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Ok take it how ever you want to and don't shoot the messenger :) This info is supposed to be from a ex Nintendo employee currently working on a Revolution title published by Sega. A lot of it is stuff we've already heard just fleshed out a little bit and some is new (not sure how much is knew in the bit I've quoted though).
It does all seem quite plausible, nothing outragous here, so it could very well be real. Its also very long (if you want absolutely all the info given anyway). But I'll just quote the initial comments and post a link to all the rest of it:
Aries Says:
April 26th, 2005 at 4:41 pm
Here you go:
Brooke got some things right, but much of it is flawed. I don’t know whether he just made up a lot of that stuff, because many of the points have been disproven before. For instance, Game Informer wrote an article on the next generation consoles in which it claims the Revolution’s controller will have one giant touch screen. I’m thinking this is where Brooke got that idea. The Revolution will not have a touch screen. Iwata has stated this before. The controller will be quite normal in the sense that it will have a d-pad and buttons. Like I said, I’m not going to tell you the revolutionary aspect of the system. Nintendo has some cool pre E3 plans for that.
First off, the 3D visuals he mentioned have nothing to do with the system. Nintendo isn’t crazy.
It will also have gyroscopic controls, but like Brooke said, not all the games will use it. For instance, earlier I mentioned Nintendo has a Halo killer in development for the Revolution. This game will use the gyroscopic controls for aiming as wel as other things. Our game isn’t using this function.
The controller will be wireless; he’s right about that. As you also know, the Xbox 360’s controllers will be wireless as well. Where do you think they got this idea? That’s why Nintendo is still trying to determine what to show at E3. From what I’ve heard, they will show the design of the system as well as games. I’ll tell you about the software later though.
The controller will also be pressure sensitive. The pressure you put into it will determine certain things, such as movement. This is another optional capibility. Someone on Nintendo’s board mentioned this months ago. They said that “touching is good, but feeling is better.” This may sound strange, but it provides great controls. Racing games will really be helped by this control setting.
The Nintendo Revolution will also include voice control more advanced than anything seen so far. Nintendogs is just the beginning. To achieve this, Nintendo sent us headsets (similar to ones you can use for Xbox Live) that are wirelessless communicating with the console. Imagine being able to merely call for an airstrike or reload your gun by giving out commands orally. So far, we have put this feature to the test the most; as you can see, I’m excited over this feature.
From a graphical perspective, the Nintendo Revolution is very powerful. Many people seem to think this won’t be the case, but rest assured. The games I saw while working at Nintendo were very beautiful. I’ll tell you about those later.
As Nintendo has stated before, the system will be online. In my eyes, the online system they have set up is the most revolutionary part of the system. While Sony and Microsoft are busy turning their systems into trojan horses for their other electronic devices, Nintendo is going to use the Revolution for direct communication with gamers. The only way I can describe it is as an internet service. Imagine turning it on and checking your mail on the system. You see previews and demos of DS and Revolution games that you can download. A magazine similar to Nintendo Power will be exclusive to the system, and you will be able to access it on the Revolution’s homepage. As you check you mail, you will also see various invitations from gamers on your buddy list who want to play you. There are so many other ways this is going to be used. Once the Revolution comes out, there will be no reason to hang out on message boards. Message boards as well as chat rooms will be available on the Revolution so that gamers can discuss and challenge each other all day. And the best thing is that the entire thing is totally free and easy to use. Why play Madden on Xbox Live when you’ll be able to play it for free on the Revolution with much better services?
That’s all I’m going to reveal for now. There are some very interesting games in the horizon for the Revolution; I’ll talk about them later.
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Aries Says:
April 26th, 2005 at 5:04 pm
Like Brooke said, console ideas are nothing without good games. Once you see the games, you will understand. I would go as far to say that the Revolution isn’t as revolutionary as Nintendo is saying. It should be called the Nintendo Simplicity, because every aspect I mentioned greatly simplifies the gaming experience. For instance, the pressure sensitive grips on the controller make racing games much easier to control and play. Wave Race (yes, it will be at E3) is going to be very impressive because it will use this function. It will be sort of like controlling a game with one of those stress balls. You squeeze it and you go faster. It’s hard to explain though.
Don’t expect to see too much if any of the controller at E3 though. Nintendo is still trying to decide what to show and what not to show. The games will be revealed, as well as specs and the system design. But the controller is still being considered.
To Jesus: when you see the voice controls, you will be blown away. Go back and watch some sci fi movies with voice controlled vehicles (such as AI or I am Robot).
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# Aries Says:
April 26th, 2005 at 2:14 pm
You guys are still talking about the 3D angle of that article? Check the date of the patent in question. This has already been used in a game that’s out right now. I would suggest you pay attention to IGN or N-Sider more.
Like I said, I’m going to give out some details on the next gen hardware, especially the Nintendo Revolution. You guys already know a lot of information on the Xbox 360; you guys have already seen the specs of the system. Gamespy released them around GDC. I was at GDC, and I’ll fill you in on some stuff that IGN can’t talk about. Specs and details on the Nintendo Revolution were given out to developers during the conference. I can verify that my company as well as EA and Midway received them at GDC. I’m positive other publishers received them as well.
From what I’ve heard, Capcom and Namco are sold on the Revolution and are currently playing around with the development kits. I don’t know whether they are actually making games for it though. I was suprised to hear that Square Soft has a game in development for the Revolution. It will be at E3 as well as some other next gen titles for the PS3.
I’m currently working on a game for the Revolution as well. I can’t guarantee that it will be at E3 though. I think people are going to be very suprised. When I worked with Nintendo, I was able to see the earliest builds of the system. It has come a long way, to say the least. There are a lot of graphics whores out there who feel the Revolution will be a weak system. They will be very suprised come E3. Microsoft is banking on stealing the show, but I think they will be upstaged by Nintendo as well as Sony. It’s going to be very funny to see them trying to get people excited about Perfect Dark 0 when both Nintendo and Sony will be showing off Halo killers.
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# Aries Says:
April 26th, 2005 at 3:28 pm
I’m not going to share specs with you because they aren’t really that important. I think Iwata said something like that when asked the same question. All three consoles are going to be very powerful, trust me. I’ll give you some information though: it will be more powerful than the Xbox 360. Much more powerful. Many gamers seem to think it will be as powerful as the GBA or something. That isn’t the case at all. From what I saw during my time their as well as our game, it will be very capible.
But having the most powerful console doesn’t guarantee that gamers are going to buy it. Software sells the games. And if that statement holds true next generation, the Nintendo Revolution will be very popular.
In my next post I will “spill the beans” on everything I know about the Revolution. I’ll give you some hints though. All the rumors out there are not mere rumors. Some are planted by people who are working on the consoles. In fact, Nintendo is doing this right now with the information they’ve released on the Revolution. You are going to see why Nintendo hasn’t just come out and said confirmed that the Revolution is going to be very powerful. You’re going to be punk’d by them in a couple weeks. Pay attention to the boards, especially Nintendo’s board. It’s much better than OurColony.
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Aries Says:
April 27th, 2005 at 6:10 am
Silicon Knights is not developing for the Nintendo Revolution right now. They will show off some Xbox 360 games at E3; I can confirm that. Matt saw the game, and he knows what they are up to. Once he is able to talk about it, he will reveal his information to you.
Like I said, I know as much about Resident Evil 5 as you do. I would guess it is going to be a current generation game. If Capcom could have it ready for the holidays (to combat the Xbox 360), it would come out then. But that’s just my own speculation (and hope; RE4 is amazing).
I can confirm that Nintendo is currently working on many Revolution titles. Most are just in the planning stages, but I have seen video of seven. I’m sure at least three or four of these games will be at E3 in video form. Perhaps more; we will see at E3. Outside of our game, there are six 3rd party games that I have heard of. As I mentioned earlier, Square Enix (happy now?) is developing a new game for the Revolution. EA, Sega, Zoonami, Namco, and Activision are currently working on games.
3rd party information:
EA is playing around with the Revolution’s capibilities, implementing them into another Madden game. This isn’t really news though. From what I’ve heard, they are really going out of their way to make this more than just a port. Voice controls are being used to the max in this title. Calling out audibles will be used this way. The wireless capibilities of the system are also going to be used. Like I said, there will be no reason to buy Madden for the Xbox 360 when the Revolution version comes out.
Sega is developing three games for the Revolution that should be at E3. I’m not going to reveal too much on what they are up to for obvious reasons. The three games I listed does not include the game we are developing for them. You will be very suprised at what they are doing. I’m sure you have heard of the Xbox 360 title Condemned that they are working on. This game is something that many wouldn’t expect Sega to make; you won’t expect what you will see at E3. The other game they have is a typical, quirky Sega game. It’s very interesting in the sense that it uses all the system’s capibilities.
Zoonami has already given out some hints on what they are working on. I have always felt that Sam Fisher is a much better character than Solid Snake. Zoonami just might have some characters that are better than both of them.
Namco is working on a Revolution game, but I don’t have details on it. I am sure that it is not a Soul Caliber III port. I don’t see why they just won’t add online play and Link and Ganon to the game and release it as a launch title. That would be a very smart move.
Activision is working on some ports for the Revolution. You will see what they have for the Xbox 360 at E3. At least one of these games will be ported to the Revolution for its launch.
On 1st party information:
Like I said, I have seen seven Nintendo titles, some of which will be at E3. When the DS was launced, it had one sub par 1st party game. This will not be the case with the Revolution’s launch. If they were to release all the games I’ve seen at launch, it would easily be the best launch ever for a console.
I can confirm that Nintendo is working on a new, orignal Mario game. In my opinion, the last few Miyamoto games havn’t been that interesting. This will change with this game. Like Mario 64 for the N64, this game will introduce all of the capibilities of the console. It will use the pressure sensitive controls mainly, but the voice controls as well as gyroscopic controls will be used as well. From what I saw, this game will use mini games to introduce many of these schemes. All of these mini games could be released as stand alone games.
A new Super Smash Bros. Melee is in the works as well. This game will demonstrate the online functions of the Revolution. Nintendo has added many new things into the game, included a deeper combat system. Many more special moves are included as well as some very cool suprises. The levels will include some destructible environments, and the characters will be fully customizable. Want to play as Mario in his 80’s outfit? Or would you prefer the 90’s look? It’s your choice. The most innovative part of the game is the different modes. In previous games, you were allowed to play in giant mode, metal mode, small mode, etc. That has changed. You will be able to choose to play in a “Paper” mode (a la Paper Mario), a cel shaded mode (Wind Waker), or Viewtiful Joe-esque mode.
As I said earlier, Retro is working on a Halo killer. This game is going to be one of the best games at E3. In my opinion, StarCraft was the best RTS ever. This game is going to use some similar ideas. In most FPS, you play as a hero trying to save the day. In Retro’s game, they allow you to choose which storyline you want to play, just like StarCraft allows you to play as Terran, Zerg, etc. Biological weapons will play a major part in the game. Imagine fighting in a chemical plant, where toxics are stored everywhere. By shooting them, you emit the toxic. If you get hit by this stuff, many different things may happen. For instance, you may lose sight on the screen, your controls might be inverted or slowed down, etc. Or, if your character gets the fever, the controller might get hot. Very hot. The alien races are very interesting also. You will be able to switch to 3rd person in order to move faster (similar to running in Odd World: Stranger’s Wrath). You will be able to “impregnate” human players by grabbing on to them for a certain amount of time. This will implant a NPC in them, which will burst out at your command, instantly killing the human player. You will then be able to use voice control to command the NPC.
There's plenty more here:
http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=45634
If you look down the thread it has more comments going right up to May 1st.
Expect this in every next gen console
The Nintendo Revolution will also include voice control more advanced than anything seen so far. Nintendogs is just the beginning. To achieve this, Nintendo sent us headsets (similar to ones you can use for Xbox Live) that are wirelessless communicating with the console. Imagine being able to merely call for an airstrike or reload your gun by giving out commands orally. So far, we have put this feature to the test the most; as you can see, I’m excited over this feature.
therealskywolf
03-May-2005, 18:38
I dont trust this guys, looses too much time saying how Revolution will be this over Xbox 360 and blah blah blah.
I say BS.
"Kojima’s project with Nintendo is going to be very grand and bold. It’s not the kind of game Nintendo usually works on. From what I saw and have heard, it will be a mix between Zelda and Ninja Gaiden. "
Yeah.....and Konami would have its greatest Developer working exclusivelly BECAUSE????? Must be because the capcom thing worked so well with the gamecube...........yeah their biggest production wont be on the Ps3......right.......
:lol:
I hope voice-control is optional. Most of the time, I don't want to wear a headset when I play, and sometimes I don't feel like talking to anyone. Which is why I've locked my door, closed my blinds, and got out the games in the first place! :)
Evil_Cloud
03-May-2005, 18:45
Old & unproven. I say wait two weeks...
StefanS
03-May-2005, 18:47
If those rumours are true, then Nintendo would be further along in its developement cycle than everyone expects...
Anyway those "news" sound pretty interesting...
mckmas8808
03-May-2005, 18:49
I say some of that stuff could be true. I hope the headset thing is true I like the thought of talking to my game.
I dont trust this guys, looses too much time saying how Revolution will be this over Xbox 360 and blah blah blah
From what I see he seems pretty fair, he does not try to overly hype every aspect of Revolution.
Yeah.....and Konami would have its greatest Developer working exclusivelly BECAUSE????? Must be because the capcom thing worked so well with the gamecube
Where did it say Kojima was going to work exclusively on Revolution, it doesn't say that. BTW lets not get into fan.boy stuff, Capcoms games sold well on GC.
Old & unproven. I say wait two weeks
Some has already been said and some is new. I don't think heat producing pads is old is it? Or the info on Retro's new FPS for Revolution. There is quite a bit of new there.
Refreshment
03-May-2005, 18:59
Thats the problem, everything he said could be true. Yet it doesnt sound any different from what an average member of a videogame message board could speculate.
I read this at GAF in the morning, and saw some errors, that i cant remember write now but i was thinking to myself how someone suposedly in the "know' could get confused like that.
I lost the interest while i was reading and i dont get why the posts are getting atention. Most of it was speculated months ago.
I always tough that voice recognition is a good investment for play mechanichs and some of the uses in recent DS games are quite creative. Plus adding a mic by default in a game system isnt expensive, so at least having the option is smart. I say wireless, a mic and a gyroscopes would be great options with lots of potential.
I just remembered one the questionable coments: The one about the controller geting hot :)
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# Aries Says:
April 26th, 2005 at 2:14 pm
You guys are still talking about the 3D angle of that article? Check the date of the patent in question. This has already been used in a game that’s out right now. I would suggest you pay attention to IGN or N-Sider more.
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What patent is he referring too?
Evil_Cloud
03-May-2005, 19:14
Old & unproven. I say wait two weeks
Some has already been said and some is new. I don't think heat producing pads is old is it? Or the info on Retro's new FPS for Revolution. There is quite a bit of new there.
April 26th, 2005 at 4:41 pm
Old. Unproven. ;)
Can't you just wait for a couple of days, then it's all official.
Refreshment
What makes me think it might be real is the fact that its not crazy speculation. A guy on a messageboard might have heard all this and so could post it but they would almost always exagerate things. (Its got this speed GPU and it can move through time" ect :lol: This post is just the right blend already rumoured info (only the believable ones) and new believable info IMO. I don't see why the bit about the controllers being able to heat up should be considered an error or should even be considered so questionable. Its more then possible and could be just as useful/interesting as rumble features.
Evil_Cloud
Well anything can be considered old, as time constantly passes. But usually when we say something is old we mean its already been posted here. There is stuff said there that hasn't been posted here AFAICS. So then its worth posting yes? BTW what's happening in a couple of days? Nintendo's pre- E3 conference is 2 weeks away. Or do you know of a leak or announcment coming earlier?
What patent is he referring too?
http://media.cube.ign.com/articles/522/522559/img_2575673.html
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Refreshment
03-May-2005, 19:32
Apologize for not expressing myself clearly.
The control heating thing wasnt the error or one of the errors i saw, its just a questionable alegation.
But the rest seems , speculation out of a guy that reads alot about videogame news and rumors, like myself and alot of people in the boards.
Or an IGN editor, not that bad though :)
For example, remember those gyros patents or anouncements from years ago. Im talking about the Nintendo investment. So making an statement that we'll see gyros in a Nintendo controller doesnt require that the guy knows something we dont. Never the less, forgetting the fact that Nintendo has already used them. The mic coment, well some people were specting the GC controller to have a mic.
What im trying to say is that this isnt anything new or at least nothing that we havent heard speculation of.
If he is correct i dont have any problem apologizing and taking my comments back.
But so much has been speculated on already that surely all anyone in the know could do is confirm some rumours, deny others and add in a few new bits. Which is exactly what he does. Most of these kinds of posts focus completely on hyping up a system and talking about either unbelievable specs or incredible new features. But his post is reasonable and plausible. Most of all he doesn't just tell us what features and games Revolution will have, but also gives info on what won't happen and some info on XBox360 and PS3. So IMO this is definitely the good more believable kind of "insider info".
Refreshment
03-May-2005, 19:50
Just because the coments doesnt surf the wave of the ridiculous (holographic images) they become real. Plus he is so vague about everything.
In any case, in less than 2 weeks will know so no need to look much into this.
Dont you agree? :)
Dr Evil
03-May-2005, 19:56
Most of these kinds of posts focus completely on hyping up a system and talking about either unbelievable specs or incredible new features. But his post is reasonable and plausible.
Well I think he is hyping it up quite a lot, he said that it will be much more powerful than Xbox360, says that Nintendos "live" is better and free, if Nintendo releases 7 games on launch, the launch is best ever!:D. Infact I think the whole text is pretty much hyping it up. Two more weeks.
I didn't say not posting crazy info makes something real, please don't oversimplify. I said that is one of the obvious signs of fake speculation and one of the things not present in his posy. Its a collection of things that makes the info seem like it might be real. In the end that's all anyone here can do to judge this kind of thing. Since we don't actually know the facts ourselves.
I agree we'll find out for sure in 2 weeks. But if we wait until everything is certain on every topic in this forum then the forum will be dead for large portions of the year. Speculation is not a bad thing, so why should we assume everything said about Revolution is fake and not speculate on it?
Dr Evil, your only mentioning the bits that sound positive to Revolution though. Yes he said it will be more powerful then XBox360, but he also said it will be less powerful then PS3 and hyped PS3 quite a bit. In fact I could probably quote him and make it look like he was hyping PS3 instead of Revolution :) He also talks about companies that are not making games for Revolution but are making very interesting games for XBox360 ATM. He even talks about some future GC stuff and has some negatives, for instance he says that Geist is a disaster. My point is he is talking positively about Revolution/Nintendo yes, that is what the blog is about mainly, but he also mentions negatives and talks positively about the other systems too at times. It is not just pure hype about Revolution like we would normally see from a post like this.
BTW he doesn't just say if Nintendo release 7 games it will be the best launch ever. He says if they release all the games he's seen/heard of on launch it would be the best launch ever. He goes on to say that some of those games won't be launch titles though in his opinion.
Dr Evil
03-May-2005, 20:28
Dr Evil, your only mentioning the bits that sound positive to Revolution though. Yes he said it will be more powerful then XBox360, but he also said it will be less powerful then PS3
I didn't notice anything about being less powerful than PS3.
He said it will be much more powerful than Xbox 360 and that if Nintendo releases the 7 games he's seen on launch it will easily be the best launch ever, now I'm not saying that's not going to happen, but combined with some other things he said, it sure does sound like hype to me.
Confidence-Man
03-May-2005, 20:33
Err... a lot of this stuff sounds awfully fanboyish.
The controller will be wireless; he’s right about that. As you also know, the Xbox 360’s controllers will be wireless as well. Where do you think they got this idea?
MS stole the idea of wireless controllers from Nintendo? :roll:
Why play Madden on Xbox Live when you’ll be able to play it for free on the Revolution with much better services?
How would he know the services are going to be better? Sounds pretty much the same to me as he described it.
Microsoft is banking on stealing the show, but I think they will be upstaged by Nintendo as well as Sony. It’s going to be very funny to see them trying to get people excited about Perfect Dark 0 when both Nintendo and Sony will be showing off Halo killers.
So PDZ (which only the media have seen) automatically sucks in comparison to the "Halo killers" from Nintendo and Sony? I seriously doubt this is coming from a credible individual.
Like others have said, this is stuff anyone can make up. And didn't someone trace this guy's IP address to a bank?
It’s going to be very funny to see them trying to get people excited about Perfect Dark 0 when both Nintendo and Sony will be showing off Halo killers.
Erhm IF this is true why should ms worry ? If sony and nintendo are making halo killers well ms already made that with halo 2 and from hwat i've heard perfect dark is going to be a great game too. Its hard to hit a moving target which is why gt 4 jump everyone else again and if the other publishers are making a gt4 killer than gt5 has nothing to worry about
Also Mordenkainen why do you post under 3 forum names ? Is there a reason why ?
Dr Evil
03-May-2005, 21:02
Erhm IF this is true why should ms worry ? If sony and nintendo are making halo killers well ms already made that with halo 2 and from hwat i've heard perfect dark is going to be a great game too. Its hard to hit a moving target which is why gt 4 jump everyone else again and if the other publishers are making a gt4 killer than gt5 has nothing to worry about
Heh yes they are still targeting to beat a game which was released in 2001! :)... Just kidding.
Dr Evil, from the rest of his comments:
With the PS3, Sony is mixing sheer power and innovation. They are going to suprise some people at E3 as well. The PS3 is far more ahead in development than many think
He also says PS3 is on a different level of power to XBox 360 and even Revolution won't be close to it. As I said he says positive and negative things about Revolution/Nintendo. He also says good things about competing products. So its not pure Revolution hype. Anyway, whatever, I give up. Why can't people speculate on the actual ideas and content instead of wether its real or not?
Confidence-Man, later on he says
Last week some details about the game were on a gaming site. It mentioned that Perfect Dark 0 would support the largest online deathmatch battles ever seen in a console game. That is very good news. I said previously that Perfect Dark 0 is going to be one of the best games at E3. I stand by that statement. But, like I said, I feel Retro's FPS will be better
That guy wasn't traced to a bank either, that was someone else.
Who is Mordenkainen jvd??
The controller will be wireless; he’s right about that. As you also know, the Xbox 360’s controllers will be wireless as well. Where do you think they got this idea?
MS stole this idea from nintendo? That doesn't sound like a reasonable thing to say.
The Nintendo Revolution will also include voice control more advanced than anything seen so far. Nintendogs is just the beginning. To achieve this, Nintendo sent us headsets (similar to ones you can use for Xbox Live) that are wirelessless communicating with the console. Imagine being able to merely call for an airstrike or reload your gun by giving out commands orally. So far, we have put this feature to the test the most; as you can see, I’m excited over this feature.
This isn't a new feature. MS implemented this in the xbox development software at least 2 years ago. I saw a demo from the a company where you could order troops around by voice through a headset, and it was on the xbox using the MS voice recognition software.
From a graphical perspective, the Nintendo Revolution is very powerful. Many people seem to think this won’t be the case, but rest assured. The games I saw while working at Nintendo were very beautiful. I’ll tell you about those later.
This sounds like he's juding it's power full base don what he saw, and not based on specs he would know. Doesn't sound kosher to me.
As Nintendo has stated before, the system will be online. In my eyes, the online system they have set up is the most revolutionary part of the system. While Sony and Microsoft are busy turning their systems into trojan horses for their other electronic devices, Nintendo is going to use the Revolution for direct communication with gamers. The only way I can describe it is as an internet service. Imagine turning it on and checking your mail on the system. You see previews and demos of DS and Revolution games that you can download. A magazine similar to Nintendo Power will be exclusive to the system, and you will be able to access it on the Revolution’s homepage. As you check you mail, you will also see various invitations from gamers on your buddy list who want to play you. There are so many other ways this is going to be used. Once the Revolution comes out, there will be no reason to hang out on message boards. Message boards as well as chat rooms will be available on the Revolution so that gamers can discuss and challenge each other all day. And the best thing is that the entire thing is totally free and easy to use. Why play Madden on Xbox Live when you’ll be able to play it for free on the Revolution with much better services?
Give me a break. The only thing there he listed that you can't do on xbox live, is read a magazine like nintendo power made by MS. MS has talked abotu downloadable demos and all sorts of similar things. he left out stuff like voice mail. this part of the post sounded extremly fanboyish. he's praising nintendo for doing things that were already invented and/or done before.
Based on this and other things in that post, I thinkit's 100% fake.
I've been advised not to bother arguing anymore at this point in the thread :lol: So we'll just have to wait and see how real this is. Until then though feel free to actually speculate on some of the idea's brought up rather then arguing if they're real or not.
BOOMEXPLODE
03-May-2005, 21:55
Those are all good ideas. Calling them revolutionary is a little over the top, they're just good ideas. I keep hoping Nintendo will come back really strong and start leading the industry again, but I keep getting dissapointed. Let's see if they can pull it off this time...
Dr Evil
03-May-2005, 22:00
Well if it has online service, which equals Live and is free, MS is in trouble.
I'd wait and see before assuming that.
Dr Evil
03-May-2005, 22:07
I'd wait and see before assuming that.
Ofcourse I'm just saying if.
blakjedi
03-May-2005, 22:42
Well if it has online service, which equals Live and is free, MS is in trouble.
Free, wireless, online...? even netzero costs money...
I like how he talks about voice commands thru the headset like thats revolutionary. I did the same thing 20 years ago on my Commodore 64 using a "lipstick" for the game Echelon. "fire fire fire" :D
The online sounds cool but I dont see how it would be free. Would be great if it is though.
PC-Engine
04-May-2005, 02:49
Well if it has online service, which equals Live and is free, MS is in trouble.
Free, wireless, online...? even netzero costs money...
Uh I think you're missing the point. You will need to already have your own ISP to connect to this FREE online service for Revolution and DS.
Regarding the ideas, they're very interesting, but I have a hard time believing the temperature sensitive controller. That sounds like a safety hazard.
Sure, voice recognition has been used in the past, but their is certainly room (lots) for improvement in that area. So if Nintendo were doing something that could push that technology further it would certainly be a nice feature.
Who is Mordenkainen jvd??
He is
Mordenkainen
pc999
therealskywolf
And each of the names have 2 or less posts .
PC-Engine
04-May-2005, 03:17
Who is Mordenkainen jvd??
He is
Mordenkainen
pc999
therealskywolf
And each of the names have 2 or less posts .
:lol:
There's also another poster "z" that has a post history of ~70, but when you go to lookup these posts nothing comes up. :lol:
Geeforcer
04-May-2005, 03:57
Wow, a game where you could order computer via voice commands. This would be quite refolutionary, if they also invented a time machine, gone back a few years and prevented this feature from beeing implemented in games like UT2004.
Wow, a game where you could order computer via voice commands. This would be quite refolutionary, if they also invented a time machine, gone back a few years and prevented this feature from beeing implemented in games like UT2004.
or seamen and that was in what 2000 ? or wait how about when they did it with that hey you picachu game in what 97 ?
Shifty Geezer
04-May-2005, 09:53
Regards free online services, how much would they cost to run? ISPs have to worry about bandwidth. With a big userbase and lots of access, won't Nintendo or whoever have to pay some telecoms company somewhere for hosting costs?
Of course they'd hope to make it back on selling more games, but how much would they need to make up? It seems to me Live! costs MS an arm and a leg, as otherwise why are they losing so much flippen money? Cost of hardware isn't enough to vapourise all software profits.
It seems to me Live! costs MS an arm and a leg, as otherwise why are they losing so much flippen money? Cost of hardware isn't enough to vapourise all software profits.On the contrary, I think live is one of the only xbox related products actually making money.
The vast majority of live games are per to per, so the cost of running it is less than free services like message boards and search engines.
The only thing needed is really mating of the players and keeping track of scores and status, the rest is completely on the host users "expense".
Online RPGs and other games that depends on a server to hold the world, almost always costs extra.
If Nintendo Online has “pay to use” online services, like an online version of Nintendo Power, it should easily more than pay for itself.
GwymWeepa
04-May-2005, 10:41
Regards free online services, how much would they cost to run? ISPs have to worry about bandwidth. With a big userbase and lots of access, won't Nintendo or whoever have to pay some telecoms company somewhere for hosting costs?
Of course they'd hope to make it back on selling more games, but how much would they need to make up? It seems to me Live! costs MS an arm and a leg, as otherwise why are they losing so much flippen money? Cost of hardware isn't enough to vapourise all software profits.
Advertisers will pay the costs for a free internet service. I would be shocked if we're not bombarded with ads on Nintendo's online service if it is indeed free.
I like how he talks about voice commands thru the headset like thats revolutionary. I did the same thing 20 years ago on my Commodore 64 using a "lipstick" for the game Echelon. "fire fire fire"
He doesn't though, he says totally the opposite. He says the idea's aren't revolutionary but are just very good ideas.
Wow, a game where you could order computer via voice commands. This would be quite refolutionary, if they also invented a time machine, gone back a few years and prevented this feature from beeing implemented in games like UT2004.
How complex was the voice recognition in that game Geeforcer? Why do people on messageboards like to do this? Generalise something so they can make it sound crap? Should we not care about any new GPU because PSX had one in 1994? Was XBox Live not a good feature just because there have been online games for well over 10 years?
Anyway he's not talking about a game being able to use voice recognition. Any game can do that with enough work from the developer. He's talking about it as a feature of the console. Perhaps there is a built in voice recognition engine in the devkit that allows easy implimentation of complex voice recognition techniques.
He's talking about it as a feature of the console. Perhaps there is a built in voice recognition engine in the devkit that allows easy implimentation of complex voice recognition.
Like I said before this was already a part of the xbox sdk for a few years already. I think the main problem with this, is that people don't want to talk at their games.
Anyway, I thought you weren't going to argue any more in this thread? ;)
Nah, never said that. Just not arguing with you, I've heard your rep. Been told that no good can come of arguing with the Q man :lol:
Like I said before this was already a part of the xbox sdk for a few years already. I think the main problem with this, is that people don't want to talk at their games.
Anyway, I thought you weren't going to argue any more in this thread? ;)
Or meybe it is not a standart feature, and people dont like to buy upgrades.
So few dev put that in their games.
Just not arguing with you, I've heard your rep. Been told that no good can come of arguing with the Q man
who told you that? whomever it is I'll argue until the death with them, because it's not true! :P
Or meybe it is not a standart feature, and people dont like to buy upgrades.
So few dev put that in their games.
I don't follow. buy what upgrade? a headset? I think few cevelopers could find a good use for it and that's why it wasn't used. basically teh way I see it, if you have voice control support, you still need to be capable of controlling (whatever) with a controller.
Yes I understand you.
But from very complex orders in tatical games, selecting things in a menu (and take the boring parts off), reload (so you can be always ready).Basicaly from N simplicity to new gameplay with to many option/to complex.That is a lot of uses.
But dev only can use with if users do have a headset/micro (and processing power).Current gen headset are not standart (for no live users is a upgrade), but if in next gen it is a standart I bet that it will be used in great extension.
Geeforcer
04-May-2005, 16:05
How complex was the voice recognition in that game Geeforcer? Why do people on messageboards like to do this? Generalise something so they can make it sound crap? Should we not care about any new GPU because PSX had one in 1994? Was XBox Live not a good feature just because there have been online games for well over 10 years?
Anyway he's not talking about a game being able to use voice recognition. Any game can do that with enough work from the developer. He's talking about it as a feature of the console. Perhaps there is a built in voice recognition engine in the devkit that allows easy implimentation of complex voice recognition techniques.
I am not making it sound like crap. I simply have an issue with his statement. Let's look at he is saying:
The Nintendo Revolution will also include voice control more advanced than anything seen so far. Nintendogs is just the beginning. To achieve this, Nintendo sent us headsets (similar to ones you can use for Xbox Live) that are wirelessless communicating with the console. Imagine being able to merely call for an airstrike or reload your gun by giving out commands orally. So far, we have put this feature to the test the most; as you can see, I’m excited over this feature.
What he is describing does not sound "more advanced than anything seen so far". In fact, it has been done before. Why do people on messageboards like to do this? Take an existing technology and hype it as revolutionary second coming of Cyberjesus?
What he is describing does not sound "more advanced than anything seen so far". In fact, it has been done before.
He just mentions a couple of quick and obvious uses for voice recognition. We can't really tell how advanced the technology is from that. That depends on how effective the recognition is and how easily it can be implimented. In his opinion its more advanced then anything that's come before it.
Why do people on messageboards like to do this? Take an existing technology and hype it as revolutionary second coming of Cyberjesus?
I haven't called this revolutionary. Even the guy your quoting said it wasn't revolutionary, just a very nice feature that he likes a lot.
Or meybe it is not a standart feature, and people dont like to buy upgrades.
So few dev put that in their games.
I don't follow. buy what upgrade? a headset? I think few cevelopers could find a good use for it and that's why it wasn't used. basically teh way I see it, if you have voice control support, you still need to be capable of controlling (whatever) with a controller.
Yes, a headset. Obviously it would take time and money to implement some sort of voice control system and if your potential audience is small maybe it isn't worth it. I don't think I need to tell you that.
As for developers not being able to find a use for it. I really doubt that. I think you would have to be pretty unimaginative to not be able to think of any number of uses for voice control. Now, actually having technology mature enough to make those ideas a reality is something else. There is definitely room for improvement on the technical side of things.
I really doubt that.
Well you can doubt that if you like, but this feature has been available for a few years on console and even longer on PC, yet it hasn't caught on in strides. Like I said before, i think the problem is that people don't want to talk "at" thier games, why say something when you can hit a button that will do the same thing much faster. it's a cool feature but it's practical uses aren't that much above adding a touch screen to a console controller (you can find a use but how practical is it).
I think you would have to be pretty unimaginative to not be able to think of any number of uses for voice control.
It's more a matter of practicality (or practical uses) then come up with simple uses.
Now, actually having technology mature enough to make those ideas a reality is something else. There is definitely room for improvement on the technical side of things.
Room for improvement, sure. However there has been mature technolgy in voice recognition for a long time. I don't think Nintendo is going to come along and re-design voice recognition to finally make it work perfectly. That I just don't see happening.
Well you can doubt that if you like, but this feature has been available for a few years on console and even longer on PC, yet it hasn't caught on in strides. Like I said before, i think the problem is that people don't want to talk "at" thier games, why say something when you can hit a button that will do the same thing much faster. it's a cool feature but it's practical uses aren't that much above adding a touch screen to a console controller (you can find a use but how practical is it).
What if i want my squad to split up into pairs of 2 , pair one goes in from the north , pair two from the south and pair three from the east ?
How many buttons do i have to smash to acomplish that ? While in the middle of fighting and trying to stay alive ?
Or are next gen consoles going to have 50 buttons like the jaguar ?
No its much simpler for many things to use voice comands. I will agree with you that a simple follow me or stay behind would be easier and faster with a button . But to move on to more complex things it wont happen.
Not to mention the learning disconnect when you go from the solo game to the online game and suddenly x,y,b , left , right ,z , y no longer makes your online pals do what you want them to do .
Voice chat is better than complex button operations and it will deliver a much smaller learning curve on more highly complex titles .
It's more a matter of practicality (or practical uses) then come up with simple uses.
and its more practical for some things to say what you want instead of using complex button patterns to acomplish this .
Room for improvement, sure. However there has been mature technolgy in voice recognition for a long time. I don't think Nintendo is going to come along and re-design voice recognition to finally make it work perfectly. That I just don't see happening.
Well we had a talk about this and i believe looking at the thread (Before it became a flamewar ) you would see that almost every idea in consoles was taken from some where else .
Sure voice command isn't new . But if nintendo can make it work well and make it robust enough to get rid of complex commands it will be a boon for most gamers . As for them just coming along and making vr work perfectly. Well they aren't just coming along. There was nintendogs , hey you picachu attempts by nintendo along with who knows how many aborted projects. So its not really them just coming along. It could be as much as 8 years that they have invested into making voice commands possible and highly developed in the revolution . Figuring that picachu is at least 5 years old now (i belive 6) and it was most likely in developement for at least 2 years .
jvd,
What if i want my squad to split up into pairs of 2 , pair one goes in from the north , pair two from the south and pair three from the east ?Ok, you're the game designer then. tell me how you would split up a squad into two groups and direct them where to go. say there's 10 guys in your squad and you want to split them up into 5 guys and two squads.How many buttons do i have to smash to acomplish that ? While in the middle of fighting and trying to stay alive ?
not many at all. Have you played brothers in arms? You can do this all while many other functions with a standard controller.No its much simpler for many things to use voice comands. I wouldn't say "much simpler" but there are cases where it is simpler, providing what you have to say is relatively short. i don't think the average game consumer would even be interested in yelling commands out. Even people on live have hard time talking while playing certain games.and its more practical for some things to say what you want instead of using complex button patterns to acomplish this .You show me a single game that allows for voice commands that is nothering more than short words or really short sentences and I'll say you're right. people are accustomed to talking to each other, not a TV or computer screen.
But if nintendo can make it work well and make it robust enough to get rid of complex commands it will be a boon for most gamers . As for them just coming along and making vr work perfectly. Well they aren't just coming along. There was nintendogs , hey you picachu attempts by nintendo along with who knows how many aborted projects. So its not really them just coming along. It could be as much as 8 years that they have invested into making voice commands possible and highly developed in the revolution. Figuring that picachu is at least 5 years old now (i belive 6) and it was most likely in developement for at least 2 years .That's the almost the same voice command technology nintendo had back in the famicom days. it's barely advanced past that. Anyway I think if you're expecting something more with voice technology then we've seen in the past, or the present, I think you're going to be dissapointed. At least it's not a feature i think casual gamers will be drawn to.
NintendoDS is an experiment for some ideas in Nintendo, they know that they have a lot of influence in the handheld market.
I cannot believe all the FUD and the shit about Revolution, I believe that the console will be a normal console with all the extras that NintendoDS have.
You can emulate the stylus control in the control pad, you only need a small superficie like a graphical tablet and an stylus in the controller and voila you can use the same control of the DS in the Revolution.
I am expecting more an idea similar to the NDS than a Revolutionary concept.
So JVD, can you think that example through of spliting one squad into two squads and giving them orders to move or attack something (individually). I'd really like to see how it would work in your opinion with voice controls. I have an idea how to do it, but each time it would require some use of the controller.
Btw, the ghost recon and rainbow six games have supported voice control for a few years now. however the commands tend to be simple single word commands.
Ok, you're the game designer then. tell me how you would split up a squad into two groups and direct them where to go. say there's 10 guys in your squad and you want to split them up into 5 guys and two squads.f I'm no programer , but i would assign each squad member a letter or name and have the bot react to commands given to that name. I would then have key words like north , attack , left right .
not many at all. Have you played brothers in arms? You can do this all while many other functions with a standard controller. NO i've played the rainbow six games and to set up something like that its a bunch of commands and in a fire fight i'm not going to be able to sit around and punch them in .
Not to mention that i've never gotten anything more complex than split up , stay , go left , go right , cover me in a game while in a fire fight .
I wouldn't say "much simpler" but there are cases where it is simpler, providing what you have to say is relatively short. i don't think the average game consumer would even be interested in yelling commands out. Even people on live have hard time talking while playing certain games.
I belive its much simpler . What is eaiser telling your friend to do something or to go step by step through it for them to do it ?
I can tell you my father would have a much easier time telling the bot he wants to be covred from certian areas then having to remember they key inputs for that set up or to go into a menu and select this and stop the game play .
You show me a single game that allows for voice commands that is nothering more than short words or really short sentences and I'll say you're right. people are accustomed to talking to each other, not a TV or computer screen.
Don't make me laugh . There is allways a first for everything . Right now it may be words and short sentences but does that mean it will stay this way ? Does that mean that nintendo hasn't been developing this to its fullest for the last 5+ years ? Things change. Once there was 2d graphics , then there were 3d graphics . Are you telling me at the time of the console move to 3d you would have pointed at the fx chip and the 32x and said well 3d has only been capable of fairly simiple models with flat shaded polgons . Nothing big , don't see how sony could have textures and thousands of polygons on screen at once. Wont happen ?
Because thats exactly what you are saying right now . Because voice commands are fairly simple right now that nintendo wont have a more complex voice command system next year .
That's the almost the same voice command technology nintendo had back in the famicom days. it's barely advanced past that.
I don't know what games had it in the famicon days . I don't remember any voice command tech games , but i highly doubt its a ssimple as it was back then .
Anyway I think if you're expecting something more with voice technology then we've seen in the past, or the present, I think you're going to be dissapointed. At least it's not a feature i think casual gamers will be drawn to. I might very well be . But i rather be disapointed that nintendo tried to do something more innovative than more graphics and came up short than for nintendo not to have tried at all .
Shifty Geezer
04-May-2005, 19:09
I'm rather dubious of voice commands. Firstly it's not something I'd enjoy. I don't want to sit in my room shouting commands with the rest of the household listening in! It also won't work well if there's much background chatter, I'd have thought.
But mostly, I've never seen voice recognition work flawlessly. Maybe I'm out of touch, but even simple things like using a person's name to select them in a phone or whatever has problems. To get to a level where you can say something like "Group 2, head north, covering fire, group three, secure here. Group four, follow" and have it work even when you're under fire and getting excited and your voice changes in tone...well, if Nintendo have managed that that's some pretty darned fine software!
Personally I think interacting might be easier visually, following where the eyes are looking or where the finger's pointing. This would be more player friendly I think or more technologically plausible (though I ain't no expert by a long stretch!). I'm certainly hoping next-gen lets me select the player I want in Football by looking at them, instead of always choosing someone ridiculous when I press the "change player" button!
Thinking about it, what other new gaming options might voice recognition add? Hows about an RPG where you have to say the spells to cast them? Like DnD theres Concentration required to cast, so if you're molested you have to not break your train of speech. Now throw in there an electric shock pad that zaps you when you get hit, and you've got a more realistic spell-casting gameplay "Mucktuck Filbitilist...OW!" :D
It's more a matter of practicality (or practical uses) then come up with simple uses.
I think there are many very practical uses for games like RTSs, Shooters and RPGs. Especially when we are talking about a console environment where you don't have the wealth of "buttons" that comes with your keyboard.
As for shouting at the game. Well, I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I don't know of many people who don't "interact" verbally with their games already. ;)
Room for improvement, sure. However there has been mature technolgy in voice recognition for a long time. I don't think Nintendo is going to come along and re-design voice recognition to finally make it work perfectly. That I just don't see happening.
Certainly, I think if there is any validity to this rumour then it is most likely just that Nintendo is making some sort of mic standard and providing voice recognition libraries to devs.
Speech recognition itself can still improve, but getting back to those practical uses... To do some of the really neat things one might imagine with voice control requires more than just being able to pick out the words a person is saying. You also need to understand what these words mean, which can be a very complex problem by itself (if you want to move beyond just simply barking out commands).
blakjedi
04-May-2005, 19:23
Menus. Just use menus.
Refreshment
04-May-2005, 19:35
Regarding the voice controls.
Practicality aside, i think is about humanize a gaming interface. Let's take the essential example from some past weeks until today: Nintendogs. I think the game would be less atractive if you didnt have the voice input and touch control in the interface.
Having the mic by default can be a good option, keyword here is "option." A mic isnt an expensive device to include. Of course theres more to voice recognition than a simple mic, but if Nintendo has made some advances to let developers integrate it into games more easily, then thats great.
f I'm no programer , but i would assign each squad member a letter or name and have the bot react to commands given to that name. I would then have key words like north , attack , left right .
Ok well keywords are what we have now, but my question is how do you make that squad, say you want to pick certain guys to be in each squad?
Also I think it's much faster to have a squad assigned to a button, pick where they want to go by looking at it and hitting another button.
I belive its much simpler . What is eaiser telling your friend to do something or to go step by step through it for them to do it ?
Well, that depends on what I'm telling my friend to do, right? if I'm telling my friend to open a door in a room full of doors, or make a pizza. Ethier way i gotta do it step by step so they don't mess up. It's either that or you only ask for simple things.
I can tell you my father would have a much easier time telling the bot he wants to be covred from certian areas then having to remember they key inputs for that set up or to go into a menu and select this and stop the game play.
How is your dad going to know what to say, inorder to make them do what he needs if you have a larger vocabulary to use? That's the biggest problem with anything more advanced then what we have now. That's why i don't think we'll see an improvement or some sort of change.
Don't make me laugh. There is allways a first for everything . Right now it may be words and short sentences but does that mean it will stay this way ? Does that mean that nintendo hasn't been developing this to its fullest for the last 5+ years ? Things change. Once there was 2d graphics , then there were 3d graphics . Are you telling me at the time of the console move to 3d you would have pointed at the fx chip and the 32x and said well 3d has only been capable of fairly simiple models with flat shaded polgons . Nothing big , don't see how sony could have textures and thousands of polygons on screen at once. Wont happen ?
No I wouldn't say won't happen regarding 3D, as we had 3d long beore that. To be honest, polygons have a more practical use compared to voice commands. I don't really think that's a fair apples to apples comparrison.
Because thats exactly what you are saying right now . Because voice commands are fairly simple right now that nintendo wont have a more complex voice command system next year.
I'd be willing to wager that's not the case and IF nintendo has any voice rec software included in the gamecube it will have the same capabilites we have today (i.e not more advanced) and that's the point I was saying from the start.
I don't know what games had it in the famicon days . I don't remember any voice command tech games , but i highly doubt its a ssimple as it was back then .
You basically yelled into the controller at the right time to get bonus points. It's not unlike the DS with nintendogs except it didn't matter what you yelled I beleive. Anyway, it advanced beyond that point, but hasn't made a whole lot of strides lately.
But i rather be disapointed that nintendo tried to do something more innovative than more graphics and came up short than for nintendo not to have tried at all.
Um, why would anyone want to be dissapointed?
How about if Revolution allowed any command in a game to be assigned to any word or phrase without any developer involvement? Just like changing your button layout. But instead you click on a function, reload for instance, and say reload and its then assigned. That would be something new and if Nintendo could make it work well it would be an excellent feature.
That would be pretty cool Teasy, as long as developers had a bit of control. Reloading is a perfect example...it shouldn't be a voice only command, because to reload I think you should at least have to reach over and push something. Reloading should not only delay your shooting, it should require physical coordination, just like reloading a real gun. In fact, reloading shells into a shotgun should require a button push for each shell. Clips should require a button be held down until it's in. At least imo.
Cool ideas though.
Yeah basically what I mean is developers could make a game with voice recognition or without it, so they have full control. But either way the end user has the option of adding voice control for any of the functions in the game just as easily as assigning buttons on a controller. So for instance if your of the opinion that reload should always be a button (which I agree with personally) then you can do it that way. But if your the kind of lazy person who can't even be bothered to press reload then you can assign reload to a word easily. Or of course assign some more appropriate functions to a word or phrase :) If Nintendo could make it easy, very reliable and robust I think it would be a excellent feature.
If I am not wrong Ghost Recon 2 already uses some nice voice recg. anyone tested here?It has good ( few flaws etc...)?
About splinting teams even in militar ops their are pre made, so why not in games to?
BTW in this site they make military (official) games and in one of them (dont remember which)you could see really nice voice recg (video too).
Dont know if it would run in a consoles CPU but...
http://www.ict.usc.edu/disp.php
Edit
There is the video
http://www.ict.usc.edu/disp.php?bd=proj_mre
Ok well keywords are what we have now, but my question is how do you make that squad, say you want to pick certain guys to be in each squad?
Can't you do it military style ? How did they do it ? By rank and name I think. That would be cool. :)
Matt Responds:
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"Oh yes, Aries. For people who haven't been following the avalanche of rumors being spread over at the Broken Saints message boards, here is a quick recap: a poster named Aries alleges he is a developer with all sorts of inside Revolution and next-gen information, and he's been posting sizeable chunks of it on a daily or weekly basis. He's written pages on various subjects and up until recently I've done my best to avoid it, but then a helpful IGN message boarder conveniently put together all of Aries' comments in one tidy thread, and I checked it over.
I guess lots of people have been waiting for me to comment on these posts and either qualify or disqualify the guy. So here it is. Everything he's said is true. Completely true. I can't believe he spilled it all already!
If you immediately stopped reading and raced to the message boards to post a "Matt Confirms!!!11" topic, you've really made a jackass out of yourself. Well done. If, on the other hand, you've continued reading, even better.
Honestly, this Aries guy is a fake. But I have to give to him: he's a pretty good one. He's definitely on top of the industry and some of his predictions -- guesses, even -- are logical. He's made an accurate guess or two about certain things not related to Revolution. And he remains just vague enough in most cases to perpetuate his credibility.
But he goes too far. The simple truth is that nobody in the industry, except for possibly Satoru Iwata, Shigeru Miyamoto and Genyo Takeda, could know as much about Revolution as this guy claims he does. I don't care if he worked for Nintendo of America for 30 years. Nobody at Nintendo of America, including the highest-ranking executive, has the kind of access Aries professes he does. Nobody. And I have enough contacts in the development industry to know that advanced Revolution hardware is not in high circulation. I mean, some of the biggest publishers out there have yet to receive any information on the platform. Trust me on this. Some of these outlandish claims Aries makes are just bogus. And that's really the biggest giveaway.
I'm sure some of you would love to believe the guy. He makes Nintendo look like gold. But don't. Wait a couple weeks for the real deal."
Ok well keywords are what we have now, but my question is how do you make that squad, say you want to pick certain guys to be in each squad?
Also I think it's much faster to have a squad assigned to a button, pick where they want to go by looking at it and hitting another button.
I think voice control will work best as a supplement to the interface so in this situation you could select the squad with the controller and tell it where to go with voice. There are many possibilities and I doubt we'll see many games that truly rely on voice command. Voice command will be truly useful when developers figure out how to filter out background voices and can pick out a specific voice. Then it becomes useful in a group environment and you could come up with some fun party games.
PC-Engine
05-May-2005, 09:29
What are the chances Revolution or even Evolution will get this technology? :shock:
http://www.dvd-intelligence.com/main_sections/news_archive/2003_free/3_wmd_demo.htm
Shifty Geezer
05-May-2005, 09:32
Voice command will be truly useful when developers figure out how to filter out background voices and can pick out a specific voice. Then it becomes useful in a group environment and you could come up with some fun party games.I think the right sort of mic would help. A very insensitive mic that has to be positioned right by the mouth for example.
Anyway, this isn't something unique to Revolution in that the other couldn't do it. As a software thing MS and Sony can release their own Voice Recognition libraries. The Revolution had better be more than that!
my 2 cents :
- About Matt's comment at IGN : IF Nintendo is to make a big announce about revolution at E3, i think more people than Iwata or Miyamoto has to be aware of the hardware setup of the machine (i mean if extra feature such as vr is to be shown). It seems clear that noone can prepare a conference in a day or two. I don't say that to imply that anything said by the poster is/will be verified, but Matt's answer is a bit "light".
- About VR : it is not even debatable that correctly implemented in the machine, and correctly used by the developer, it can be a huge "plus" in many type of games.
As exemples :
+ Imagine the effect in a D&D like RPG to simply have to say "fireball" to throw it to your opponent !
+ PC RTS or RPG (i think to war of warcraft) could be adapted easily in most aspects. For example, you could say "mock" and not go to the contextual menu, then select your gimmick and validate, or simply say "Management", "skills", sword", "level up".
+ As already said, in RE4 you could say "reload". As a compensation, fellows coming to you could be a little faster. That would be a plus to this wonderful game.
I think you should listen to what Matt is saying, as he would have a better idea then some random person on the internet of what nintendo is doing.
PC-Engine
05-May-2005, 12:20
I think using voice to change weapon types in a FPS or RE5 would be awesome ie shotgun, rifle, knife, grenades.
I think you should listen to what Matt is saying, as he would have a better idea then some random person on the internet of what nintendo is doing.I re-read carefully that ...
But he goes too far. The simple truth is that nobody in the industry, except for possibly Satoru Iwata, Shigeru Miyamoto and Genyo Takeda, could know as much about Revolution as this guy claims he does. I don't care if he worked for Nintendo of America for 30 years. Nobody at Nintendo of America, including the highest-ranking executive, has the kind of access Aries professes he does. Nobody. And I have enough contacts in the development industry to know that advanced Revolution hardware is not in high circulation. I mean, some of the biggest publishers out there have yet to receive any information on the platform. Trust me on this. Some of these outlandish claims Aries makes are just bogus. And that's really the biggest giveaway. ... and i maintain what i have said.
If advanced features are to be shown at E3 (i mean with demo and not only words), someone has to be aware ... If Matt is correct and nothing is on the road nowhere now, we can assume nothing will be shown at E3. This comment is not related to the credibility i give to the poster of these rumors. Until there is official announcement, they are only "rumors".
You're just justifying your belief in the rumors (made by a person that doesn't really know anything for certain, as confirmed by matt) by focusing on one comment Matt made, which was basically an exageration. The only comment from Matt you need to focus on is this one.
Honestly, this Aries guy is a fake. But I have to give to him: he's a pretty good one. He's definitely on top of the industry and some of his predictions -- guesses, even -- are logical. He's made an accurate guess or two about certain things not related to Revolution. And he remains just vague enough in most cases to perpetuate his credibility.
Jon Brittan
05-May-2005, 14:06
Exactly, like any good fake, regurgitate a bit of what is already known, re-word some of the most common speculation and add a bit of what you think people want to hear...
Generally you're aiming at people who are desperate to believe what they read anyway, so as long as you don't shoot yourself in the foot immediately and can provide some semi-credible data you can start to expand into the realms of complete fiction pretty quickly and have people hanging off your every word.
Maybe Aries should have employed himself elsewhere, it's election time in the UK :)
Ooh-videogames
05-May-2005, 16:38
Wasn't it Matt who didn't believe the Revolution will be backwards compatible?
You're just justifying your belief in the rumors ... There's no need to go further : either you missread my point, either i can't make myself understood ...
Not a big deal, as in 2 weeks, things will be clearer from Microsoft, and hopefully from Sony and Nintendo ...
:wink:
UT2k7
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=2&cId=3140119
For example, each level will have specific locations that you'll be able to use voice command to tell the bots to act on, so you can say, 'Go cover the cavern,' and they'll know what that means. They'll also be a lot more responsive, so you'll be able to ask them questions about their status: 'Is there anybody down in the cavern?' 'No, cavern's all clear.' Or you can throw out warnings like, 'There's a sniper on the tower. Go get the sniper.'"
Sorry to come back with these old thread but I did a search and saw this and while rereading these I noticed that almost everything that we know know (apart the E3 revelation that man said it has been a last minute thingh) checks with this info (specialy about the games)and it make me wonder if these info (both the already know and the unconfirmed one) is true, IMO it does have a great chance to be (90%+), which make me happy as many suprisses, great free online and good voice control seems to be true.
Anyway what do you think about it now:?:
For those who think that it may be true:
Like I said, I’m not going to tell you the revolutionary aspect of the system. Nintendo has some cool pre E3 plans for that.
butIt will also have gyroscopic controls(...)This game will use the gyroscopic controls for aiming as wel as other thingsandNo, we have not entirely pulled back the curtain on Revolution just yet. There are lots of exciting details about its capabilities and the unique gameplay you'll experience on it that we're keeping under wraps -- for now (http://cube.ign.com/articles/668/668117p1.html).
In my eyes, the online system they have set up is the most revolutionary part of the system.
Althought a bit of doubt here it will be more powerful than the Xbox 360
Dr Evil
20-Nov-2005, 15:52
I still doubt it, I mean weren't those gyroscopic patents allready in the know when this guy made his comments, other than that he didn't say much, and the fact that he said it will be more powerfull than X360 allready says quite a lot of his credibility.
Personally I think it is to much speculation to be done without errors (about games and companys also) to really be speculation, the coment on XB, well that may be a subjective (in a PR sense, which is very bad IMO) the coment about the controler get hot it is very hard to belive too (to expensive money and batery wise, hard to implement in a pratical way etc...).
Any more reason/opinions?
Shifty Geezer
20-Nov-2005, 16:54
From the beginning post...
The controller will also be pressure sensitive. The pressure you put into it will determine certain things, such as movement.
The Nintendo Revolution will also include voice control more advanced than anything seen so far.
As Nintendo has stated before, the system will be online. In my eyes, the online system they have set up is the most revolutionary part of the system. While Sony and Microsoft are busy turning their systems into trojan horses for their other electronic devices, Nintendo is going to use the Revolution for direct communication with gamers. The only way I can describe it is as an internet service. Imagine turning it on and checking your mail on the system. You see previews and demos of DS and Revolution games that you can download. A magazine similar to Nintendo Power will be exclusive to the system, and you will be able to access it on the Revolution’s homepage. As you check you mail, you will also see various invitations from gamers on your buddy list who want to play you. There are so many other ways this is going to be used. Once the Revolution comes out, there will be no reason to hang out on message boards. Message boards as well as chat rooms will be available on the Revolution so that gamers can discuss and challenge each other all day. And the best thing is that the entire thing is totally free and easy to use. Why play Madden on Xbox Live when you’ll be able to play it for free on the Revolution with much better services?
For instance, the pressure sensitive grips on the controller make racing games much easier to control and play. Wave Race (yes, it will be at E3) is going to be very impressive because it will use this function. It will be sort of like controlling a game with one of those stress balls. You squeeze it and you go faster. It’s hard to explain though.
To Jesus: when you see the voice controls, you will be blown away. Go back and watch some sci fi movies with voice controlled vehicles (such as AI or I am Robot).The pressure sensitiveness seems to be bunk, as does the advanced voice recognition, unless either of these are yet to be announced officially yet, and Nintendo have said they haven't demo'd everything yet, haven't they? The online services sound no different to Live! except being free. So taken overall it seems a lot of already expected stuff (gyros) mixed in with some wishlist specs. No reason to believe it any more as valid than any other Tunisian exports.
If I remember correctly, the Aries guy was just a joke character from some gaming forum.
I remember reading a post of him saying that he made up thoses rumors, a few weeks before E3, in order to "incite Nintendo to make them true..." (sic).
Can the rumors specialists confirm this, though?
Shifty Geezer
20-Nov-2005, 17:14
Can the rumors specialists confirm this, though?Are you thinking London-Boy, or any Tunisians on the forum?
Guilty Bystander
20-Nov-2005, 17:20
As could be read in second last Edge.
Revolution will only be a little more powerfull than the Gamecube.
Gamecube should be about 70% of the Revolutions total power that's why Nintendo uses their Gamecube development kits as early Revolution development kits.
Nintendo isn't aiming at power at all they're hoping their radical controller and existing game franchises will be enough to get them by.
This will work for their hardcore fanbase and problably the alternative mass gamers (=eyetoy like gamers) but with the big gaming market currently Sony hooked sort of speak it just won't work.
Those people want to see bigger, newer, better etc. and why they spend all this money while they could have gone for a €79 Gamecube which does almost the same graphics.
So forget all about quad core PPC's, Ati RN520's, PPU's etc cause this simply won't be in the Revolution.
It'll problably end up being a slightly higher clocked Gekko (700MHz or something close) and Flipper (300MHz or something close) with some extra memory.
Shifty Geezer
20-Nov-2005, 17:29
Gamecube should be about 70% of the Revolutions total power that's why Nintendo uses their Gamecube development kits as early Revolution development kits.I don't think anyone here believes that. A 40% increase in power over 5 years is ludicrously small. Heck they could release a GC at 2x the clock for thruppence. You should be looking at a minimum of like 4x the power increase unless they're being really conservative on costs.
Revolution will only be a little more powerfull than the Gamecube.
Gamecube should be about 70% of the Revolutions total power that's why Nintendo uses their Gamecube development kits as early Revolution development kits.So forget all about quad core PPC's, Ati RN520's, PPU's etc cause this simply won't be in the Revolution.
Would this give similar images on a normal TV in Rev and XB/PS3:wink: ?(as officialy stated)
BTW I never bellived on those specs.
Guilty Bystander
20-Nov-2005, 17:38
I don't think anyone here believes that. A 40% increase in power over 5 years is ludicrously small. Heck they could release a GC at 2x the clock for thruppence. You should be looking at a minimum of like 4x the power increase unless they're being really conservative on costs.
They are conservative on costs considering the controller will cost an arm and a leg for Nintendo and they want to sell the Revolution dirt cheap ($199 or close to that).
Putting expensive hardware in the Revolution in this case just wouldn't be an option.
Would this give similar images on a normal TV in Rev and XB/PS3 ?(as officialy stated)
BTW I never bellived on those specs.
No it won't but officialy Iwata also said he thinks Zelda the Twillight Princess looks similair to Kameo in graphics so what does that say about point of view on similair graphics.
Guilty Bystander, your new here so I think you should do some reading on these forums before posting these kind of claims. The things your saying have been debunked here many times. BTW I happen to have the new Edge Magazine and they do not claim to know anything about the graphical capabilities of Revolution.
Guilty Bystander, your new here so I think you should do some reading on these forums before posting these kind of claims. The things your saying have been debunked here many times. BTW I happen to have the new Edge Magazine and they do not claim to know anything about the graphical capabilities of Revolution.
Great, that's just what I wanted to know before CLOSING the thread.
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