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london-boy
21-Dec-2004, 15:01
From IGN, very informative, hope it's not been posted already. (http://psp.ign.com/articles/574/574557p1.html)
So, lowest with WIFI 2-3 hrs, highest is MP3 playback @ 10+ hrs. Looks ok by me, and the battery life will only improve with time (better batteries, perhaps better manufacturing with time...)
How will it improve for those who have the psp now ? Or do they have to buy a new one or battery to get hte better life ?
Anyway 2-3 hours with wifi is alot less than the 8 hours i can get playing mario ds on well my ds .
sytaylor
21-Dec-2004, 16:00
I still say wait for the second christmas price drop and bios rev.
london-boy
21-Dec-2004, 16:03
How will it improve for those who have the psp now ? Or do they have to buy a new one or battery to get hte better life ?
Anyway 2-3 hours with wifi is alot less than the 8 hours i can get playing mario ds on well my ds .
Yeah well that's why i said, "looks OK by me" and not "OMFG THIS IS FANTABULOUS!!!"...
For existing customers, i guess they can always get new batteries. The "it will get better with time..." was meant for myself, cause i aint gonna get one anytime soon :wink:
Refreshment
21-Dec-2004, 16:11
Those are really good times for the PSP, better than most people expected.
A question, why bring the DS when we talk PSP? I cant visualize how someone can compare the systems.
Yeah well that's why i said, "looks OK by me" and not "OMFG THIS IS FANTABULOUS!!!"...
That is not good enough u brittany spears lover !
A question, why bring the DS when we talk PSP? I cant visualize how someone can compare the systems Why bring up a gto judge when talking about a hemi cuda ? Why bring up nvidia when talking about ati.
Thse are two systems both recently released . Wifi gaming is very important feature and even though I only own 1 game so far on my ds , i've used the wifi option about 80% of the time i've played my ds . 2-3 hours limits the use of wifi . Which is a negative , now if there was no ds , the 2-3 hours with wifi wouldn't be a problem as you couldn't get that feature anywhere else .
rabidrabbit
21-Dec-2004, 16:59
Troll
LogisticX
21-Dec-2004, 17:02
Last I checked DS didn't even have games worth the batteries to play.
rabidrabbit
21-Dec-2004, 17:03
Is this going to be a short thread.
london-boy
21-Dec-2004, 17:06
Oh guys!!! London-Boy never has his threads locked cause they're always troll-free!!! Just get out of here.
rabidrabbit
21-Dec-2004, 17:11
jvd has threadlocks
LogisticX
21-Dec-2004, 17:11
Whatever, he can have his opinion and I can have mine. If he wants to bitch about battery life every thread involving PSP, then I'll bitch too.
london-boy
21-Dec-2004, 17:11
Fine, now get out. Or stop bitching.
LogisticX
21-Dec-2004, 17:17
I assume then that you are going to tell JVD the same?
In any case, I have the right to speak my opinion.
Na i wont lock the thread because i'm involved with it . Sonic will have to do that if he thinks he should.
I pointed something out .Its a valid point . Its a forum where things are being talked about . If you can't stand comparisons you shouldn't post here.
london-boy
21-Dec-2004, 17:24
Everyone, forget it, i'm out of here, this forum is hopeless.
LogisticX
21-Dec-2004, 17:28
Haha, so you derail the other PStwo vs PS2 thread by bringing in sexual innuendos without even talking about the topic at all and suddenly the people in this thread (I assume me being a big part due to my harmless joke comment) are all terrible indication of this board.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out drama queen.
london-boy
21-Dec-2004, 17:31
Haha, so you derail the other PStwo vs PS2 thread by bringing in sexual innuendos without even talking about the topic at all and suddenly the people in this thread (I assume me being a big part due to my harmless joke comment) are all terrible indication of this board.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out drama queen.
Sweetheart, the other thread won't get locked for my usual jokes which i've been doing for the last 3 years. This will. And not because of me.
And i aint going nowhere, i was just leaving this thread, kid.
So basically, it's "OK" to thread crap? No mention of the DS was needed (i.e. one could have just said that 2-3 hrs with WiFi is too short and it would have been fine.) There is no need to compare because all you're doing is inviting other superfluous comparisons between them later on - this WILL invite strife here. Is that what you want?
london-boy
21-Dec-2004, 17:48
So basically, it's "OK" to thread crap? No mention of the DS was needed (i.e. one could have just said that 2-3 hrs with WiFi is too short and it would have been fine.) There is no need to compare because all you're doing is inviting other superfluous comparisons between them later on - this WILL invite strife here. Is that what you want?
Talking to me? I never defended jvd.
I just did what i have learnt to do to avoid threads being locked: do not confront the trolls, especially jvd in his funny moods.
So basically, it's "OK" to thread crap? No mention of the DS was needed (i.e. one could have just said that 2-3 hrs with WiFi is too short and it would have been fine.) There is no need to compare because all you're doing is inviting other superfluous comparisons between them later on - this WILL invite strife here. Is that what you want?
I'm sorry ty , should I lock or delete every thread for every time someone posts something else . Should i lock each cell topic that has mention of the xenon in it ? Should i lock every ds thread that has a psp mention in it ?
Or should i just lock the ones that put sony in a bad light ?
So basically PSP won't be my online-enabled handheld, or MP3 player (another handheld does those better for now). It might be just my gadget to play beautiful offline games and movies :)
So basically PSP won't be my online-enabled handheld, or MP3 player (another handheld does those better for now). It might be just my gadget to play beautiful offline games and movies :)
actually i look foward to seeing how a movie works on it . So far there are no battery tests for that.
IF they could swing 3 hours it should be good for most movies (except lotrs )
I'm sorry ty , should I lock or delete every thread for every time someone posts something else . Should i lock each cell topic that has mention of the xenon in it ? Should i lock every ds thread that has a psp mention in it ?
Or should i just lock the ones that put sony in a bad light ?
Of course not but for someone who is a mod, I guess I expect them to toe a tighter line. If you're OK with people making comparisons (and you'd better be) then that's fine. Just don't bother to lock many threads at all then.
Btw - it's silly of you to consider me a sony fan boy when I own a DC, GCN, & XBox (in that order). No PS1 and no PS2.
Joshua Luna
21-Dec-2004, 18:37
Whatever, he can have his opinion and I can have mine. If he wants to bitch about battery life every thread involving PSP, then I'll bitch too.
This is not just any thread though. The title of the thread is: Tests on PSP battery. jvd and others talking about the battery life, in a thread titled battery life, is fair game.
And comparing the PSP battery time to its hand held competitors (GBA, DS), portable DVD players, MP3 players, and other hand held devices (like PDAs) is relevant to the topic. A test in of itself is only half the story. How it compares to the competition in the markets it hopes to squeeze into are viable discussion.
I am not sure why everyone gets so heated over this. Sony has made a very nice handheld. Nintendo has made yet another very nice handheld. Whatever one comes out on top we do not know, but there is no reason to get brand defensive. I have always enjoyed Nintendo products but I can see the attraction to the PSP. The screen is beautiful and the system itself is sleek. And RR looks to be great (although not my cup of tea). Liking one system does not require hating the other; and liking a system or game does not mean you cannot point out short comings in a product. I know Nintendo and Sony seek to find weak areas in the product so they can make the next one better (or steer customer attention away from those areas!), so we should not be afraid to admit that even our favorite hardware and software could be better. :)
I'm sorry ty , should I lock or delete every thread for every time someone posts something else . Should i lock each cell topic that has mention of the xenon in it ? Should i lock every ds thread that has a psp mention in it ?
Or should i just lock the ones that put sony in a bad light ?
Of course not but for someone who is a mod, I guess I expect them to toe a tighter line. If you're OK with people making comparisons (and you'd better be) then that's fine. Just don't bother to lock many threads at all then.
Btw - it's silly of you to consider me a sony fan boy when I own a DC, GCN, & XBox (in that order). No PS1 and no PS2.
as the poster under you summed it up (So much better than i can) this is a thread about battery life , in a console forum , why wouldn't other protables be talked about . I see no problem in comparing its battery life to the ds battery life .
Anyway 2-3 hours with wifi is alot less than the 8 hours i can get playing mario ds on well my ds .
It is comparing - but is it fair and justified comparing PSP wifi battery length with a handheld a generation behind? These aren't two handhelds with the same technical capabilities - one is obviously a bit more sophisticated and therefore (surprise!) the battery life will take a backstep as well. It's like comparing two laptops - one with way more performance and features than the other and then whining about its shortcomings in battery life.
Lets recap:
We KNOW that DS has superiour battery life.
Who cares how long Mario DS can play with Wifi enabled? Certainly not those interested in buying a PSP and not the DS. The day DS is pushing graphics equivilant to what is found on PSP with superiour battery life - then it would be something different. Until then though, all this nonsense about comparing battery life is just embarrasing. Just give it a rest.
Readykilowatt
21-Dec-2004, 19:29
The "damage control" in this thread is hilarious. Please keep it up. :lol:
Joshua Luna
21-Dec-2004, 19:41
It is comparing - but is it fair and justified comparing PSP wifi battery length with a handheld a generation behind? These aren't two handhelds with the same technical capabilities - one is obviously a bit more sophisticated and therefore (surprise!) the battery life will take a backstep as well. It's like comparing two laptops - one with way more performance and features than the other and then whining about its shortcomings in battery life.
This arguement, to me, is invalid. While the technology may different, they have a very large overlap in intended use--the PSP and DS are primarily portable game playing devices. Technology is irrelevant in many respects due to the very nature of the product. Portable devices needed to be used on the go and the longevity of the battery is vital to the market. What is the point of technology if it is utterly useless for its purpose? Wow, great graphics... and 1hr play time! Woo hoo! That being said, I am *personally* impressed with the 5hr play time for RR. BUT, some (many?) portable users are looking for something more in the 8-12hr range. Therefore, when looking at portable game playing devices it more than fair to look at the consumer needs and compare the products in this respect.
On the flip side, the above arguement has not halted fans of the PSP from comparing the graphics, LCD screen, general design quality/visual appeal, and so forth of the two systems. Why is it fair compare these items but not the battery life? And whether Sony/PSP fans want to acknowledge it or not, Nintendo is the world wide leader in portable gaming. Sony is trying to break in on Nintendo turf--there is no avoiding comparing a new product that is challenging the entrenched leader. And new technology vs old technology is a mute point, because they are competitors. There are many examples of newer technology being unable to unseat older technology.
The basic idea I keep hearing from people when they hear something unpleasant about a system they advocate is "shut up".
We KNOW that DS has superiour battery life.
Who cares how long Mario DS can play with Wifi enabled? Certainly not those interested in buying a PSP and not the DS. The day DS is pushing graphics equivilant to what is found on PSP with superiour battery life - then it would be something different. Until then though, all this nonsense about comparing battery life is just embarrasing. Just give it a rest.
You are correct that those interested in buying the PSP and not the DS could give a hoot about DS battery life--but I think this is where you are going off tangent also. For the consumer who already decided they wanted a PSP everything about the DS is irrelevant. But there are a lot of undecided consumers who want a portable gaming device weighing the benefits of the DS and PSP. I was shocked last month to see a mom being drug into Walmart by her two sons and telling her all about the new Nintendo DS--totally shocked. I was surprised someone was all worked up over it. This goes back to your two two laptop examples. Some laptop users want desktop replacements, other users want long battery life. Obviously for these two type of users they already know what type of laptop they want--so the debate is a mute point to them. But then there is a large spectrum of users between the two, who want great software, but want to take it on the road. And for them COMPARING the two extremes is not academic but relevant.
So this may be embarassing to you, but the reality is for the intended market battery life is a concern. If it is not an issue for you, you could just post "Battery life is irrelevant to me" instead of telling everyone why they are wrong for even comparing them. Every consumer is different; respecting their needs is very relevant and something worth discussing imo.
So, lowest with WIFI 2-3 hrs, highest is MP3 playback @ 10+ hrs. Looks ok by me, and the battery life will only improve with time (better batteries, perhaps better manufacturing with time...)
Last longer than an iPOD for MP3 playback :-)
Every test with max brightness.
Next test with min/ds brightness please...
So, lowest with WIFI 2-3 hrs, highest is MP3 playback @ 10+ hrs. Looks ok by me, and the battery life will only improve with time (better batteries, perhaps better manufacturing with time...)
Last longer than an iPOD for MP3 playback :-)
Every test with max brightness.
Next test with min/ds brightness please...
mp3 playback was with the screen turned off. BTW can it be set to automatically switch off?
Guden Oden
21-Dec-2004, 20:31
Those that worry about PSP battery life, just get the external battery pack mmkay? Or better yet perhaps: DON'T BUY ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Nobody's forcing you to even touch a PSP, much less spend money on one.
darkblu
21-Dec-2004, 20:38
Those that worry about PSP battery life, just get the external battery pack mmkay? Or better yet perhaps: DON'T BUY ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Nobody's forcing you to even touch a PSP, much less spend money on one.
perhaps some of those worrying about psp's battery life are considering purchasing it?
IF they could swing 3 hours it should be good for most movies (except lotrs )
From the latest reports, it's 4H for movie playback from the UMD drive, and obviously more if you use the Memory Stick.
Guden Oden
21-Dec-2004, 21:18
perhaps some of those worrying about psp's battery life are considering purchasing it?
So buy the battery pack then, FFS...
darkblu
21-Dec-2004, 21:27
perhaps some of those worrying about psp's battery life are considering purchasing it?
So buy the battery pack then, FFS...
perhaps not everybody feels comfortable swaying aroung a battery pack on a cable?
perhaps some of those worrying about psp's battery life are considering purchasing it?
So buy the battery pack then, FFS...
perhaps not everybody feels comfortable swaying aroung a battery pack on a cable?
I can't imagine how many times in real life the average person could actually play the PSP for 4 hours a day.
Joshua Luna
21-Dec-2004, 22:21
I can't imagine how many times in real life the average person could actually play the PSP for 4 hours a day.
Traveling. Getting in a taxi, catching a few connecting flights, getting another taxi to a hotel. Also, kids on trips or when away from home (::cough::school::cough::). Long car pools and taking a bus into work could also put a good dent into 4 hours depending on your commuting situation. I am sure there are other examples, but those are some I know of :)
And considering the PSP is not just for games, but for music, movies, wifi, and more, I can see where battery life could be a question to many consumers. e.g. I have no clue why someone would need a MP3 player with a long battery life, because frankly I listen to very little music. But my friends who have MP3 players want the long battery life. 10hrs for the PSP is pretty good in my book btw, but I am not the target user either since I don't listen to much music. It all boils down to how you use it. Some have more down time than others and will use it for different purposes.
It would be very interesting to see studies on HOW people use these devices. BUT, and this is a big but, the reality is Nintendo, MS, Sony, ATI, Nvidia, and so on, frequently sell on features, even if scarcely used. That is why they build hype. Get the hype, release a couple killer apps and viola! Not saying that is the case here (I think battery life is relevant for a portable gaming system), but it is a common trend. I wish an unnamed company would catch onto the fact that hype is good for stirring up interest... most of us want to cut through the hype, but a good buzz before a launch helps.
Before anyone jumps on me I am not trying to be negative--I think the PSP is a very neat device. Quality Music and console quality games are great--especially on that beatiful screen! Man alive is that thing pretty!! But like any game device we will have to see what killer apps come out, but I am sure they will come. The question will they come out fast enough to compete with Nin--we will see! :) I am not too sold on the movies though... not that I would not like to be, but after paying $20 for a DVD I do not feel like paying another $20 for another copy which I may watch once or twice. WiFi is interesting... I just want to see more uses before I make a judgement. No comment on the Sony memory sticks. Anyone notice you can get a 1GB SD disk for less than $50?
Overall I think the PSP is a great device. I wont be getting one right away because there is no software I am interested in. It is also a little expensive right now and first version console releases tend to have problems. But if the PSP can build up a nice software lineup I could be interested. Nothing against the PSP (and its great hardware), but it is about the games. When it stops being a great technical device and starts becoming a great gaming platform I will take another look :)
cthellis42
21-Dec-2004, 22:41
IF they could swing 3 hours it should be good for most movies (except lotrs )
From the latest reports, it's 4H for movie playback from the UMD drive, and obviously more if you use the Memory Stick.
I was wondering why they didn't include a UMD movie watching test in there, but I guess they wanted to satisfy other non-tested directions first (UMD spinning in a game) since UMD-movie tests have been done before, and to my knowledge have all come out around 5 hours, which about lines up with the constant-UMD-use-in-a-game test IGN did. (Which makes sense I guess, as using the device for low-demand gaming would probably line up near the same chipset drain for playing UMD's from disk.)
DemoCoder
21-Dec-2004, 23:59
I fly frequently on long transoceanic flights, and I take my GBA with me. I've *NEVER* played for more than 4 hours. Eyestrain, neck strain, etc
The PSP actually gets battery life on par with my laptop, and I *do* use my laptop for more than 4 hours doing work on flights sometimes. (extra batteries, or if I'm lucky, power connector in business class)
This battery power argument is just a way for people to boost a technically inferior handheld. I'll probably own both a DS and PSP, but the PSP looks superior to me in everyregard that matters: brightness and contrast ratio in presence of ambient light, graphics, sound, movie playback, and future software title availability.
There are some people who talk ceaselessly on their cell phones, for whom, a 2-4 hour "talk time" battery life isn't good enough. For the vast majority of people however, 2-4 hours is good enough, and they will look for better signal quality, ergonomics, and features.
Ditto for DS. The battery life for the PSP isn't a deal breaker. Most people own devices with similar continuous usage battery life (iPOD, mobile phone, etc) The f4nb0ys just want to find some feature or excuse with which they can justify bashing the PSP.
The only thing missing from the PSP is a CDMA/GSM "card". Then I'd just carry it around all the time.
cthellis42
22-Dec-2004, 00:09
Anyone notice you can get a 1GB SD disk for less than $50?
You should probably specifiy whether you're talking about SanDisk or Secure Digital. ;) I assume the latter from your comment, however. Memory Stick definitely has some catching up to do before it's at the price/storage level of Compact Flash or Secure Digital... Though offhand I don't know how performance comparisons between them go. (Especially since anything that high-capacity for MS is a Pro.)
Too bad Duos are so damn small, though... I don't think there will be any conveters to Duo for a long time. :P
Fafalada
22-Dec-2004, 00:38
You should probably specifiy whether you're talking about SanDisk or Secure Digital. I assume the latter from your comment, however. Memory Stick definitely has some catching up to do before it's at the price/storage level of Compact Flash or Secure Digital...
Actually there is nothing out there that even remotely catches up to Compact Flash, whether you look to max capacity or capacity/$ ratio.
SD prices on the other hand, are roughly in the same range as MemoryStick Pro(non DUO)- it's the DUOs that need to do caching up price wise.
But no use bitching about Sony choosing Duos for PSP now, one can only hope its sales will be good enough to drive DUO prices down too.
Yes you can't fly cross country on a single charge.
But it sounds like it should be sufficient for any other use. Should cover the longest commutes.
But then again, if you have to recharge more frequently, the battery may need to be replaced sooner than later.
cthellis42
22-Dec-2004, 03:44
Actually there is nothing out there that even remotely catches up to Compact Flash, whether you look to max capacity or capacity/$ ratio.
SD prices on the other hand, are roughly in the same range as MemoryStick Pro(non DUO)- it's the DUOs that need to do caching up price wise.
Well, if you look on the likes of NewEgg, 1GB Secure Digital cards are available from a number of parties starting around the $70-75 range, whereas CF starts at around $65-70. 512MB, same thing.
MS Pro in general is about twice as much at each price level. (Regular old non-pro doesn't seem to go that high, or at least if it does it's not available in volume. Non-Pro Duo are similarly unavailable.) On NewEgg Pro and Pro Duo are similarly priced (and on places like Directron and TigerDirect, unavailable. Go to retail stores like BestBuy and CompUSA and the prices get much worse. Sadly pricewatch.com's "memory stick" section is confused by too many other products to track.) at 512MB (around $75), so I think it's not going to end up being so much on "Duo"s end but the "Pro" end. Or just the "MS" end in general, as even non-Pros are not in any real line with Compact Flash or Secure Digital.
Considering the last time I knew (about a year ago) the US marketshare was about 30% SD, 29% CF and 22% MS, I don't see any real reason for the huge divergence, except that Sony knows they have built-in proprietary profiting they can do from their other popular electronics. It would be nice of them to compete in the same fashion SD and CF do in the future, though.
Unless there are other real technical factors that set MS apart from the others. But offhand I can't think of anything major, and most consumers wouldn't notice or care. They just want storage++ for cash-- :P
This battery power argument is just a way for people to boost a technically inferior handheld.
I'm sure some people just use battery life concerns to bash PSP in order to defend DS. Just like others will use arguments on processing power only to bash DS in order to defend PSP. But to many people these are geniune reasons why they chose one system or the other. So to suggest that no'one is actually concerned by PSP's battery life is very naive indeed.
Just to comment on the article itself and its findings. 3.5 hours in Ridge Racer with max sound and brightness and no WiFi. Now that sounds a lot more believable then the 5 hour gameplay stories we were hearing.
cthellis42
22-Dec-2004, 09:49
Just to comment on article itself and its findings. 3.5 hours in Ridge Racer with max sound and brightness and no WiFi. Now that sounds a lot more believable then the 5 hour gameplay stories we were hearing.
Actually, it lines up pretty well with the official figures they gave, which if you recall were saying ~4 hours for graphically demanding titles, and ~6 hours for the ones less so. Darkstalkers hit 5:09 with the UMD constantly spinning, and although I don't know how much more time they would gain playing Darkstalkers under normal parameters (sans the spinning), it would certainly kick the gametime closer to six hours. Other games like their Mah-jongg and puzzle titles would almost assuredly be there. The word "gameplay" includes a broad range.
Basically, though, the "stories" tend to come from people not paying attention. Or came from sources similar to those proclaiming the device would be lucky to get 2 hours or be able to play a whole movie on the UMD. It's actually been reasonably close to their stated figures, with WiFi being one of the wild cards (that thankfully IGN's crop of tests gives more insight into. Needs more tests, though.) we've been waiting to see in action.
And considering the usual relationship of "high-performance" games to "other stuff that's made" the average game will probably be right around 5 hours. ;) The likes of RR and GT, though... Heh.
Still be good to see more brackets of tests like that so we can specifically evaluate other areas, though: screen brightness levels, audio between speaker and headphones and at various sound levels, MP3 playing with the screen on and off... And, of course, the ever-popular "how well does the batter retain its capacity over time" category. ^_^
There are, however, only so many hours in a day, and only so many PSP's they can use. Hehe... IGN's been pretty good with the testing so far, at least.
Just to comment on article itself and its findings. 3.5 hours in Ridge Racer with max sound and brightness and no WiFi. Now that sounds a lot more believable then the 5 hour gameplay stories we were hearing.
Max brightness + max speaker volume is already unlikely condition when min brightness is not less brighter than NDS's only setting.
cthellis42
I wasn't talking about Sony's estimated battery life numbers. I was talking about stories coming from some early adopters claiming that RR lasted 5 hours with max sound and brightness.
Refreshment
22-Dec-2004, 15:43
The problem i see is not the comparisons, that comparisons exist is just natural, what i dont understand is how you can compare this system to a DS. Not even on the same league.
I think the performance, specs/battery life on the PSP is superior (relativly) to the performance, specs/battery life of the DS.
Also in gfx intensive game like RR they are close to 5 hours by playing with the settings, damn good. And its easy to switch batteries if you want to keep going.
Just thinking that you can have a FPS that holds very well to todays standars on PSP, imagine setting Lan parties withouth having to move alot of equipment or worring about space or electric bills. Hell even if you play plugged to the wall is just great.
Theres probably a space for the DS, is just that it hasnt produced a significan shift in gaming and it fails to match the handheld expirience the PSP provides.
For the memory cards i got one for my sony camera , it was 512mbs for 35 on black friday , normaly 70$ But it wasn't sony brand , it was a knock off
Also in gfx intensive game like RR they are close to 5 hours by playing with the settings, damn good. And its easy to switch batteries if you want to keep going.
5 hours damn good? Tell that to a child that wants to take it to his friend's home and can't because it's charging. Sure they made you think this was good, but considering that the original GB lasted 36 hours WITH BATTERIES, 5 hours it's like http://s91489365.onlinehome.us/images/vomitos.gif
If you can't make a system last long with the battery, then DON'T RELEASE IT UNTIL YOU CAN. We are judging these systems from a power user standpoint, but for a 10 years old child, this is plain unacceptable. It's not that 5 hours of gameplay is not very much, but if you play 2 hours in the morning and want to take it with you in the evening, you have to charge it or take another battery with you, and tell that to a 10-12 years old boy (they are who are gonna buy the portable systems in great quantities)
london-boy
22-Dec-2004, 17:40
Also in gfx intensive game like RR they are close to 5 hours by playing with the settings, damn good. And its easy to switch batteries if you want to keep going.
5 hours damn good? Tell that to a child that wants to take it to his friend's home and can't because it's charging. Sure they made you think this was good, but considering that the original GB lasted 36 hours WITH BATTERIES, 5 hours it's like http://s91489365.onlinehome.us/images/vomitos.gif
Dear god..... :|
5 hours damn good? Tell that to a child that wants to take it to his friend's home and can't because it's charging.
Sony, destroying the childrens dreams!
Seriously, how many times a day do you think some toys runs out of battery?
Use a good example, like those 6 billion people that travel 10 hours every day and just can't live with a PSP for the same reason. Or is that a made up problem?
Bitching about battery problems has gone from somewhat valid (the rumoured 2 hour max) to pointless with up to 5 hours usage.
[quote=Apoc]Seriously, how many times a day do you think some toys runs out of battery?
Less than the psp will.
london-boy
22-Dec-2004, 19:07
The point is, Albert, if the kids are so needy of longer battery life instead of a sophisticated machine they actually have to think about not breaking unless they want to die by the hands of their parents who just spent the best part of 300 quid for one, they won't freaking buy the thing!!
Just like you, if 5 Hrs is just not enough, go get a DS and enjoy your 7-8 hours with it, if you think the difference is like night and day.
Less than the psp will.
You don't get it, when those toys run out it's a dead toy. Then it's up to the parents to buy new batteries. But omg imagine having to recharge every 5 hours!
Less than the psp will.
You don't get it, when those toys run out it's a dead toy. Then it's up to the parents to buy new batteries. But omg imagine having to recharge every 5 hours!
For you is nothing, but for a kid is a pain in the ass, as I have checked (my brother and his friends).
Guden Oden
22-Dec-2004, 19:49
Apoc,
You're just acting like a trolly bitch the way you're going on about battery life right now.
There's two options open for you:
* Buy the extra battery pack if you fly cross-country every day, or maybe bring a book or something instead, WTF is wrong with you?
* Don't buy the damn thing if you hate it so much.
...But whatever you do, just shut up already, ALRIGHT?
cthellis42
22-Dec-2004, 20:12
I wasn't talking about Sony's estimated battery life numbers. I was talking about stories coming from some early adopters claiming that RR lasted 5 hours with max sound and brightness.
Hm. Unless you're talking about a few random MB posts, I haven't actually seen stuff like that bandied about. This is the internet, after all... Name something you think you should be able to see, and it shows you way too much more. Usually with donkeys. :wink:
For you is nothing, but for a kid is a pain in the ass, as I have checked (my brother and his friends).
Frankly, if the kid is getting a DS or PSP from their parents, it's not really a pain in the ass in the slightest. ;) The gifting and random purchase levels have sure gone up some my day.
Joshua Luna
22-Dec-2004, 20:40
Use a good example, like those 6 billion people that travel 10 hours every day and just can't live with a PSP for the same reason. Or is that a made up problem?
-tkf-
My examples (one was people who travel) were not made up, but actual examples from people I know who use these types of devices. Just because you do not use it this way does not mean it is invalid.
Guden Oden
I agree that some of the discussion has been over the top, but a lot of the pro-Sony camp has also been overly sensative to this issue. This is a PSP battery thread, and since it is a portable gaming device it is a valid topic to discuss. Hopefully you do not believe any discussion of this topic is invalid.
Evil_Cloud
22-Dec-2004, 20:44
http://www.freerecordshop.nl/pages/productview.asp?productid=696322
First European PSP prices are appearing on the internet...
For €250, I hope this will be the price of the value package, otherwise Sony is quite screwed.
That's +300 dollar. ;)
cthellis42
22-Dec-2004, 20:52
First European PSP prices are appearing on the internet...
For €250, I hope this will be the price of the value package, otherwise Sony is quite screwed.
That's +300 dollar. ;)
Every DS game right up until launch on EB Games and Gamespot was $50. The DS itself most places sat at $200. I don't think one can trust merchant prices until right next to the launch when they've had firm MSRP given and actually purchased the games themselves. Until then, I think they adopt a "placeholder" price point that's best described as "we assume it will be no greater then XXX, so that's what we're going to tell you until we know for sure. Better safe than sorry."
Those prices would include about 20% VAT right?
...But whatever you do, just shut up already, ALRIGHT?
No, not right, I'm not gonna shut up because what I think doesn't like you.
My point is a perfectly valid one. FOR ME, a battery that lasts 5 hours (or 8-10 in the case of DS) is a JOKE for a portable console. You like my point? Fine. You don't like it? Fine, don't read my posts or ignore me. But you are no one to tell me or anyone to shut up.
Evil_Cloud
22-Dec-2004, 23:09
Those prices would include about 20% VAT right?
Around 20% yes. In most European countries, that's about the percentage for electronics. ;)
SedentaryJourney
22-Dec-2004, 23:32
So the big question for anyone who isn't an early adopter is: will battery life improve, and how long will it take?
Evil_Cloud
22-Dec-2004, 23:44
So the big question for anyone who isn't an early adopter is: will battery life improve, and how long will it take?
I don't really think it will improve over the following years, they'll just want to cash in on $50 external batteries. :)
On the other hand, they could come up with the slimline PSP like they have with the PS2 and reignite some sales momentum. Advertise it as better battery life.
Or it's the PSP version of the GBA SP.
Hopefully, some third parties will market batteries, like they do for digital cameras.
I'm loving my DS and I'll be one of the first in line for PSP. Yes, they are two totally different systems that offer totally different gaming experiences but there will and is comparisons being drawn. I'm not very happy with 2-3 hrs for PSP's battery life. Time sucks away quickly when I'm enjoying a good game and 2-3 hrs is gonna feel like a mere 30 minutes. This will surely put a vice on descent sized RPG's for the system imo. Especially for travel and beach use. I've literally played my GBASP 7-8 hrs laying on the beach. Don't laugh some ppl read paperback novels...I play games.
I can already see how this battle will be shaping up. Sony camp will complain about DS's graphics. Nintendoods will complain about PSP's battery. I think it's a trade off. I'll love both systems for thier own strengths. And leave complaining about thier faults to the zealots.
btw,Theres probably a space for the DS, is just that it hasnt produced a significan shift in gaming and it fails to match the handheld expirience the PSP provides.
Spoken like a tried and true troll. We're only seeing the tip of the iceberg afa innovative DS software. I'm very happy with the launch lineup (as anemic as it is..but are'nt all launches such?) I've never had a "handheld experience" like this. I never thought I'd be hastily drawing trampolines for a bunch of Mario's to jump to safety. Never thought I'd actually be 'blowing' a sail boat around in a game. Nor 'blowing' out candles too. My Xbox and GCN have collected dust since I got my DS. Never thought I'd be pictochatting for 3 hrs going down the interstate with my nephews in the car behind me while traveling to my aunt's house. Now THAT was a cool new handheld "experience" my friend. We also had a 4 player game of Metroid First Hunt going with ppl in 3 different cars for about 30 min more. Then we went through Knoxville and got a little cross interference.
Just in the short time the DS has been out I already see a new gaming trend emerging..food courts. Yes that's right. I read someone at another forum saying he'd been 'meeting' ppl at the mall via pictochat. So being the geek that I am I went and tried it at my lil ole mall food court and I'll be damned if there were'nt two chat rooms going. That really impressed me with the userbase still relatively new and small. Just think what it'll be like after Christmas. Maybe able to get some serious Metroid turnys going. It'll really be neat when the final game comes out this summer..along with other great multiplayer games.
So to sum it up I think the DS is a phenomenal piece of hardware with only the greatest of game titles yet to come. The PSP is still a ways off here in the US..But I can't wait! I'll love PSP for awsome consolelike graphics and hopefully some great games coming down the pipeline. Both systems can be enjoyed by gamers in totally different ways. I know I will.
Joshua Luna
23-Dec-2004, 01:55
So to sum it up I think the DS is a phenomenal piece of hardware with only the greatest of game titles yet to come. The PSP is still a ways off here in the US..But I can't wait! I'll love PSP for awsome consolelike graphics and hopefully some great games coming down the pipeline. Both systems can be enjoyed by gamers in totally different ways. I know I will.
Quoted for emphasis. :wink: Both have strong points. We can discuss these and still recognize they both are pretty neat systems.
Guden Oden
23-Dec-2004, 02:14
My point is a perfectly valid one. FOR ME, a battery that lasts 5 hours (or 8-10 in the case of DS) is a JOKE for a portable console. You like my point? Fine. You don't like it? Fine, don't read my posts or ignore me. But you are no one to tell me or anyone to shut up.
You've fucking stated your point already. Now you're just in bash-sony-mode repeating yourself over and over without adding anything new. We know you think it sucks because you've said so multiple times, and most agree you're a kook for thinking the way you do. Now get over it and stop your thread-crapping. It's really annoying.
Not because you think PSP battery life sucks, but because you're repeating the exact same pointless argument over and over.
london-boy
23-Dec-2004, 10:15
...But whatever you do, just shut up already, ALRIGHT?
No, not right, I'm not gonna shut up because what I think doesn't like you.
My point is a perfectly valid one. FOR ME, a battery that lasts 5 hours (or 8-10 in the case of DS) is a JOKE for a portable console. You like my point? Fine. You don't like it? Fine, don't read my posts or ignore me. But you are no one to tell me or anyone to shut up.
What exactly are you complaining about then?
The fact that Humans still haven't been able, after more than a hundred years of harnessing electricity, to make batteries that last forever?
We should all die of a slow death, it's totally unacceptable. :roll:
Batteries are batteries. Not much lasts more than 20 hours, sometimes 30 dependign on what it is you're using. You have in your hands handheld systems that are more powerful than the last generation home consoles. Get over yourself, if you don't like it, look somewhere else, we will enjoy ourselves in the meantime.
Complaining about "short battery life" for both PSP and DS, comparing them to toys that apparently last 36 hours with different kind of batteries, is stupid. What are these toys anyway?? :roll:
Just get out of here.
london-boy
23-Dec-2004, 10:16
Guden, can u just tone it down.
My point is a perfectly valid one. FOR ME, a battery that lasts 5 hours (or 8-10 in the case of DS) is a JOKE for a portable console. You like my point? Fine. You don't like it? Fine, don't read my posts or ignore me. But you are no one to tell me or anyone to shut up.
You've fucking stated your point already. Now you're just in bash-sony-mode repeating yourself over and over without adding anything new. We know you think it sucks because you've said so multiple times, and most agree you're a kook for thinking the way you do. Now get over it and stop your thread-crapping. It's really annoying.
Not because you think PSP battery life sucks, but because you're repeating the exact same pointless argument over and over.
As I already made my point I will leave this thread. I wasn't repeating, I was stating what is my point, and after you told to shut up (which is something you are no one to tell) I was repeating my point of view because it seemed like you didn't understand. Now, it's clear I'll leave, but not without an advice. Take off your sony bias, and see the new "portable" consoles (and other hardware too) as a normal user, not a power user. You'll see that normal users (who are the ones that are gonna buy the systems/hardware mostly) don't look for what us power users look for. Then you might see where those companies are failling.
london-boy
23-Dec-2004, 10:44
Right. Thank you for contributing to this thread. Bye.
Shifty Geezer
23-Dec-2004, 11:25
So the big question for anyone who isn't an early adopter is: will battery life improve, and how long will it take?
Looking on t' net, seems 1800 mAh Li-Ions is the best technology available at the moment. Though I expect better batteries in future (2200-2300 mAh) I don't know when. The best solution is fuel cells which are supposed to be rolling out soon for portable electronic devices Mobion Fuel Cells (http://http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/company/)
Speaking of comparing DS and PSP battery, has anyone got official figures on DS? On another forum talking about this, a guy with a DS was saying XX/XY lasted 5 hours on his DS. Considering its the same battery as the GBA on more power-hungry hardware, I don't find this difficult to believe. So perhaps both systems manage 5 hours and this 'which is worst' debate is irrelevant!
london-boy
23-Dec-2004, 11:31
This thread was never intended as a PSP vs DS thread by the original poster (ME).
Anyway, i don't see why on earth would DS last just as long as PSP having no moving parts, and a chipset which is a lot less power hungry than the PSP.
It wouldn't make sense.
So the big question for anyone who isn't an early adopter is: will battery life improve, and how long will it take?
Looking on t' net, seems 1800 mAh Li-Ions is the best technology available at the moment. Though I expect better batteries in future (2200-2300 mAh) I don't know when. The best solution is fuel cells which are supposed to be rolling out soon for portable electronic devices Mobion Fuel Cells (http://http://www.mtimicrofuelcells.com/company/)
That'd be nice 8) Speaking of improvements - it's not necessary to have a better battery. As a matter of fact I'm about to bring my mobile for a firmware upgrade that literally more than doubles it's uptime (!) from 2-3 days up to 5-6. So yes, I expect Sony to bring improvements both in hardware and software.
PS. Considering how a PSP is supposed to be (and looks like) a decent mp3 player you have to count on it being used that way. Most of the time actually. Think about it for a moment.
edit: spelling. need more practice.
Shifty Geezer
23-Dec-2004, 12:25
Anyway, i don't see why on earth would DS last just as long as PSP having no moving parts, and a chipset which is a lot less power hungry than the PSP.
It wouldn't make sense.
DS's battery = 850 mAh. PSP's battery = 1800 mAh. If DS uses half as much power as PSP, with a battery with half as much energy it'll last just as long.
london-boy
23-Dec-2004, 12:28
If anyone's interested, very in-depth MP3 playback PSP impressions from IGN (They're getting very good at this kind of things i noticed) (http://psp.ign.com/articles/573/573413p1.html)
PS. Considering how a PSP is supposed to be (and looks like) a descent mp3 player you have to count on it being used that way. Most of the time actually. Think about it for a moment.
I highly doubt this .
You have the psp which is what 200$ usd when it comes out , then u have 512 meg sony card http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-191-221&depa=7 for 89$
YOu can get a 512 meg flash player for around 65$ now or u can get an ipod mini or creative labs thingy for 250$ that are both 4 gigs or a 20 gig ipod for 300$ .
It will make for a very expensive mp3 player and if someone is planing on using a device for mp3s most of the time which is another way of saying the majority of the time , they would buy a dedicated mp3 player for that .
This is a gaming machine , it is going to be used first and formost as that .
london-boy
23-Dec-2004, 12:31
DS's battery = 850 mAh. PSP's battery = 1800 mAh. If DS uses half as much power as PSP, with a battery with half as much energy it'll last just as long.
Oh i see.
But i do expect the DS to be sucking a bit less power than just half that of PSP.
Remember that for all devices, most of the power is sucked by the disc spinning.
But yeah i still have to see an in-depth review of DS power consumpion levels and battery durability.
london-boy
23-Dec-2004, 12:35
PS. Considering how a PSP is supposed to be (and looks like) a descent mp3 player you have to count on it being used that way. Most of the time actually. Think about it for a moment.
I highly doubt this .
You have the psp which is what 200$ usd when it comes out , then u have 512 meg sony card http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-191-221&depa=7 for 89$
YOu can get a 512 meg flash player for around 65$ now or u can get an ipod mini or creative labs thingy for 250$ that are both 4 gigs or a 20 gig ipod for 300$ .
It will make for a very expensive mp3 player and if someone is planing on using a device for mp3s most of the time which is another way of saying the majority of the time , they would buy a dedicated mp3 player for that .
This is a gaming machine , it is going to be used first and formost as that .
That's not the way i look at it.
The way i look at it is that people will obviously buy the PSP for the games, but in the end they will end up using the MP3 playback a whole lot. We can't say how much of their time would be spent listening to MP3s, cause everyone's different, but look at it this way, my new phone has MP3 playback, and i've spent a lot more time listening to that than using it for calls or texts, which is its primary function.
MP3 playback is a very useful thing to have these days, even if people don't buy PSP for MP3 playback, which they won't, the feature will be used a whole lot cause people love music, and it's easier to have just the PSP in their bags or pockets than the PSP and an iPod...
But yeah i still have to see an in-depth review of DS power consumpion levels and battery durability.
Can't tell u about the durability as its only 3 weeks old .
But running mario 64 with my friends all playing on wifi we got 8 hours , we had to switch off gameboys haha . And yes we had a good 8 hour block of time to play , got my sister and her friends in ithaca which is 4 hours from here and then went to canda which is another 4 hours from there (See the falls )
The best i've seen it do is my not charging it for a few days with about 12 hours of play on it. But i charged it before it started to die .
Shifty Geezer
23-Dec-2004, 13:07
Oh i see.
But i do expect the DS to be sucking a bit less power than just half that of PSP.
Remember that for all devices, most of the power is sucked by the disc spinning.
IGN's report suggests the UMD isn't as bad as first feared. Their UMD test drained the battery in 5 hours, and that's with the screen at full brightness. I think the DS's two screens would be pretty draining, and isn't the WiFi always on?
StefanS
23-Dec-2004, 13:36
IGN's report suggests the UMD isn't as bad as first feared. Their UMD test drained the battery in 5 hours, and that's with the screen at full brightness. I think the DS's two screens would be pretty draining, and isn't the WiFi always on?
Screen size = power consumption; DS screens area is almost as big as PSP; WiFi can be turned off as well, as far as I know.
If anyone's interested, very in-depth MP3 playback PSP impressions from IGN (They're getting very good at this kind of things i noticed) (http://psp.ign.com/articles/573/573413p1.html)
Feeding the trolls, aren't we ;) (kidding, thanks for the link, very informative)
london-boy
23-Dec-2004, 13:57
Feeding the trolls, aren't we ;) (kidding, thanks for the link, very informative)
:D (New smiley!!)
Nah, troll food is way too expensive for me, especially at xmas time when i have to spend money for... me...
So the big question for anyone who isn't an early adopter is: will battery life improve, and how long will it take?
When they'll switch to 65nm process, and if they keep the same batteries, battery life will improve.
Also the new revisions would also contains less, and we can expect, improved, parts, which would also help reducing the power comsuption.
One would also suggest that by that time, 2200mAh batteries would be available by then, official batteries from Sony or at least third party batteries.
DS green light is blinking when you are in WiFi mode. So it's not "on all the time"..only when you are engaged in a wireless multi game with others. We've gotten over 8 hrs when playing with wifi RR and SM64DS. Don't believe PSP is gonna get nowhere near that. But as I said earlier..it's a trade off with between the systems. I do however think that it'd be a logical solution for Sony to include a car charger with each system. They could easily eat the cost.
it's easier to have just the PSP in their bags or pockets than the PSP and an iPod...
And it's a lot easier just to have the iPod when you're specifically going to listen to music than an iPod and a PSP. Like say to go work out.
MP3 is a bonus thing. You're going to get a Memory Stick Duo so if you get a big enough capacity one, you can put some music on it (but if you own an iPod, a lot of your music may be in AAC format or even protected by Fairplay DRM).
I think I tried playing a CD on my consoles maybe once and never again. The capability is there but you just don't use it. It might have swayed your purchasing decision as you marked it off in the checklist but once you got it, you never really used it.
london-boy
23-Dec-2004, 15:54
it's easier to have just the PSP in their bags or pockets than the PSP and an iPod...
And it's a lot easier just to have the iPod when you're specifically going to listen to music than an iPod and a PSP. Like say to go work out.
MP3 is a bonus thing. You're going to get a Memory Stick Duo so if you get a big enough capacity one, you can put some music on it (but if you own an iPod, a lot of your music may be in AAC format or even protected by Fairplay DRM).
I think I tried playing a CD on my consoles maybe once and never again. The capability is there but you just don't use it. It might have swayed your purchasing decision as you marked it off in the checklist but once you got it, you never really used it.
That's why my point is sligthly different.
I said, people will not buy PSP for music playback. But "since it's there", it's a nice useful feature people will surely use when their thumbs are tired, when on a plane u get a stiff neck from playing games on the PSP and need a break. Also while walking around, it's nice to have some music on, and if people know they're gonna play a bit later on in the day and put their PSP in their pocket (big pocket), they'll turn some Britney on from the station to the office, without the need for a second device like a proper MP3 player......
See what i mean?
If someone ever got a combo device (phone/PDA/MP3/game player/camera) in the perfect form factor with good performance in most of these functions, they could make bank.
Probably impossible.
Then again, I think there are gadgetphiles who love collecting many feature-specific devices as possible. And constantly trading them up.
Surprised nobody has come out with a Batman utility belt for all this stuff. Levis used to have this Dockers commercial for pants which had deep pockets which could hold all this gear without the stuff bulging out.
Refreshment
23-Dec-2004, 19:11
Its the DS using WIFI in the cuarrent games or is it using Nintendo's wireless standar? I think i read reports sugesting no WIFI as of now in games, maybe Picto chat, but im not sure. If thats the case the battery will last less with wifi.
The advantage in procesing power doesnt mean you have to spend it in graphics, things like complex phisycs and massive number of objects or units are things that the PSP provides for a handheld gaming, things that suits well genres like MMORPGs for example.
Cuarrently companies havent achieve what can be done creativly with this round of consoles and we are still using (in the mayority of cases) the same control and interface methods introduced in the previous generation.
I never thought I'd be hastily drawing trampolines for a bunch of Mario's to jump to safety. Never thought I'd actually be 'blowing' a sail boat around in a game. Nor 'blowing' out candles too. Never thought I'd be pictochatting for 3 hrs going down the interstate with my nephews in the car behind me while traveling to my aunt's house. We also had a 4 player game of Metroid First Hunt going with ppl in 3 different cars for about 30 min more. [/b]
Of that list you got there, the part in bold is the only one i think it cant be reproduced with PSP. And so far i dont think is an important step ahead. And i suggested in the post that theres probably a place for DS.
Now compare the projects for both handhelds, i think PSP has more concrete ones, as for DS theres alot of anounced stuff that can make the shift to PSP, since the projects are not unvieled enough.
Its the DS using WIFI in the cuarrent games or is it using Nintendo's wireless standar? I think i read reports sugesting no WIFI as of now in games, maybe Picto chat, but im not sure. If thats the case the battery will last less with wifi.
um it is using the wifi . How else would it work. It needs to use its wireless lan to hook up to other nds
said, people will not buy PSP for music playback. But "since it's there", it's a nice useful feature people will surely use when their thumbs are tired, when on a plane u get a stiff neck from playing games on the PSP and need a break. Also while walking around, it's nice to have some music on, and if people know they're gonna play a bit later on in the day and put their PSP in their pocket (big pocket), they'll turn some Britney on from the station to the office, without the need for a second device like a proper MP3 player......
See what i mean? Where are u going to put the damn thing ?
ITs extremely bulky and has a huge screen waiting to get scratched up.
Not only that but since its there and most of the time are not the same things .
Sure i can see if your on a plane you would listen. But then again that is at most only a few hours . IF your going to london from jersey that 12 hour flight is just to much for a psp . It will last longer than u can listen to music and more than twice as long as you can play games. not to mention needed special power adapters if u want to use it on the flight back.
Now by bringing an ipod and a ds . I will have 13 hours of music and 12 hours of gaming . Not only that but any pc with a usb or fire wire port will charge my pod .
This is exactly what i'm doing in febuary when i vist my sister and that psp (That i know my sister got me ) under the tree wont be making the trip with me . Because its not good for more than short trips .
Its like the psp equals one of those 4 grand dell laptops with the 9800 chip and a p4 ee chip that when playing games gets an hour of batterys . Great for playing games on short trips . But for anything more than a short trip a normal lap top that gets better battery life is the way to go
Refreshment
23-Dec-2004, 19:46
um it is using the wifi . How else would it work. It needs to use its wireless lan to hook up to other nds
As is my understanding DS uses two linking protocols. WIFI, the other, Nintendos own wich is less energy demanding. I think its similar to the one motorola developed for them, the one used in Pokemon Leafs games.
London to Jersey is a 13 hr flight? My Hawaii to London (Gatwick) was only 15. What the hell kind of flight are you on? And imo, the DS is nearly as bulky as the PSP. Mind you, if you just mean the PSP is bulky compared to the average mp3 player, then yep, no question about it there!
DS's battery = 850 mAh. PSP's battery = 1800 mAh. If DS uses half as much power as PSP, with a battery with half as much energy it'll last just as long.
Oh i see.
But i do expect the DS to be sucking a bit less power than just half that of PSP.
Remember that for all devices, most of the power is sucked by the disc spinning.
But yeah i still have to see an in-depth review of DS power consumpion levels and battery durability.
I believe DS's battery life is running about 7-11 hours. You might find a situation where the battery life can drop to 5 hours though, just as you can find situations where the psp's battery can drop below 1 hour. BTW, I think a 3rd party 1800mah battery should be made for the DS or nintendo should make future models have 1 standard, then it could really rub battery life in the psp's face.
BTW, how much bigger is the DS than the original GBA? I find the gba a fine size to fit in my pocket, just it has no light and lacks a screen protector, and putting either of those on the system would increase it to uncomfortable size.
London to Jersey is a 13 hr flight? My Hawaii to London (Gatwick) was only 15. What the hell kind of flight are you on? And imo, the DS is nearly as bulky as the PSP. Mind you, if you just mean the PSP is bulky compared to the average mp3 player, then yep, no question about it there! No direct flight (at least mine isn't ) i don't have the tickets with me but we stop in europe some where first
London to Jersey is a 13 hr flight? My Hawaii to London (Gatwick) was only 15. What the hell kind of flight are you on? And imo, the DS is nearly as bulky as the PSP. Mind you, if you just mean the PSP is bulky compared to the average mp3 player, then yep, no question about it there! No direct flight (at least mine isn't ) i don't have the tickets with me but we stop in europe some where first
Btw my hawaii flight last year was 12 hours too but no stoping or switching .
No offense but that's a crappy flight! ;)
Oh and in terms of bulk, iPod + DS is much larger than just the PSP. Mind you, the iPod will kill the PSP as a mp3 player, but I think the PSP can hold it's own against the DS as a game player.
No offense but that's a crappy flight! ;)
Oh and in terms of bulk, iPod + DS is much larger than just the PSP. Mind you, the iPod will kill the PSP as a mp3 player, but I think the PSP can hold it's own against the DS as a game player.
I thought people were saying the PSP had better sound quality than the iPod...
london-boy
23-Dec-2004, 23:12
London to Jersey is a 13 hr flight? My Hawaii to London (Gatwick) was only 15. What the hell kind of flight are you on? And imo, the DS is nearly as bulky as the PSP. Mind you, if you just mean the PSP is bulky compared to the average mp3 player, then yep, no question about it there! No direct flight (at least mine isn't ) i don't have the tickets with me but we stop in europe some where first
No direct flight to London? My god...
joe emo
24-Dec-2004, 01:11
No offense but that's a crappy flight! ;)
Oh and in terms of bulk, iPod + DS is much larger than just the PSP. Mind you, the iPod will kill the PSP as a mp3 player, but I think the PSP can hold it's own against the DS as a game player.
I thought people were saying the PSP had better sound quality than the iPod...
that's a pretty difficult claim to qualify. Sound quality is subjective.
I think I could could chime in on this whole situation (DS/PSP) now. I'm a gadget crazy college student. I probably cary more gadgets than necessary (Ipaq, laptop, Ipod), but I just got a DS. I can't wait to get a PSP too. I've got some uber Swiss Army Knife backpack that has pouches for everything, and I could care less about size (the inspiron 8200 is a freakin' boat anchor). I got the DS because I've always wanted a GBA SP, to play original NES games, but the lure of some classic 64 titles on the DS was too much to pass up. I'm hoping the PSP lineup gets some more games though, cause right now, I'm fairly uninterested in what they've got. Hell, that doesn't matter much considering I can't one for a few months!
Of that list you got there, the part in bold is the only one i think it cant be reproduced with PSP. And so far i dont think is an important step ahead. And i suggested in the post that theres probably a place for DS.
Now compare the projects for both handhelds, i think PSP has more concrete ones, as for DS theres alot of anounced stuff that can make the shift to PSP, since the projects are not unvieled enough.
Of your quote there I bolded the key words that reveal just how subjective your point is. What you think and what I 'think' does'nt really matter. Other than the Mercury game utilising a tilt sensor (idea copied from Nintendo btw), I don't see any "concrete" original innovative games for PSP. Really good graphics yes but nothing that jumps out at me afa really cool game concepts and ideas. And no I don't think we'll see alot of great DS game ideas make the "shift" over to PSP. Does PSP have a microphone built in? No. There's supposed to be a headset peripheral planned to come out eventually. Wonder how many ppl will get that..and actually wear it? Every DS has the mic built in. That'll make a huge difference imo. Historically peripherals don't do all too well..and this becomes a larger unkown for a handheld. How many ppl did you ever see out in public playing GBA via link cables?
Now if I'm a publisher that has a game utilizing the DS touch, dual screen and mic features I'm not gonna even try to think abouit "shifting" it to PSP. The PSP version of the game will get an entirely different build of a game that uses the PSP's powerful graphics capabilites. Say if I'm EA making next years Madden for both systems. The PSP will feature stunning graphics and fmv. The DS will have (most likely) drawing your own plays. It'll probably include a mic feature that lets your actually call your own audibles aloud maybe. Now I'm not saying the PSP won't have this in it but it's use is limited to the number of ppl who have actually bought the PSP headsets. So by default from the very get go the DS has the built in microphone as as advantage. So by March 2005 near 4 million DS' have micrphones ready to use for your soon to be released game and the PSP will have what..maybe 150k-200k headsets?
Do you see? I can already sense the way this gen of handhelds is gonna go down afa gaming software releases? DS has theseveral bad ass features advantage. Dual Screens, Touch screen, microphone built in every unit. PSP has a bad ass screen display with excellent graphics capabilities advantage. While both share WiFi and wireless internet capabilites. Everyone can pretty much surmise that it'll break down like this:
PSP title = great graphics and Wifi networking
Same said title on DS = touch screen, dual screen, WiFi and microphone use (probably in that order).
Now I'm not necessarilly saying that PSP will have no microphone use. Believe me the thought of SOCOM PSP with the headsets makes me giddy. But unless there is one huge killer app that Sony includes the headsets boxed in with, I just don't see it being a feature that will get the attention like it will with DS. Simply cause of the built in mic feature of DS.
Doesn't the PSP have a USB port?
There are a lot of PS2 gamers with USB headsets.
I'm sure Sony and the other developers know the attach ratio of headsets to consoles/network adapters.
But online gaming and especially voice support is more of an American publisher/developer thing than a Japanese publisher/developer one.
We'll see.
Even if the headsets work, I don't see people carrying them around. They have really long wires and a little box with the DACs sitting between the USB and the headset. So it would be really cumbersome to carry around. Not to mention they would draw power out of the USB and from the battery.
I thought people were saying the PSP had better sound quality than the iPod...
Yes, for sound quality that is what I have read as well. But I doubt the difference in sound quality will make up for the advantage the average iPod has over the PSP in terms of portability and storage.
Goldni,
I agree with the heart of what you are saying especially with the argument about games have a better chance of utilizing new features if the features are built-in. No argument there. I do wonder about the example you choose though, the microphone. I'm curious to see, first of all, just how many games try to use it, and how well it actually works out.
I'm sure many of us use cellular phones with voice recognition but even then, I can tell you they are somewhat problematic. Then consider the fact that the microphone on the DS is many times farther away and just a tiny hole compared to the many tiny holes on your cell phone and it only compounds the difficulty.
I frankly don't know how many people would use a PSP with a headset but that doesn't seem to be that far fetched since it does double as a mp3 player. Which looks stranger to you? Someone with a headset talking into it or someone talking into a DS? I guess I'm more used to see headsets here in San Diego (considered the wireless capital ;) ).
overclocked
24-Dec-2004, 08:57
I haven´t read other threads about PSP and was just wondering about the batterylife when you play "normal" on the buss or in the bed etz?
cthellis42
24-Dec-2004, 10:44
I thought people were saying the PSP had better sound quality than the iPod...
I believe he means it from the "an iPod will hold 4-60GB of music (or photos now, for some) that you can easily and immediately sift through" standpoint (and in varying levels of more convenient size) whereas the PSP "will hold 4GB if you spend an extra $500 or so on memory sticks that you will have to sift through." :P :wink:
Now, if UMD were burnable that would change the situation (at least the storage/cost situation), but I don't see that happening unless it flops in all other manners they're hoping to use it for. Which means... not for a long time, considering how long they'll likely keep their hopes up. :P
I haven´t read other threads about PSP and was just wondering about the batterylife when you play "normal" on the buss or in the bed etz?
...what?
As has been established, it depends on what you're playing. High powered games? Probably 3-4 hours. Low-powered? Probably 5-6 hours. Movies? Probably 5-6 depending on source (UMD versus Memory Stick) but we haven't seen conclusive tests yet. Music? Screen off, about ten. Screen on? Probably back down to that 5-6 level again.
Of course "in the bed" you should have it on with an adaptor and not worry about it. ;)
Shifty Geezer
24-Dec-2004, 13:32
Doesn't the PSP have a USB port?
There are a lot of PS2 gamers with USB headsets.
The USB headsets for PS2 use full-sized connectors, whereas the PSP has a miniUSB connector.
The first announced title for PSP's headset is a translation programme (which Nintendo have subsequently announced they're working on. Both companies aren't averse to sharing ideas like tilt sensors...) which I can imagine being very desirable for holiday goers, depnding how implemented.
Personally I think voice recognition a lame idea. I don't want to be shouting at my handheld while on the train to play games, especially if the voice recognition is as hazy as on every other system. You shout Left, you go go Right, or Jump, or worse still the thing switches off!
What might be cool for music is if it had those visualizations like iTunes has. It would of course use up more battery to display that. But the PSP would have the horsepower to do it whereas the iPod wouldn't, if people would even want to see it ona 2 inch screen.
Evil_Cloud
24-Dec-2004, 17:00
Could you connect somehow USB Memory Sticks?
No offense but that's a crappy flight! ;)
Oh and in terms of bulk, iPod + DS is much larger than just the PSP. Mind you, the iPod will kill the PSP as a mp3 player, but I think the PSP can hold it's own against the DS as a game player.
75$ for the flight. So yea crappy , but also really , really cheap haha.
Yes the bulk would be bigger for the ipod +ds but only some of the time if i'm planing on using both.
If i'm just running around town doing errands the ipod is far less bulk than a psp and I can listen to it on my car stero or while walking and doing the errands. Playing games wont help during that since i'm either driving or running around doing stuff .
The ds is the same size as the psp but gets much better battery life .
My whole arguement is that if you are going to use the psp the marjority of the time for mp3 listening you are better served getting a dedicated mp3 player .
Then for long trips your best off with both an ipod and a ds as you will have alot longer play time .
SwedBear
25-Dec-2004, 00:25
FWIW - I've had my PSP for 1 week now. So far I've:
* Played Ridge Racer about 2 1/2 hours total
* Played Lumines about 3 1/2 hours (damn it's addictive)
* Watched 1 episode of Enterprise (40 minutes)
* Listened to 30-40 minutes of MP3
This was with middle brightness (I've seen people comparing this to the DS brightness) and headphones (medium volume).
This morning my battery finally ran out of juice while I was playing Ridge Racer. It told me it had to shut down while I was playing. After turning it off, charching it for 2 hours I turned it on and could continue to play on the exact same spot as where the battery ran out.
For my travels, which are with train to work including the tube and some walking, the PSP is great. True, it's a bit bulky but I ahve it in my backpack so it's easy to take out. I also can carry it in my inside-pocket of my jacket when I am listening to MP3 music.
The battery is small so carrying an extra batery with you really adds no weight (IMHO).
If you are traveling for a very long period without having access to a charger the batterytime obviously will be an issue but otherwise I really don't see any problems for 'normal' users. After this initial test where I wanted to let it run out of juice I will do the same as I do for my GBA SP or my Creative Zen Micro MP3 player; charge it whenever I'm home so it is always fully charged the next morning.
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if you want to get into batterys , i can carry a second ds battery with me and get 24 hours of battery life .
or i can most likely buy a third party battery and get even more life. After all i did that with my sp. I got a 12$ battery taht increased the life from 14 hours with back light to 18 hours with back light.
Yeah but you'll probably get tired of those DS games before you need to swap batteries.
Yeah but you'll probably get tired of those DS games before you need to swap batteries.
I dunno, mario 64 could probably keep me occupied for at least 30 hours, if not more. Or at least the originally kept me occupied for about 3 months straight averaging a few hours per day, and I didn't stop playing it for long long after. Probably only starcraft, fallout, goldeneye, final fantasy 7, and super smash bros melee can compare in the time I spent playing that...and probably the original pokemon games as well.
if you want to get into batterys , i can carry a second ds battery with me and get 24 hours of battery life .
or i can most likely buy a third party battery and get even more life. After all i did that with my sp. I got a 12$ battery taht increased the life from 14 hours with back light to 18 hours with back light.
Where did you find the 3rd party battery?
overclocked
25-Dec-2004, 02:28
cthellis42
...what?
As has been established, it depends on what you're playing. High powered games? Probably 3-4 hours. Low-powered? Probably 5-6 hours. Movies? Probably 5-6 depending on source (UMD versus Memory Stick) but we haven't seen conclusive tests yet. Music? Screen off, about ten. Screen on? Probably back down to that 5-6 level again.
Of course "in the bed" you should have it on with an adaptor and not worry about it.
Ok, i´m not in to handholds at all but the PSP seem´s to have grabbed me.
With Highpowered games i assume you mean Wipeout/RidgeRacer "type",
4 hours seem´s rather short dont you think? 6 hour´s sounds more attractive if you only going to play on it.
cthellis42
25-Dec-2004, 03:16
With Highpowered games i assume you mean Wipeout/RidgeRacer "type",
4 hours seem´s rather short dont you think? 6 hour´s sounds more attractive if you only going to play on it.
Yeah, I mean the ones that look the most visually impressive. ;) 2D gaming and other non-intense ones will probably play for a lot longer. Remember those numbers are also for max brightness, too. As SwedBear shows, even using medium seems to net you good results, and considering how bright the thing is even on its lowest setting... I'd like to see how the straight tests compare. (Go, IGN, go! :P )
I'd be fine with four hours regardless, as I almost never see myself playing for more than that stretch before being somewhere that I can plug it in. I fly or take long bus or train trips to very infrequently that I would be stupid to put it up on my list of "reasons to buy/not-buy" and if I'm not driving my car, no doubt I can just use a car charger to take care of any long trip needs. (I invariably would have some sitting around for portable CD players, or cell phones, etc. as well.) Any other time? Well, if it actually becomes a hassle, you just end up playing with the screen less bright. Or play a game I know lasts longer instead. Or any combination of things. ^_^
I also think battery lifespan is less important nowadays for another reason: it's all rechargable. With earlier portables it was much more of an issue, because battery lifespan told you how long it would be until you had to shell out more cash again, so getting ~2-4 hours was a bear if you had to re-buy 2-4 AA's to keep on truckin'. (And while rechargable AA's and the like were available back then, they started losing charge fairly quickly back then, as well as being more inconvenient to manage.) Now all running out of battery means is you have to plug it in somewhere for a couple hours to keep on going.
Regardless, I'm not actually a portable gamer, so my "reasons to buy/not-buy" comes down decidedly on a different front. Mainly "is it particularly cheap and yet cool?" and "are there a lot of random games I can pick up freeware-wise?" I don't really care about high-powered gaming if I'm putzing about on a train or waiting for someone to meet me at a restaurant... I just want something to keep me amused. On the DS and PSP front, that would mean them getting a decent helping of homebrew games, or otherwise I'll just stick to the PDA which I have many other uses for.
if you want to get into batterys , i can carry a second ds battery with me and get 24 hours of battery life .
Isn't the DS batter locked in so that you have to take a screwdriver or the like to it? That's the thing that will get in the way of most people instead of price. Gamers are notoriously lazy. ;)
Now all running out of battery means is you have to plug it in somewhere for a couple hours to keep on going.
Except don't these batteries have a finite number of recharge cycles? So the more frequently you have to recharge, the sooner you may have to buy a new battery?
Good thing it's user-replaceable. Hopefully a lot of third-batteries become available, as they did with digital camera batteries, where there is a big price difference between the camera maker brands and these 3rd-party brands.
But maybe Sony doesn't share the specs. without licenses. Then again, it's only a battery. It shouldn't be complicated like third-party memory cards which do not always work well.
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if you want to get into batterys , i can carry a second ds battery with me and get 24 hours of battery life .
Isn't the DS batter locked in so that you have to take a screwdriver or the like to it? That's the thing that will get in the way of most people instead of price. Gamers are notoriously lazy. the pelican i got for my gba sp had a thumb screw that replaced the screw . Took all of ten seconds to take off
cthellis42
25-Dec-2004, 08:00
the pelican i got for my gba sp had a thumb screw that replaced the screw . Took all of ten seconds to take off
I mean the DS. Unless there's a similar thumb-screwing from a third party available.
the pelican i got for my gba sp had a thumb screw that replaced the screw . Took all of ten seconds to take off
I mean the DS. Unless there's a similar thumb-screwing from a third party available.
Yea ds has a screw too , don't see it to hard to put a thumbscrew on it though.
but it will still last 12 hours with out wifi running. Which is what two psp batterys ?
cthellis42
25-Dec-2004, 08:45
Despite your comments I've still only seen people giving times of ~8 hours, as well as both my friends' DS's scoring that. As well, Nintendo gives 10 hours as the max time, so I don't automatically label them at 12 hours/8 wifi. Sadly, despite being available weeks longer to many more people, far less testing has been done--which I find peculiar. (Is there "so long as it gets more than 6 hours we don't care anymore" mindset out there? ;) )
As for the PSP, it will indeed take two batteries to run for a 12 hour block, but then I say "who in hell cares"? Twelve hours of solid gaming where you have NO access to plugging it in? That's got to account for a good 0.01% of the total amount of time people are likely to spend playing on their machine, barring being a co-pilot. ;) HORRORS!
I consider pushing the 4 hour block to 6 to be more important, since it's actually dealing in more reasonable blocks of time to go without being able to use an outlet. And that should be accomplishable by kicking down the brightness on even the more stressful games. (Though it might still only make 4 or so with wireless. Needs more specific testing! Hehe.) Which if we want to equalize things, actually puts it at about the DS's brightness level. (At least in every visual comparison I've seen around so far, as well as eyeballing it IRL. The only thing I haven't been able to do yet is compare them side by side. The PSP's luminescence might seem visually greater from the concentration of the larger screen.)
At 8-12 hours I no longer care, and most people never need it either. (But some are perfectly willing to use it as life-or-death reasons to fill the opinions they want to have.) The PSP would definitely need two batteries to pull it off, but anything under? You can probably get a good bit out of adjusting brightness or picking which games to play for the situation you'll be bereft of that frolicsome AC current.
And since we were already talking about 3rd party battery options, I imagine it won't too long before ones that are not hot-swap batteries emerge. Large capacity rechargables that just plug into the power slot and offer...? I guess we'll wait and see.
All the battery runtime in the world is not going to give the DS the ability to play a really good RR-like game.
All the battery runtime in the world is not going to give the DS the ability to play back movies with the same quality of the PSP.
All the battery runtime in the world is not going to give the DS the ability to play back mp3s with the same quality of the PSP.
Yes, battery run time IS important but mentioing this over and over is wasted on us because we got it the first time. Don't get it if it doesn't meet your needs. Others though, will be more than happy to get one even with the relatively short battery life.
Meanwhile no one should fault the DS for NOT playing high powered games, not playing movies or mp3s decently. It all comes down to needs/wants. For many, the DS is not powerful enough or have the games they want or the features. But we only need to hear that from them once. ;)
that's a pretty difficult claim to qualify. Sound quality is subjective.
I have an iPOD and there are some truth to the claim, volume isn't what it should be. But you can download tools that help that:
http://espen.se/?category=1
And then there is the basic "sound", which of course, mostly depends on the Ear Plugs you use, i have some nice ones with lots of bass:
http://www.i4u.com/section-viewarticle-45.html
Read about them here:
http://formen.ign.com/news/33649.html
(Note Sony haters can buy other brands that looks the same)
But i wouldn't say that the iPOD has an impressive sound, and it's somewhat difficult to find a EQ setting that suits me (evey EQ setting seem to make the sound clip), the Volume Boost does help though. Just a hassle having to run it everytime you copy new songs to the iPOD.
Except don't these batteries have a finite number of recharge cycles? So the more frequently you have to recharge, the sooner you may have to buy a new battery?
Tell me about it:
http://www.notebook-battery-for-less.com/
As for the PSP, it will indeed take two batteries to run for a 12 hour block
In some games yeah, in others it will take two batteries just to run for 6 hours, with wifi off!
For those saying the ds wont ever run movies that is not true. After all if the gba can play tv shows , the ds one day could run movies . But who cares right now.
Yes ds can never display graphics like rr but then again it can produce a game with much better game play .
Of course the ds is a true portable , one where I can go where ever i want and not have the thought of needing a new battery or not being able to paly because my battery went dead .
Just like people who travel 8 hours some where often wouldn't buy an mp3 player that got 4 hours battery life , people who travel far distances would never buy a psp for games .
Not to mention that people like my younger cousin who could often forget to plug his gba in for a few days and still be able to take it and play it on the car ride to my house , he wont be able to do that with a psp.
Guden Oden
25-Dec-2004, 18:25
Jesus fvckin' christ. how can you guys keep on bickering for seven god-damn pages about battery life? Haven't you repeated the same two arguments (PSP better gfx, DS longer life) enough times already?
FFS, give it a rest, you people are giving me a headache.
Jesus fvckin' christ. how can you guys keep on bickering for seven god-damn pages about battery life? Haven't you repeated the same two arguments (PSP better gfx, DS longer life) enough times already?
FFS, give it a rest, you people are giving me a headache. i think between us bitching with each other and u bitching about us bitching we can get at least another 4 pages.
Besides bitching with u guys is better than bitching with my family
Jesus fvckin' christ. how can you guys keep on bickering for seven god-damn pages about battery life? Haven't you repeated the same two arguments (PSP better gfx, DS longer life) enough times already?
FFS, give it a rest, you people are giving me a headache. i think between us bitching with each other and u bitching about us bitching we can get at least another 4 pages.
Besides bitching with u guys is better than bitching with my family
You bitch with your family about the battery life of handhelds? :shock:
all the time . Esp now , since we got 2 psps under the tree and they are argueing about who gets them haha
For those saying the ds wont ever run movies that is not true. After all if the gba can play tv shows , the ds one day could run movies . But who cares right now.
I said, with the same quality.
Yes ds can never display graphics like rr but then again it can produce a game with much better game play .
Very possible. But that's still a maybe. And "better game play" is up to the individual.
Of course the ds is a true portable , one where I can go where ever i want and not have the thought of needing a new battery or not being able to paly because my battery went dead .
So a true portable is defined by it's battery life? (What is this magic # btw?) It's well established that the PSP and DS are pretty similar in size so you can't mean size alone. I guess the original GB wasn't a portable. Or the Nomad, my NeoGeo pocket, Atari Lynx, etc.
Just like people who travel 8 hours some where often wouldn't buy an mp3 player that got 4 hours battery life , people who travel far distances would never buy a psp for games .
Don't say never. :) But yes, as I said before, get what suits you. If long battery life is important to you, then obviously the DS is a much stronger candidate. Of couse a pack of cards is better than the DS in this regard. ;)
this is what DCcharlie has to say on another forum:
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Battery Life update : Fully charged PSP , played 3 hours of Mingol with wireless on , full brightness, sound so just bearly audible with me serving to two other units. Followed by an hour of Puyo Puyo and an hour of Ridge and then watched 3 episodes of Monkey Dust (28 minutes each). The unit just gave out and died as my upload of Samurai Champloo finished. I'm sure mingol doesn't hammer the online mode, but still ... i'm impressed.
Puyo Puyo - supports wirless play, and the game can be switched from Japanese to English (with English voices as well as text)
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5hours plus!
since I don't plan to take a 12houre plane flight every 2days.. that's fine by me
:lol:
london-boy
26-Dec-2004, 02:10
all the time . Esp now , since we got 2 psps under the tree and they are argueing about who gets them haha
U like gorging urself on a huge juicy tasty fat burger with chips in front of starving children don't you.
cthellis42
26-Dec-2004, 03:05
all the time . Esp now , since we got 2 psps under the tree and they are argueing about who gets them haha
U like gorging urself on a huge juicy tasty fat burger with chips in front of starving children don't you.
Mmm... Fuddruckers...
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