Revolution = Xenon

[Johnny Awesome]

I have a sneaky suspicion that Revolution is in fact merely the Nintendo/MS alliance. MS will market and sell Xenon in the US/EU and Nintendo will market and sell Xenon in Asia. Each company will collect the royalties in their own territory and pay no royalties on their own software. MS will handle production and sell the units to Nintendo at cost. That's why you never hear any details about Revolution. It doesn't actually exist.

Just a crazy theory. :)

[Blade]

Half-Life 2 > Halo 2. Enough said.

[Johnny Awesome]

I'm not sure that is on-topic Blade.

It would be pretty cool to have Nintendo games on Xenon.

[hey69]

they could use the same chipset but with different accesoires .(read not compatible with each other)

[cthellis42]

Been said before, many times, and yet still the answer is "no." I don't think either company has real interest working with each other, they are still aiming in different direction, and they both have different "ultimate designs."

We'll see more chipset similarities this round than we're used to seeing, I suppose, but overall I don't think it will impact their business plans much.

I could, however, see them as leaving some doors open for potential cooperation if they start losing more ground to Sony rather than gaining.

[Farid]

Those statements made by Satoru Iwata might answer a few of your interrogations Johnny:
"When it comes to the philosophy of making hardware, our philosophy is completely different than the direction Microsoft is taking," says Iwata.

"I think they are simply looking toward beefed up technology for the next-generation console. And from the developers' and programmers' point of view, that kind of machine will be very difficult to work with. In the end, there will not be a sufficient reward in exchange for the hardships they will need to endure.

"That should create an opportunity for Nintendo because we are trying to make unique hardware -- not just a beefed-up version of GameCube, but something that will be easy to program. In the long run, that will make game development on our new system more profitable."
Link (http://www.gamespy.com/articles/505/505234p1.html)

[Megadrive1988]

Johnny Awesome: Revolution = Xenon

BS


http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1220430,00.asp


Don't expect the graphics capabilities of future Nintendo and Microsoft products to be exactly the same, however, the ATI spokesman said. "Yes, we have different design teams working on them, with different requirements and different timetables,"

[ChryZ]

Just a crazy theory. :)
Indeed.

[Tysan]

What might be interesting is ease of portability between Xenon and Revolution, with both being IBM/ATI platforms maybe doing multiplatform titles on both could be cheap for developers.

[Farid]

What might be interesting is ease of portability between Xenon and Revolution, with both being IBM/ATI platforms maybe doing multiplatform titles on both could be cheap for developers.
They would still have to use middleware solutions, which mean they could also do a port to PS3, in the same way.
I'm implying that multiplatform games would have to use a middleware solution, since i don't see developers hacking, completely, through the 3 architectures to port their games, 90% of them don't do it today, they won't do it tomorrow with more complex machines.
OTOH if XNA is available to the revolution, Xenon/Revolution port might indeed be simplified. But, personally, i don't expect a lot of Xenon games to be ported to revolution, and not to the PS3.

By the way, the CPU solution for the Revolution is still a complete mystery.

[XavierS]

There might be a problem porting between Xenon and the Revolution if the Nintendo console is a true Revolution. If it does have a novel interface or input device developers might have a lot to change to get it on the Xenon; sorta of like porting from the DS to the PSP. :shock:

This might be sorta OT, but does anybody think it would be a "good thing" if all the companies worked off of the same console or at least specs. I think it was in an interview of someone at Microsoft talking about XNA, I'll try to find it, that they said they wanted the console business to work like the DVD player business. All DVD players play DVDs but some have unique features, inputs/outputs, etc. I know it would never happen anytime soon it is an interesting idea.
It would really make it all about the games for one thing. And gamers wouldn't be stuck on one console as they could buy games from Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft and they would all work in their machine. I guess the downside would be less powerful hardware since there is less competition. And of course the loss of threads declaring one machine better than the others :lol: . So, does anyone think a common spec would be a good thing?

[TheMightyPuck]

Hardware is becoming increasingly irrelevant in relation to the software that runs on it. This will continue. There won't be anything next gen a ps3 can do that a xenon can't and vice versa. It will all come down to branding, marketing, and software.

[Blade]

It's not on topic, Johnny, but you can't comment on it? Come on now!

[V3]

I would rather have several different consoles on the market, rather than several that's roughly the same :)

[GwymWeepa]

This might be sorta OT, but does anybody think it would be a "good thing" if all the companies worked off of the same console or at least specs. I think it was in an interview of someone at Microsoft talking about XNA, I'll try to find it, that they said they wanted the console business to work like the DVD player business. All DVD players play DVDs but some have unique features, inputs/outputs, etc. I know it would never happen anytime soon it is an interesting idea.
It would really make it all about the games for one thing. And gamers wouldn't be stuck on one console as they could buy games from Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft and they would all work in their machine. I guess the downside would be less powerful hardware since there is less competition. And of course the loss of threads declaring one machine better than the others :lol: . So, does anyone think a common spec would be a good thing?

When graphics have become photo-realistic and there is absolutely no difference in performance from one chipset to another, I expect the major console players to create a consortium and make console gaming very similar to the dvd market...pretty much identical innards playing identical products but with subtle differences in the secondary functions of each machine (more feature on some machines than others).

[rabidrabbit]

Next gen graphics will not be "photorealistic", far from it.
Next gen graphics will have visible differences between ceonsole platforms, you just cant tell them from screenshots like you can't now between PS2, GameCube and xbox :)
Edit: added " " to photorealism, to avoid this thread turning into "what is photorealism" argument ;)

[GwymWeepa]

Next gen graphics will not be photorealistic, far from it.
Next gen graphics will have visible differences between ceonsole platforms, you just cant tell them from screenshots like you can't now between PS2, GameCube and xbox :)

Well, I don't expect photo-realism for at least 2 generations.

[Megadrive1988]

I don't expect photorealizm until maybe Playstation 7. lol

[Teasy]

Johnny

So based on absolutely no information you believe Nintendo will stop making there own consoles. Instead you think they will buy a console from a company who failed to outsell them this gen while losing billions? A console which will likely lose Nintendo money hand over fist (since its from MS). A console they have no control over and are only allowed to sell in Japan (a country where the last XBox failed to an unbelievable degree). Which means they instantly remove the profits they get from the majority of there market (U.S and Europe). That's if they manage to make any profit at all selling a MS designed console.... They'll do all this for what exactly?, where is the logic in this "suspicion"?

Quite frankly this thread should be locked. Not just because this is such an insane idea, but because its such an old and overused idea as well. This was being said by certain people here ages ago.. there was no sense in it then and nothing has changed. This thread is pointless.

[rabidrabbit]

There's no logic... just hope, and desperation :cry:

[Li Mu Bai]

Hardware is becoming increasingly irrelevant in relation to the software that runs on it. This will continue. There won't be anything next gen a ps3 can do that a xenon can't and vice versa. It will all come down to branding, marketing, and software.

This man speaks the truth. Feature sets available for all 3 platforms will be nigh identical. Although I see Revolution trying to accomplish architecturally what XNA is doing commercially. Refining & building upon the GC's efficient design.

[rabidrabbit]

Feature sets, yes... possibly.
But that doesn't necessarily mean all three will be able to use those features at the same speed.

[PC-Engine]

According to one of my sources, the codename for the cpu in Revolution is Tarantula...ie it will have 8 something.

[rabidrabbit]

8 controller ports?
Can connect with up to 8 DS's
an "EyeToy" type control device with 8 lenses?
8 sound channels?
a "Tarantula" controller that you put on your head that reads brainwaves?
8 pipelines in graphics processor?
8 "Vector/FPU/whatever" processors assisting the central CPU
.
.
.
Then again, GCN had the codename "Dolphin", and in the end GameCube didn't have fins, didn't squeak, didn't swim or rescue people who had fallen in the sea.
But the GameCube's purple colour is a little bit "dolphiny"
...so the revolution will be brown?

Edit: Oh, so the Tarantula is the codename for the CPU :oops:

[london-boy]

According to one of my sources, the codename for the cpu in Revolution is Tarantula...ie it will have 8 something.

It will have 8 games based on Mario. In the first month. 4 will be launch games.

j/k

[PC-Engine]

It will rip CELL 8 new ones...

[london-boy]

It will rip CELL 8 new ones...

Btu tahts unpossable!!!11!1!! :twisted:

[PC-Engine]

:P

[rabidrabbit]

That's quite possible.
Just because there has been much more talk concerning "Cell" than there has been of Nintendo's next tech, doesn't mean there can not be other companies developing chips that meet or even exceed what "Cell" has to offer.

GameCube is a suprisingly powerful piece of kit.
In my eyes it looks to be even more powerful than xbox, even though the official specs would say otherwise.
GC has muliplatform titles that are weaker than xbox, but that could be because of effort put into them.

But if you look at many of the exclusive titles especially Metroids and RE4.
Compare Metroid to Halo2.... Metroid is far more visually and technically impresive than Halo2, which is supposedly using the xbox resources close to max.

If Sony is aiming for a convergence device with "Cell" designed aroud it, that might give the designer(s) of Nintendos next chip(s) some advantage if Nintendo stay in its "gaming only" road.

[Kalin]

Hardware is becoming increasingly irrelevant in relation to the software that runs on it. This will continue. There won't be anything next gen a ps3 can do that a xenon can't and vice versa. It will all come down to branding, marketing, and software.

This man speaks the truth. Feature sets available for all 3 platforms will be nigh identical. Although I see Revolution trying to accomplish architecturally what XNA is doing commercially. Refining & building upon the GC's efficient design.

If this is all about Revolution I will be highly disappointed. I suspect porting Revolution titles to PS3 will be just as easy as porting DS titles to PSP.

[Readykilowatt]

I have a sneaky suspicion that Revolution is in fact merely the Nintendo/MS alliance. MS will market and sell Xenon in the US/EU and Nintendo will market and sell Xenon in Asia. Each company will collect the royalties in their own territory and pay no royalties on their own software. MS will handle production and sell the units to Nintendo at cost.

What in the world!?!? :lol:

That's why you never hear any details about Revolution.

You don't hear any details about the Revolution because (1) It's nowhere near complete and (2) Nintendo is very secretive.

It doesn't actually exist.

:lol:

I believe that you don't want it to exist, but the Revolution is coming. :D

Just a crazy theory.

I agree.

[Evil_Cloud]

Why the hell would Nintendo lower themselves to sell just one console in... Asia?

They're the ones that are making the profit.
They're the ones that are on top of Xbox.

[london-boy]

Why the hell would Nintendo lower themselves to sell just one console in... Asia?

They're the ones that are making the profit.
They're the ones that are on top of Xbox.

Arguably.

But this whole crazy theory is just that, a crazy theory.

[Evil_Cloud]

Why the hell would Nintendo lower themselves to sell just one console in... Asia?

They're the ones that are making the profit.
They're the ones that are on top of Xbox.

Arguably.

But this whole crazy theory is just that, a crazy theory.

N/O, but more like someone with a brain tumor talking. :lol:

Or should I say brain tumors, this MS/N conspiracy has been repeated years on end, it's really getting boring...

[london-boy]

Why the hell would Nintendo lower themselves to sell just one console in... Asia?

They're the ones that are making the profit.
They're the ones that are on top of Xbox.

Arguably.

But this whole crazy theory is just that, a crazy theory.

N/O, but more like someone with a brain tumor talking. :lol:

Or should I say brain tumors, this MS/N conspiracy has been repeated years on end, it's really getting boring...

People always seem to think that just because MS has a bit of cash on the side, they will end up buying everyone. Even you and me.

[rabidrabbit]

So this is Nintendo's Tarantula:
http://img109.exs.cx/img109/9033/tarantula8ij.jpg
and this is "Cell"
http://img131.exs.cx/img131/411/cell3yk.jpg

Please note, that these images are not from any patent.

So if "Tarantula" means that it has 8 co-processors, to be reminiscent of a "tarantula", it would need 8 legs, but the "co-processors" or "APU's" or whatever they'll be named are not connected with each other, as is the case with "Cell" (lower img.)

[london-boy]

:shock: You have WAY too much time in your hands............... :twisted:

[jvd]

Bah it has 8 earth simulators each one at 2.1 jigaflops .

[PC-Engine]

Crazy funny. :lol: :shock:

[Evil_Cloud]

But I thought PS4 contained the Matrix!

;)

[london-boy]

But I thought PS4 contained the Matrix!

;)


The Matrix has you.

What is the Matrix?

Follow the white rabbit. No, not rabidrabbit, although he'd love that. The white rabbit.

[Tysan]

Hahaha good drawings :)

Hey! Cpu+8 coprocesors + ATI kick ass GPU would do fine for me.

GameCube is a suprisingly powerful piece of kit.
In my eyes it looks to be even more powerful than xbox, even though the official specs would say otherwise.
GC has muliplatform titles that are weaker than xbox, but that could be because of effort put into them.

Taking in account GC lower clockspeeds 485/162 vs. 733/233 and memory 24 Main+16 Mb vs. 64 Mb I would say that GC hardware really kick ass from a efficiency point of view, a hipotetical 733/233 64 Mb GameCube woud probably have floored Xbox performance wise...

[PC-Engine]

Agreed as an extra $100 would've afforded them more memory etc. :)

[london-boy]

Agreed as an extra $100 would've afforded them more memory etc. :)

$100 more per system would have given them a very very nice system all round, not only more RAM.

[Phil]

Please note, that these images are not from any patent.

:lol: Cheers, you made my day :lol:

[london-boy]

In light of recent architectural changes, We have decided to rename the Broadband Engine, the...
Swizzley Wizzley BRRRLRLRLHWUAH Engine.

[ChryZ]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20547[/URL]]How Nintendo boss silenced Steve Ballmer

Balls in the other court

By Nick Farrell: Thursday 06 January 2005, 09:10
NOW HE IS safely retired, the 77-year old former Nintendo boss Hiroshi Yamaushi is regaling Wired magazine about how he reverted to abuse to silence the mighty Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer.

Apparently Microsoft was making a bid to buy Nintendo for absolutely huge amounts of money. Vole was confident that Nintendo would take it. The Game Cube wasn't doing particularly well at the time and there was a lot of money involved. Ballmer himself showed up at the negotiations to have a quiet word.

However Yamaushi didn't like the deal, which he saw as a loss on a level similar to World War Two. He said he ranted a bit about Japanese values and identity but it went no-where. So in the end he said in Japanese "suck my yellow balls Mr Ballmer".

The translator looked embarrassed and was clearly not translating the phrase exactly, although Ballmer did smile at a sentence that included the word 'yellow' in it.

Frustrated Yamaushi stood on a chair, put his hands around his mouth and very slowly and in English said: "Hey Ballmer why don't you suck my tiny yellow balls."

He said Ballmer and team were speechless. They were as scandalised as if he had shown them a nipple at the Superbowl, he said.

It is nice to know that high powered board room meetings involving billions of dollars use the same language and methodology of a Kave piss-up. A copy of the interview can be found here but is probably illegal so you should buy a copy of the February issue of Wired.

Yeah, yeah, its the theinquirer ... IMO still quite amusing, even though its likely not to be true.

[london-boy]

When you thought TheInq couldn't get any worse.....

[hey69]

omg they are quoting a fake interview now?

[london-boy]

A copy of the interview can be found here but is probably illegal so you should buy a copy of the February issue of Wired.


Errrr...

[GameCat]

They quoted a FAKE interview? Dear god this is too good for words!