, but really, the slowdowns put me off a little bit...
And it has certainly been surpassed in this generation in terms of speed, if only by the Burnout series, which are crazily fast, without a hint of slowdown.
Phil: Fusion.. faster than F-Zero GX? :)
Anywho.. Wipeout Pure is around 30fps but that's okay. In my hours with the game, I've never felt that the framerate hindered anything. That said, I'm not that far (just unlocked the third speed level) and things might go downhill as the racers get faster.
For now, though.. 60fps is just a minor luxury for a game like this.
What?! Fusion had a very irritatingly unstable framerate, and seen how fusyy you are about framerates i'm surprised you don't think the same. It was fast, yeah, but really, the slowdowns put me off a little bit...
Fusion was heaven bliss thanks to the 60 Hz framerate (disabled weapons and there wasn't any slowdown).
Slowdown only occured during intense battles and mostly when you did the earthquake weapon in addition to missiles or many other ships on the screen. Disable weapons and there was no slowdown. Zonemode didn't feature any either...
And it has certainly been surpassed in this generation in terms of speed, if only by the Burnout series, which are crazily fast, without a hint of slowdown.
Phil: Fusion.. faster than F-Zero GX?
I have played both Burnout 3 (roughly completed it) and F-Zero GX (not that much admittedly) and I am fairly confident that they're not faster than Wipeout (B3 definately is a long way off). I guess it simply depends on what level you manage to get in Fusion [Zonemode] - I've been around level 40+ (not sure how far anymore, but I was actually among the 30 highest internationally on the first zonemode track). I'm not sure if there's a faster level than the one I witnessed in F-Zero, but a friend who has the game and watched me play Zonemode claimed Wipeout was faster... It's insane anyway, after the 40+ levels your eyes start to tear anyway... :wink:
rabidrabbit
08-May-2005, 16:28
Ok, then are we now going to make a new topic of every game that runs 30fps.
Shall we make them retroactively, then I suggest we only include games from this gen onwards.
:roll: :D
Whether it's an attempt to troll or not is irrelevent as long as the facts are intact...
Incorrect. This statement would seem to indicate that you believe that as long as there are facts in the statement ANY tone conveyed in the post is acceptable.
Regardless trolling is up to ones own interpretation based on ones own preconceived biases. :wink:
This IS true and certainly a fine line for the mods (and forum participators) to watch. That does not mean, however, that a standard should not apply to all forum participators.
Ty . How else could that information be presented ? How could it be presented in a way that it wouldn't be trolling ?
I'd lose the wink, that's all.
For PC-Engine, it really comes to down to his tone and abuse of emoticons - something that was mentioned by many here on the boards. He's definately calmed down some and backtracked a huge amount on attitude which shows some promise for him in the future.
Got Wipeout Pure today - it may "only" be 30fps, but damn it's one sexy looking game :)
Got Lumines today as well, which is also sexy.
I love my PSP :D
For PC-Engine, it really comes to down to his tone and abuse of emoticons - something that was mentioned by many here on the boards. He's definately calmed down some and backtracked a huge amount on attitude which shows some promise for him in the future. well honestly there are other offenders to the emoticons that surpass pc .
I think some people read to much into it because of prior experiances with pc-engine
well honestly there are other offenders to the emoticons that surpass pc .
I think you're going to have a ton of people disagree with you. Did you read Shifty Geezer's eloquent and mature post on this? The one where PCE then turned around and accused him of "smoking some whacky sh$t"?
I think some people read to much into it because of prior experiances with pc-engine
Yes, this is VERY possible however you have to ask yourself WHY so many people have issues or get into verbal battles with him? Why are so many threads he's participated in locked or needed to be pruned? Is everyone else "wrong"?
Reputations work both ways. You have guys like Archie, Faf, ERP, Panajev, nAo, Simon F, etc. who have proven themselves as HUGE technical knowledge points. When these guys speak, everyone knows that they know what they're talking about (well at least technically - not sure if they're as knowledgable about the fairer sex. ;) )
But on the other end of the spectrum as guys like Chap, Deadmeat, hozv, etc. who have proven themselves to be a detriment to good, open, and adult communication.
The funny thing is many months ago I even told in a PM that because he's building up such a negative reputation that anything he says is now going to be colored fairly or unfairly by how others judge him. I think he turned around and called me an idiot or something.
But hey, if he's willing to turn over a new leaf than I think that's great (and quite honestly, so far he's been pretty good imo though this has been what, the 3rd or 4th time he's been warned about being banned?)
Anyhow at this point, I think we're being unfair to him to discuss this any further. You have my name if you want to continue this in PM. :)
I think you're going to have a ton of people disagree with you. Did you read Shifty Geezer's eloquent and mature post on this? The one where PCE then turned around and accused him of "smoking some whacky sh$t"? there are many people who do this . I read 90% of all threads posted here .
Yes, this is VERY possible however you have to ask yourself WHY so many people have issues or get into verbal battles with him? Why are so many threads he's participated in locked or needed to be pruned? Is everyone else "wrong"?
I highly doubt so many people don't get along with him because he is an a hole . Though i'm sure some don't get along with him because of that . I also think some dismiss him or flame him because he isn't pro sony .
I have read just as many posts where someone started flaming him and throwing the topic off topic as him being the direct cause of throwing topics off topic .
So if he is banned for throwing threads off topic then there are many others who provoke him or totaly attack him and throw a thread off topic that need to be banned also .
But on the other end of the spectrum as guys like Chap, Deadmeat, hozv, etc. who have proven themselves to be a detriment to good, open, and adult communication.
and you have the people who know these people are problems and instead of ignoring them and just continueing on they instigate and incite more flames by attacking them. This to me makes them just as bad .
But hey, if he's willing to turn over a new leaf than I think that's great (and quite honestly, so far he's been pretty good imo though this has been what, the 3rd or 4th time he's been warned about being banned?)
He has been good for a very long time , its the people who don't like him that can't accept this . I've seen more flames attacking him in the last two months than i've seen him flaming anyone .
As for being warned about getting banned unless its from a mod its just empty chatter and if someone is going to tell another user they will get them banned that person themselves should stop talking and let the mods take care of things .
Anyhow at this point, I think we're being unfair to him to discuss this any further. You have my name if you want to continue this in PM.
at this point its moot . You were being unfair to him as soon as he posted in this thread . There was a wink which you took one way. I saw it as him reminding people the finds of others such as yourself and not as a flame war .
It was however those that followed (who ironicly claim pc-engine to be a bad seed ) who started the flame in this thread .
This is whats been happening time after time in regards to pc engine .
As for being warned about getting banned unless its from a mod its just empty chatter
He was openly warned a few times on the boards, much in the same way you (I think it was you) warned Deadmeat.
This is whats been happening time after time in regards to pc engine .
So he's really a victim in all of this?
Can you read this thread and tell me what Shifty Geezer said to warrant the response he got? Or the response I got?
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22317
This is not meant to sound inflammatory in anyway, but if these types of posts are OK by the mods, then I think we'd all like to know. The line should be clearly drawn as to what is OK and what is not. Maybe most of us are holding back too much?
This is whats been happening time after time in regards to pc engine .
So he's really a victim in all of this? recently yes . Esp in this thread. Though sometimes he is at fault .
But the blame pc-engine for everything is getting old and its not true at all.
mech wrote:
PC-Engine wrote:
Maybe it's 30fps to reduce ghosting of the slow response time of PSP's LCD?
RR is able to hide ghosting to a degree by using a lot of motion blur...
Can we ban PC-Engine from any PSP or Sony related threads in general? Please?
And why is chap still around, despite numerous bannings...?
HOnestly . The witch hunt against him is really getting out of hand . He posted a simple response in which others have agreed with (the ghosting) yet he was attacked . Why ? Because in this thread it apears a sony fan doesn't want any flaws in sony hardware pointed out .
Do you have another reason as to why this thread went to crap as it did ?
But the blame pc-engine for everything is getting old and its not true at all.
I agree to a point with this statement, that he certainly is NOT to blame for some of the arguments he gets into. In my previous post I even said this; that his reputation fairly or unfairly colors conversations he gets into. That said, I think you are simply protecting him because of your anti-Sony bias.
You can accuse me of having a Pro-Sony bias but I don't have a PS1, a PS2, or even a PSP. As you know, I have a DC, a GCN, and an XBox (bought in that order). As you know, I've openly stated that my belief is that Sony is going to lose major ground and MS is going to gain major ground in the upcoming generation. Am I biased?
Do you have another reason as to why this thread went to crap as it did ?
And what about all the other threads?
I agree to a point with this statement, that he certainly is NOT to blame for some of the arguments he gets into. In my previous post I even said this; that his reputation fairly or unfairly colors conversations he gets into. That said, I think you are simply protecting him because of your anti-Sony bias.
If that is what you belive that is fine . I see you constantly trying to get me to be negative to sony and cast other things in a postive light . Which i do not do . Though you and others try to do it .
You can accuse me of having a Pro-Sony bias but I don't have a PS1, a PS2, or even a PSP. As you know, I have a DC, a GCN, and an XBox (bought in that order). As you know, I've openly stated that my belief is that Sony is going to lose major ground and MS is going to gain major ground in the upcoming generation. Am I biased?
So i don't own a xbox or a ps1 , or a ps2 and i claim that the ps3 will keep the market lead but x360 will at least double thier user base , does that make me not bias ? Since after all you claim I'm bias but yet i'm in the same boat as you and you claim your not bias . So what is it ?
And what about all the other threads? If you have read my other posts I have talked about this . In some posts sure he is at fault . In others he is not .
But to ban him then i will have to ban those that are at fault in the other threads . That is of course only fair . Why should pc-engine be banned for starting flame wars or trolling and someone like mech who attacked him in this thread shouldn't be ?
Is it because mech is a sony fan and pc-engine is anti sony ?
london-boy
11-May-2005, 08:46
Is it because mech is a sony fan and pc-engine is anti sony ?
That's what it always comes down to isn't it, jvd... :roll:
Let's all praise our Lord PCEngine. He has calmed down. PLEASE!!! Let's make him a saint shall we...
The fact remains, PCEngine has been crapping on these boards for months, with the only intent to spread his "ideas" in a very uncivil way. HE has been given MANY last warnings, yet he's still here. Who cares if he's calmed down? He'll start again.
rabidrabbit
11-May-2005, 08:50
It's not the opinions of PC-Engine as much as the fact that he too often plain insults people who disagree, calling them names and such.
True, he's toned it down in recent weeks, but I was amazed the mods did not take any action when he was on full steam.
I've seen mods deleting posts for lesser reasons, makes one wonder if PC-Engine has some closer connections to some mods, other than sharing the same bias.
That's what it always comes down to isn't it, jvd...
No but in this thread it is .
Pc-engine said that the psp screen ghosts . Which is negative but true .
Mech comes in and calls for him being banned or not allowed to post in sony threads .
Its not anymore clear cut than that l-b . Its obvious in the context of this thread that mech attacked pc-engine because of him saying something anti sony .
Or are you going to claim otherwise ?
The fact remains, PCEngine has been crapping on these boards for months, with the only intent to spread his "ideas" in a very uncivil way. HE has been given MANY last warnings, yet he's still here. Who cares if he's calmed down? He'll start again.
People in glass houses l-b
Aside from that , its apparent that it is not pc-engine that needs to clam down. He is calm . Its the others that have an agenda for whatever reason that need to calm down.
Saying something negative about sony does not make the post a flame . Saying something negative against nintendo or ms does not make the post a flame . Its the content of the post that does or doesn't make it a flame .
Do you believe in this thread Pc-engine was trolling ? Even though ty was one of the first on thie forum to bring up the ghosting problem ?
Do you believe that mech is right in his post ?
It's not the opinions of PC-Engine as much as the fact that he too often plain insults people who disagree, calling them names and such. Like you did to me today ? The personal attack in the console forum is exactly what your claiming pc-engine should be banned for . So should you be banned for that ?
True, he's toned it down in recent weeks, but I was amazed the mods did not take any action when he was on full steam.
I've seen mods deleting posts for lesser reasons, makes one wonder if PC-Engine has some closer connections to some mods, other than sharing the same bias.
Heh you'd be amazed at what you know and what you don't know. You may see a post that you think is deleted for lesser reasons , but miss the other posts by the user in the thread that are deleted for a reason .
Now you say its because certian mods share a bias with him .
So am i wrong to assume that the fact your posting in this thread are due to your own bias ? Your bias for sony and your bias against me ? You have already personaly attacked me in a thread so its very blatent that you have a bias against me .
london-boy
11-May-2005, 09:03
Pc-engine said that the psp screen ghosts . Which is negative but true .
Mech comes in and calls for him being banned or not allowed to post in sony threads .
Its not anymore clear cut than that l-b . Its obvious in the context of this thread that mech attacked pc-engine because of him saying something anti sony .
Or are you going to claim otherwise ?
Aside from that , its apparent that it is not pc-engine that needs to clam down. He is calm . Its the others that have an agenda for whatever reason that need to calm down.
Saying something negative about sony does not make the post a flame . Saying something negative against nintendo or ms does not make the post a flame . Its the content of the post that does or doesn't make it a flame .
Do you believe in this thread Pc-engine was trolling ? Even though ty was one of the first on thie forum to bring up the ghosting problem ?
Do you believe that mech is right in his post ?
It's his consistent attacks. Every single posts he makes needs to remind people how stupid or how unprofessional certain companies are. Sometimes he's civil, many times he's just trolling.
You make it sound like he's the civil one and other people attack him for no reason whatsoever. Remember, he's the one who got MANY "last warnings". You should only be giving one of those before banning. Still, he's here, free to play nice to please you, jvd, so you can think he's "calmed down". Then it's back from square one when he feels he's safe.
If many people attack him is because they're frustrated after all these months of him crapping in every single thread he posts in, with useless posts. He hasn't done it here? FINE. That's not the point.
He even had the cheek last week (when i PMed you and you asked me what thread it was) to start insulting programmers who obviously have much more insight into things than he does.
So no, he hasn't calmed down "in recent weeks". He's calmed down in the last week when the shit hit the fan.
And thanks to you, thinking it's everyone else's fault and not his, he will probably not be banned. When it would be much more efficient to get rid of him once and for all (like he's been warned and "final" warned numerous times) to make this a much much much more civil place.
rabidrabbit
11-May-2005, 09:04
You mean when I said something like "(I hope not from jvd)", when I said average joe should ask a sales person if unsure of purchases.
That was a joke! I never thought you'd take it as an insult.
Ok, maybe it was a stab at that I see you somewhat biased, but that's not an insult like saying "you're dumb".
It's his consistent attacks. Every single posts he makes needs to remind people how stupid or how unprofessional certain companies are. Sometimes he's civil, many times he's just trolling.
You make it sound like he's the civil one and other people attack him.
If many people attack him is because they're frustrated after all these months of him crapping in every single thread he posts in, with useless posts. He hasn't done it here? FINE. That's not the point.
because most of the time he is civil and some of that time he is attacked. The rest of the time he may attack others .
As for useless posts you shouldn't talk . You have your fair share of useless posts in the console forum where you add nothing to the thread except an attack , a joke , a few smileys or something else of no value to the topic .
He even had the cheek last week (when i PMed you and you asked me what thread it was) to start insulting programmers who obviously have much more insight into things than he does.
So no, he hasn't calmed down "in recent weeks". He's calmed down in the last week when the shit hit the fan its funny but i never did get a response to what post that was .
I've been reading most of the posts here about 90% of the console forum posts and i think he is fine . Actually the only problem i see was this thread which wasn't his fault from the last few weeks .
And thanks to you, thinking it's everyone else's fault and not his, he will probably not be banned.
And this right here is the problem. You simply don't read .
I have already said that many times he is at fault . You skip that point completely because it doesn't further your agenda .
However in this post mech is at fault . Yet you still haven't answered the question of if mech should be banned for attacking pc-engine even though in this topic pc-engine hasn't done anything wrong .
When it would be much more efficient to get rid of him once and for all (like he's been warned and "final" warned numerous times) to make this a much much much more civil place. You seem to know alot about what goes on in terms of banning . I think you think you know alot . But i doubt you do .
I don't have final say in any bans , actually all i can do is suggest things . But before the ideas move out of the console forum it is talked about between the mods of the forum .
You mean when I said something like "(I hope not from jvd)", when I said average joe should ask a sales person if unsure of purchases.
That was a joke! I never thought you'd take it as an insult.
There was no indication that it was a joke and i've actually been pmed about that asking if i had seen the insult (which i did as soon as you posted it )
Ok, maybe it was a stab at that I see you somewhat biased, but that's not an insult like saying "you're dumb". It implys that i am bad at one of my jobs . How is that not an insult ?
rabidrabbit
11-May-2005, 09:19
Well, I sincerely apologise you then. I should've put a winky there ;)
Claiming you're being biased does not indicate you're bad at your job, you're paid to be somewhat biased! :lol:
hehe I bet it was PC-Engine who pm'd, or chap :lol:
No it was actually someone in good standing with everyone . Who just happened to see it
london-boy
11-May-2005, 09:24
As for useless posts you shouldn't talk . You have your fair share of useless posts in the console forum where you add nothing to the thread except an attack , a joke , a few smileys or something else of no value to the topic .
See that's the difference, i don't troll, i don't attack people and i certainly don't crap on any thread to further my own agenda against one single company. No one apart from you or sonic complained about me joking, in fact many people are more than happy with my wacky posts, but you don't like it because you're a mod and "it's not in the term and conditions to joke". But a lot of other members constantly complain about PCEngine. Why do you think that is? And before you say it, no, it's not because they're all Sony fanbois.
its funny but i never did get a response to what post that was .
Because Sonic took care of it, and now it's lost in the millions of threads in the kid's forum so i can't point to it.
I've been reading most of the posts here about 90% of the console forum posts and i think he is fine . Actually the only problem i see was this thread which wasn't his fault from the last few weeks .
Then you're blind. He even ruined a perfectly normal thread in the Hardware Forum, all because of his anti-Sony agenda.
And this right here is the problem. You simply don't read .
I have already said that many times he is at fault . You skip that point completely because it doesn't further your agenda .
I don't miss the point, you seem to miss it. You make it sound like he's the civil one and other people attack him for no reason whatsoever. Remember, he's the one who got MANY "last warnings". You should only be giving one of those before banning. Still, he's here, free to play nice to please you, jvd, so you can think he's "calmed down". Then it's back from square one when he feels he's safe.
That's the point.
However in this post mech is at fault . Yet you still haven't answered the question of if mech should be banned for attacking pc-engine even though in this topic pc-engine hasn't done anything wrong .
Well, if PCEngine is still around after having done that for MONTHS, why should mech be banned for doing it the first time? How is that fair?
PCEngine and mech are not on the same level. So, mech attacked him here, but it's obvious PCEngine has much more baggage than mech.
You seem to know alot about what goes on in terms of banning . I think you think you know alot . But i doubt you do .
I don't have final say in any bans , actually all i can do is suggest things . But before the ideas move out of the console forum it is talked about between the mods of the forum .
You know what the funny thing is, i really don't care if he's banned or not, what i care about is that ultimately, he will drive the serious posters away, and the reputation of this forum will go down the drain, like it has been for the last few months. I'll keep posting where i post the most, the General Forum. I really don't care, personally.
rabidrabbit
11-May-2005, 09:25
Ok then, whoever doesn't matter. Good to see member moderation works.
I just would have felt better if it was PC-E or chap :lol:
Did anyone pm you when PC-Engine was on his "you don't get it because you're just dumb" rampage?
I didn't, al though it was also directred at me on several occasions, quess I will from now on if such ever occurs.
Edit: What's happened to your spelling?
See that's the difference, i don't troll, i don't attack people and i certainly don't crap on any thread to further my own agenda against one single company. No one apart from you or sonic complained about me joking, in fact many people are more than happy with my wacky posts, but you don't like it because you're a mod and "it's not in the term and conditions to joke". But a lot of other members constantly complain about PCEngine. Why do you think that is? And before you say it, no, it's not because they're all Sony fanbois.
But you do throw threads off topic , post useless nonsense and other things . There is a general forum for topics to goof off on . There is no reason to high jack a thread and turn it into a big joke . Or to responed with smileys for no other reason to add another post to your count .
Yes some members do complain about pc-engine . I have recived complaints about him. I have also recived complaints about the people who like to instigate him or attack him also .
Then you're blind. He even ruined a perfectly normal thread in the Hardware Forum, all because of his anti-Sony agenda.
I'm blind because i missed a thread in the hardware forum ? Well by your stats its 1-1 between mech and pc-engine
I don't miss the point, you seem to miss it. You make it sound like he's the civil one and other people attack him for no reason whatsoever. Remember, he's the one who got MANY "last warnings". You should only be giving one of those before banning. Still, he's here, free to play nice to please you, jvd, so you can think he's "calmed down". Then it's back from square one when he feels he's safe.
That's the point.
Once again you miss the point completely .
Once again because it doesn't further your agenda . As for "last warnings" I have no clue where you get this from. I my self have never posted a last warning . Actually I don't think there ever has been a last warning . We simply tell the person not to post anymore and thats that , like in hovz case .
The real point however is if we do get rid of pc-engine there are still those who started flames to get him in trouble or for whatever reason that need to be gotten rid of too .
Well, if PCEngine is still around after having done that for MONTHS, why should mech be banned for doing it the first time? How is that fair?
PCEngine and mech are not on the same level. So, mech attacked him here, but it's obvious PCEngine has much more baggage than mech.
Perhaps in your view its that simple . But in my view if your going to attack someone you should get the same punishment .
So i ask again. Should i ban mech for attacking a member of this forum ?
You know what the funny thing is, i really don't care if he's banned or not, what i care about is that ultimately, he will drive the serious posters away, and the reputation of this forum will go down the drain, like it has been for the last few months. There are other kinds of posts that will drive away serious posters too. Not many people like to have a deep converstation about something to have it interupted by someone joking or quoting something followed by a bunch of smileys .
Neither should be tollerated and sonic and I try out best to keep the forums under control . Unfortunatly we are limited in our powers and make do with what we want and we don't bend to what a few users want . We don't ban someone because another member tells us to ban them and you go around telling people that they are going to get banned and that you have knowledge of them getting banned is not something you should be doing .
I'll keep posting where i post the most, the General Forum. I really don't care, personally. Actually it apears you do care very much .
I just would have felt better if it was PC-E or chap For what ? So that you can say oh well they are much worse than what i did ?
It seems to be the excuse for many of you . Oh what i do is okay cause its not as bad as this other guy next to me .
Did anyone pm you when PC-Engine was on his "you don't get it because you're just dumb" rampage?
I didn't, al though it was also directred at me on several occasions, quess I will from now on if such ever occurs.
people allways contact us . sometimes about threads we have just taken care of . Sometimes because of things we miss . It happens . Sometimes i log in and the forum has no yellow unread posts , so sometimes you miss a last post on a page .
Your free to pm us and we will see if we need to step in .
Edit: What's happened to your spelling? My spelling is allways bad , perhaps worse since its almost 5am
rabidrabbit
11-May-2005, 09:42
There was a smily on the end of that :wink:
No, I would've felt better because then I would have felt less less popular :)
I meant your spelling had improved a lot.
Shall we bring this thread back to tracks now.
london-boy
11-May-2005, 09:48
But you do throw threads off topic , post useless nonsense and other things . There is a general forum for topics to goof off on . There is no reason to high jack a thread and turn it into a big joke . Or to responed with smileys for no other reason to add another post to your count .
Yes some members do complain about pc-engine . I have recived complaints about him. I have also recived complaints about the people who like to instigate him or attack him also .
I can only say that i'm amazed. If you think i've ruined serious threads with useless jokes, then i can only go :?
I joke, yeah, but never post jokes in threads unless they're already somewhat joke-y.
I'm blind because i missed a thread in the hardware forum ? Well by your stats its 1-1 between mech and pc-engine
I never said that. But nevermind, jvd.
Once again you miss the point completely .
Once again because it doesn't further your agenda .
What would my agenda be? Oh wait, i'm a Sony fanboi?? I think i've proven many times that the name of a company doesn't interest me.
As for "last warnings" I have no clue where you get this from. I my self have never posted a last warning . Actually I don't think there ever has been a last warning .
Proof that you're blind. It wasn't you, then it was Sonic. Many "last warning, next tiem u're banned". Trust me, i'm on here a lot more than you are.
The real point however is if we do get rid of pc-engine there are still those who started flames to get him in trouble or for whatever reason that need to be gotten rid of too .
If they're constantly trolling as much as he is, of course you should ban them! But it's hard to find someone that does it as much as he does. But until he's safe behind you, who cares huh. You can always blame me for "joking around", though i never ruin serious threads like he does.
Perhaps in your view its that simple . But in my view if your going to attack someone you should get the same punishment .
That would be right yeah. Why is he still around?
So i ask again. Should i ban mech for attacking a member of this forum ?
For attacking someone once? After PCEngine has gotten away with it for months? How is that fair? Ban them both, if you think it's fair.
There are other kinds of posts that will drive away serious posters too. Not many people like to have a deep converstation about something to have it interupted by someone joking or quoting something followed by a bunch of smileys .
I NEVER ruin serious threads with my jokes.
Neither should be tollerated and sonic and I try out best to keep the forums under control . Unfortunatly we are limited in our powers and make do with what we want and we don't bend to what a few users want . We don't ban someone because another member tells us to ban them and you go around telling people that they are going to get banned and that you have knowledge of them getting banned is not something you should be doing .
You can't ban anyone, you "request them to be banned". And if you think the reason why PCEngine should be banned is because i ask you to, then you're missing the point entirely.
Actually it apears you do care very much .
I care very much about these boards because i'm on here all day and have been for years, of course i care. I don't care personally about the guy, i wish him a very happy life.
HOnestly . The witch hunt against him is really getting out of hand . He posted a simple response in which others have agreed with (the ghosting) yet he was attacked . Why ? Because in this thread it apears a sony fan doesn't want any flaws in sony hardware pointed out .
jvd, stop lying to get your point across.
HOnestly . The witch hunt against him is really getting out of hand . He posted a simple response in which others have agreed with (the ghosting) yet he was attacked . Why ? Because in this thread it apears a sony fan doesn't want any flaws in sony hardware pointed out .
He posted a simple response?
Hey, let's check out his original post:
Maybe it's 30fps to reduce ghosting of the slow response time of PSP's LCD? ;)
RR is able to hide ghosting to a degree by using a lot of motion blur...
Oh, that's a simple, not trolling response is it? MY MISTAKE.
PSP's LCD has a great response time, and Ridge Racer isn't trying to "hide" ghosting by using motion blur.
I TOTALLY agree that ghosting is apparent on PSP's LCD screen btw, and have never said otherwise. You're arguing things that simply aren't there.
My beef with PC-Engine was him trying to throw in an insult against the console and for WHAT? No good reason, he just threw it in there. I'd had enough of his shit over recent days, the guy just does not quit.
I'm yet to see "any" motion blur in Ridge Racer, let alone "a lot", which is why I said he was posting crap...
But to ban him then i will have to ban those that are at fault in the other threads . That is of course only fair . Why should pc-engine be banned for starting flame wars or trolling and someone like mech who attacked him in this thread shouldn't be ?
He started trolling, not me. Sorry, we shouldn't call people out for trolling? We should just put up with it?
Is it because mech is a sony fan and pc-engine is anti sony ?
Lol, I don't go with one particular company - I've been labeled an Xbox fanboi, a Nintendo fanboi, a Sony fanboi.. I own all consoles out there, and I just get shitty when people needlessly attack other consoles. I don't care which console does well, cos I just buy 'em all ;)
Pc-engine said that the psp screen ghosts . Which is negative but true .
If you had even READ his post you would know that's not what he said.
Its not anymore clear cut than that l-b .
Except that you didn't even read what he wrote...
pahcman
11-May-2005, 15:54
PSP's LCD has a great response time, and Ridge Racer isn't trying to "hide" ghosting by using motion blur.
I TOTALLY agree that ghosting is apparent on PSP's LCD screen btw, and have never said otherwise. You're arguing things that simply aren't there.
My beef with PC-Engine was him trying to throw in an insult against the console and for WHAT? No good reason, he just threw it in there. I'd had enough of his shit over recent days, the guy just does not quit
psp lcd rt is 25ms iirc, but today standard, it is not great...looking at 4ms now..
same time, lcd with fast response time mean less colors more dithering. psp has 16.77m colors and that is part reason why psp screen so pretty and yes.. come with.. have slow response time..
i dont see why u say pce troll or insult what pretty seem right.
Actually I don't think there ever has been a last warning .
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=470047&highlight=last+warning#4700 47
We simply tell the person not to post anymore and thats that , like in hovz case .
If hovz is still here, then that's a shame. Still he trolled way less than PCE.
Will you read the this thread and tell me where Shifty Geezer deserved the reply that he got.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22317&postdays=0&postorder=asc&sta rt=0
Or how about the thread where rabid mentioned that he's getting a PSP and PCE said, "Hope you don't get any stuck pixels!" Which, when considering their relationship can hardly be construed as a joke.
Or when LB said something which turned out to be wrong, and PCE said, "LB got owned". Which, when considering their relationship can hardly be a joke as well.
The funny thing is, no one went after PCE when he posted the fake Zelda screenshot as Zelda on Revolution. No one really went after him when he called the Revolution's CPU Tarantula. So though I agree that he has a contentious relationship with some, it's not as if there is a witch hunt out to get him.
Frankly, I'm also surprised that anyone else spoke up. There are a lot of silent voices that are behind our point of view.
pahcman,
The viewing angle also impacts the amount of "ghosting". The greater the view angle, the greater the "ghosting".
People should know my take on PC-Engine's as well as the mods posting habits - but could you please continue this discussion in the site feedback area (I'll be happy to participate in there too)? Not only will there be more attention in there but they might be even something done about it. Lets keep this thread about wipeout (I even changed the title to widen the discussion beyond framerate issues).
Thanks.
Yes if you want to continue talking aobut it lets do so on the site feedback section or through ims
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